Why are we comparing consoles to macOS anyways? Shouldn't these comparisons be against nearest spec PCs?
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I mean we are comparing more expensive Apple computers to less expensive consoles (which doesn't make any sense to me, but here we are). From a PC comparision that this thread started out with, that feels like goal post moving (and I know @Homy didn't start the move it was @mi7chy).Folks will feel threaten when their perceived supremacy are challenged and will try all sorts of argument, including goalpost moving, to prove supremacy.
I'm just glad that more and more games are released for macOS and Apple is trying to make games developments easier and better for macOS. So what if the games' graphics are not true 4K. What's most important is that we enjoy playing it.
I'm not much of a gamer myself, but the conclusion of WWDC 23 bodes well for macOS in terms of game development.
I suspect the goalpost couldn't be moved much more as macOS evolve, albeit slowly.
You forgot the /s again.
The Xbox comparison because it's $500 and more capable and surely someone will complain that it's not fair an even more capable PC costs as much as M1 Macbook Air.
This post shows the RT differences.
Such a shame then that ray tracing in RE Village on Xbox will be pretty useless for some people since it can only run at 30-45 fps on Series S/X while 60 fps is the bare minimum. On Macs it's understandable since HW ray tracing doesn't even exists but imagine having that on Xbox/PS5 and not being able to enjoy it.
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Yes, but I don't think the $500 XBox has a battery in it, or a monitor.
Plus, if that's the same silly screenshot as before, where she's across the room, then it's PROBABLY not important that you can read the fine print on a bottle of wine from 3 metres away.
What does CAPCOM state for frame rates for the $500 Xbox Series X?
https://www.residentevil.com/village/us/
https://www.residentevil.com/village/us/
Or a keyboard with trackpad. Let’s not forget that Macbook is a multipurpose device and computer, a thin laptop, not just a gaming device.
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And as they are developers and publishers of RE8, I see no reason to doubt them.
Well, I might doubt the Stadia one. That's kinda dead.
But... I don't seem to recall doubting that RE8 could be played on an XBox Series S?
I'm just saying that you can't exactly compare a laptop to a console.
You see, the XBox Series S does not have this thing called a BATTERY. That means, if the XBox Series S is disconnected from a wall, or generator, or plasma powered horse, it turns off due to lack of power.
The laptop has a thing called a BATTERY. That means if the laptop is disconnected from a wall, or generator, or plasma powered horse, it stays on for as long as the BATTERY has stored charge.
Tiny correction: software Ray Tracing has been working since Metal 2. What we lack is the hardware component of it,, and games to take advantage of it.
That is part of why I am dissapointed with Layers of Fear. They used Lumen which 100% has a software render for RT (it is used in fortnite) that macOS should work fine. Yet it isn't enabled...
When you do nothing with your computers but game and run Blender benchmarks, anything that actually benefits productivity is irrelevant.
When you do nothing with your computers but game and run Blender benchmarks, anything that actually benefits productivity is irrelevant.
Lol, and when they compare everything from consoles to 4090 with M1 which must always do at least 60 fps and HW RT, something that not even Xbox/PS5 can manage. 😄
Great! Now we can all ditch our Macbooks and take a Xbox with external keyboard, mouse and monitor in a 20-pound backpack to work or school on buses and trains to do some amazing productivity works in Word and Excel, if we find a power outlet and big enough table.
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So…are you accepting that the comparison of a slim laptop to a tethered console was incorrect?What's the excuse now?
All debunked: too heavy, no battery, can't do 1080p 60fps, no keyboard, no touchpad, can't run productivity, blah blah...
Also you seem unaware of the meaning of the word “debunked”. If anything you totally bunked the comparison.
What an absurd discussion and it gets worse every time. Looks as if you now have to wait some time for any answer.
Good luck to those people using productivity apps like Adobe Creative Suite on a gaming device with 7” 800/1200p screen and a joystick as mouse or their fingers on touchscreen. It can do 1200p with lower quality in games. Apparently you can connect an external monitor but with the same low resolution. It uses a Radeon 680M which can do 3.38 TFLOPS which is more than M1’s 2.6 and about the same as M2’s 3.6 but it performs equally in RE Village. 55-60 fps in performance mode and down to 36 fps in quality mode. That’s what you get on M1/M2 with MetalFX Performance/Quality at 1080p. For someone complaining about the quality of MetalFX and demanding 60 fps on M1 it sounds like a huge compromise. It suffers from poor battery life, as low as about an hour (in Control), crashes and other glitches. It’s not cheap either, $1099 with so many disadvantages compared with MBA for $1399 with 16/512GB.
The still image is showing Aya Neo Slide which isn’t even released. It will be fun to use that tiny keyboard for Office productivity and writing lots of words and numbers. Ayaneo 2 hasn’t any built-in keyboard.
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The still is of the GPD Win 4. It's on the Indiegogo page.
The model with the 6800U is $900 USD and nets you 16GB RAM and 1TB storage. That is cheap when an equivalent specced MacBook is $1600 (remember Apple asks $400 just to jump to 1TB) and you'd need to spend $50-60 extra to get a decent controller or mouse to play with. Also RE8 is just more expensive on Mac, so you'd spend almost double on the MBA.
Fortunately you can easily dock a device like it and even better it can run two native 4K external displays and it supports MST so 3 external displays is easy to do even. No need for CPU hogging expensive displaylink! So at a desk docked it should be an even better productivity device han the MBA.
It's also lighter and smaller. An even more portable machine.
Misleading video then cause the title says Ayaneo 2. I didn’t even know ”GPD Win 4” was a device name. Now that I check again the title includes the name of almost every gaming device. I was right though about Ayaneo not having a keyboard. As for everything else I said about that tiny keyboard it’s still true. Here are two images showing how small and impractical it is for normal usage like on a laptop. The keyboard is as good as a virtual keyboard on smartphones.
Still a bizarre comparison where people seem to only look at specs and forget the bigger picture and user experience in other normal cases. You can’t replace a laptop with a handheld gaming device. That device is not much better than Xbox in the previous discussion. Can it run macOS? Can it be integrated in Apples ecosystem? That’s the most important question for Mac users and the answer is no. You don’t buy a system for its parts but for how well it can match your needs. Even if we look at the specs you said it yourself. At best it’s usable at a desk connected to peripherals. M1 and especially M2 is already faster than 6800U and 680M in Geekbench, 3D Wildlife Extreme and GFXBench. Even then the performance in Resident Evil is not superior to M1/M2 as I wrote before.
It doesn’t matter it’s lighter and smaller when it’s useless for anything other than gaming without peripherals. How are people supposed to use it for productivity, studies or other normal tasks with a 6” monitor and a tiny keyboard on trains or buses, on vacation or business trips or even at home when you want to work or relax anywhere but behind your desk? There are many reasons why people buy and use laptops instead of handheld gaming devices.
If it’s even better than a MacBook which many PC users have switched to I look forward to see your own switch to GPD Win4 from your PC laptop and a review here. Have you even used it yourself before recommending it to Mac users? How come I can’t find a single video or review about using anything but games on the device then if it’s such a good handheld PC for every need? No Adobe Creative Suite, no video editing with Davinci Resolve or Premiere, no Photoshop or Lightroom! You’re welcome to post if you find any.
If it was so good I’m sure we would see all the employees at Google, IBM and Apple line up to ditch their MacBooks for this device. I’m sure many writers would also love to try writing their books and scripts on a tiny screen and keyboard on the go.
Finally if you’re so concerned about the costs you can always buy a pocket-size 1TB SSD for $70 on Amazon instead of paying $400 extra. You would also need to buy a mouse and keyboard for GPD Win4 to be able to use it as a desktop PC since you assume Mac users don’t have mouse/controller. You’re right about RE Village costing $10 more on Mac but for us that’s just lunch money. At least that’s cheaper than buying a web camera for the gaming device. Also take a look at the display quality.
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Oh it's too portable now eh? You can get those parts in a laptop too. Acer has one with a 16" 4K OLED screen with 100% DCI-P3 coverage and 16GB RAM with 1TB SSD for $1080 on Amazon. But I'm sure that's TOO big, the color space coverage TOO good and there's not enough fruit logos on it or something.
Having had a MBP with a 256GB SSD and needing to carry around necessary files on a Samsung T5, no thanks. That's clunky and annoying. Apple either needs to stop being tightwads when it comes to storage or use M.2 slots like everyone else before I remotely consider them again.
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Having had a MBP with a 256GB SSD and needing to carry around necessary files on a Samsung T5, no thanks. That's clunky and annoying. Apple either needs to stop being tightwads when it comes to storage or use M.2 slots like everyone else before I remotely consider them again.
Oh it's too portable now eh? You can get those parts in a laptop too. Acer has one with a 16" 4K OLED screen with 100% DCI-P3 coverage and 16GB RAM with 1TB SSD for $1080 on Amazon. But I'm sure that's TOO big, the color space coverage TOO good and there's not enough fruit logos on it or something.
Acer 2023 Newest Swift Edge 16" 4K OLED Laptop, Ultra Thin and Light, AMD Ryzen 7 6800U(Up to 4.7GHz), 16GB LPDDR5 RAM, 1TB NVMe SSD, Backlit Keys, Fingerprint, WiFi 6, HDMI, Win 11, CUE Accessories
The Design: The sleek and stunning Swift Edge 16 is made with an alloy that’s 20% lighter and 2x as strong as normal aluminum. Giving you a 12.95mm thin & 1.17kg1 light ultra-portable laptop to accompany you on your nomadic ventures.Processor: AMD Ryzen 7 6800U, Octa-Core, 16 Threads, 2.7GHz Base...www.amazon.com
Having had a MBP with a 256GB SSD and needing to carry around necessary files on a Samsung T5, no thanks. That's clunky and annoying. Apple either needs to stop being tightwads when it comes to storage or use M.2 slots like everyone else before I remotely consider them again.
Too portable?? Was that all you got from my post? Can’t see anywhere I made such a remark. I talked about real user cases. It’s useless for anything but gaming while being portable. This is comedy gold. First you guys try to convince us it’s better to carry around a 20-pound backpack with a Xbox, external keyboard, mouse and monitor to work or school for some amazing productivity in Word and Excel instead of using MacBooks. Then you try to convince us a handheld gaming device with useless screen and keyboard for anything but gaming is even better for every need. Then when all that starts to sound too ridiculous we’re back to business as usual comparing PC laptops with MacBooks? Well according to the forum rules that’s the very definition of rule 6 and 7 ”hoaxes” and ”trolling” and we saw how that ended, for the third or fourth time now.
You still don’t write if you’ve had a GPD Win 4 and used it for anything other than gaming or why you don’t ditch your PC laptop for such a device. That Acer is still not faster than M1 or M2 and in fact slower in many cases as said before because it has the same 6800U with 680M so there’s no reason for Mac users to switch to that. It’s bigger and thicker than MBA so it wouldn’t be more portable and it lacks macOS above all. It has Win Home so it would cost another $100 dollar to upgrade to Win Pro. The battery time is much shorter too, only about 7 hours of web surfing compared to 16 hours on MBA M1. It’s noisier too.
Look, I don’t care which devices or systems people choose for their needs whether it’s a Mac, PC, tablet, phone, console or handheld gaming device but I’m not the one here trying really hard to the point of absurdity to convince people they should replace their laptops with gaming devices just to prove ”Macs are bad. Everything else is good.” You shouldn’t do that either instead of going in someone else’s footsteps.
I mean, you’re comparing things that are radically different from the MacBook they’re compared to, and you’re thinking you’ve discovered a huge “gotcha”. Dude, compare a MacBook to a thin light pc laptop with great battery life and no one will complain.
The comparisons listed (Xbox and GPD 4) are silly because they are desperate searches for things that can beat a MacBook on a specific task (gaming), while glossing over the ways they are substantially different.
Do you really believe an Xbox or a GPD 4 is a competitor to a MacBook Air? Do you want to be like the person who shall not be named when they compared a MacBook Air to a desktop with a 5950x and a 6800, and called it “El Cheapo”. That person is a laughing stock.
If you had read the previous posts (which you obviously have) you would see that Xbox was not used for comparison only in gaming just as GPD Win 4 wasn’t only used for gaming comparison. Both were suggested to be able to fulfill every other need normally done by a laptop. Even speaking only of gaming as said before Xbox is 5-6 times more powerful and has RT. It doesn’t require a genius to understand a comparison between that and M1 is just beyond any logic. As for GPD Win 4 and that Acer laptop as you could (but don’t want to) see there are no performance advantages compared to M1/M2. It’s sad to see you continue down that path.
Just do your web browsing and office productivity in Edge on your XBox bro!