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Intelligence Program Gives US Government Direct Access to Customer Data on Apple Servers [Update: Apple Denies]
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This isn't partisan .Both parties voted for this stuff by 99 %.
Any republican that complains is a hypocrite .
I blame both parties. President Obama and President Bush.
Yeah right! I do not believe their denial but that does not make me like Apple less. It is the government, they cannot say no
The denial doesn't really deny anything.
"We have never heard of PRISM. We do not provide any government agency with direct access to our servers, and any government agency requesting customer data must get a court order."
If the NSA called the program something else , had a secret FISA court order and Apple provided a website instead of direct server access then the denial is still 100% accurate.
You can always say no to the government, you just need to be willing to deal with the consequences. When Bush was doing warrant less wiretaps one of the tescos said no and told the NSA to get a court order. There is a certain amount of protection from overt punishment since the whole thing is secret. Still a lot easier for companies to just toe the line , especially when everyone else is.
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"and indicating that any data collection is limited to non-U.S. citizens located outside of the United States."
Oh, that's alright then.
/sarcasm.
Oh, that's alright then.
/sarcasm.
Wont make a scrap of difference when its added. Both iOS and OS X have always called home, and very regularly. Run Little Snitch on your mac and disable reporting - you'll be surprised to see that you mac still connects up to Apple servers several times an hour.
Does anybody really believe the government is only collecting information on non-citizens? Why the **** at this juncture should we take the NSA's word on anything?
Well said, and what's even worse is that they act all innocent about it and make it out that they are the victims.
Then they make stupid laws like these and enforce them on everyone, even if it's people out of their jurisdiction - Oh yeah, sorry, I forgot, those people who they are monitoring must be "threats" to the country.
They still go on about 9/11, yes it was tragic and many people were killed but there is thousands upon thousands of innocent people, whether they be man, woman or child, being killed, injured or hurt by famines, disease or warlords in Africa, in sweatshops in India, China and in developing countries or by the floods that are happening in Europe. Remember, all this is happening RIGHT NOW not 12 years ago.
I have a hard time believing the US Gov would really care about what I write to facebook or what I see on youtube.
So, to the person reading spying this post to MR from your spy (hopefully) Mac, have a nice day!
So, to the person reading spying this post to MR from your spy (hopefully) Mac, have a nice day!
Obama oversaw the expansion of the program? How do you know that? No, you do not know that one bit. This is a top secret program and you have NO IDEA WHATSOEVER what Bush was doing with the information and NO IDEA WHATSOEVER what Obama is doing with it. And not one news story or government person has said anything about the program being expanded or not expanded. You only "think" its expanded because you are just hearing about it now. You cannot just make up accusations to fit your political view.
Give up trying to be the worlds policeman and trying to enforce western 'values' on others and there might be less terrorism in the first place. 9/11 was simply a response to US foreign policy. Simples.
Personally, I think this is an overreaction. There are millions of phone calls, millions of pieces of data being analyzed and most likely, its in the form of traffic analysis and not actually listening in on everybody which, given the millions of people and only a few hundred or thousand analysts, would be impossible.
Traffic analysis is used when you do not have code keys or otherwise cannot read the actual data. Done by computer now, it looks for patterns in communication that might be deemed suspicious. If suspicious patterns are found, the computers look for key words in the information, e.g., "bomb" or whatever, then they zero in on that traffic pattern. If it still scores "high", then an analyst, finally, might listen in.
I'm not giving an opinion to whether this is something we should be doing or not, but I also think its safe to say no one is listening in on you talking to your wife or grandma.
Traffic analysis is used when you do not have code keys or otherwise cannot read the actual data. Done by computer now, it looks for patterns in communication that might be deemed suspicious. If suspicious patterns are found, the computers look for key words in the information, e.g., "bomb" or whatever, then they zero in on that traffic pattern. If it still scores "high", then an analyst, finally, might listen in.
I'm not giving an opinion to whether this is something we should be doing or not, but I also think its safe to say no one is listening in on you talking to your wife or grandma.
Its very possible that the NSA has a profile on pretty much every American and foreign national that have interacted with the US in anyway. I think this may just be the tip of the iceberg, it sounds like another good reason to switch to Linux, who knows what backdoors Microsoft and apple are giving the government.
Apple says the government doesn't have direct access to their servers, but they don't need direct access when Apple provides them with whatever they want.
Apple says the government doesn't have direct access to their servers, but they don't need direct access when Apple provides them with whatever they want.
LOL. Except hat the word "bomb" wouldn't be enough to attract their attention. I would have to match a certain traffic pattern too, e.g., be on a "radical" website or something like that. So, the Feds still wouldn't be reading my messages.
HAHAHA Now you say that...
http://blogs.computerworld.com/1813...s_hunting_for_terrorists_in_world_of_warcraft
Switch to Linux, Ha!
Even with Linux being open source and all the code "can" be peer reviewed. The people I know that code for a living and compile their own kernels and run distos like Gentoo when I ask how much of the code they have personally audited the answer is anywhere 1 to 5%. Not to mention all the other things they use like closed source video drivers.
Unfortunately, since computers much of the work, the feds will sometimes get wrong conclusions and bad analysis. Again, I am not defending the program and I would lean towards the side of "the gube'ment" NOT doing this, but I don't consider this to be the worst threat to our freedom. I'm more concerned about some of the draconian laws that states have been enacting in recent years.
LMAO!
oh my God, I don't know if you did this on purpose or not, but man, thanks for making my morning! I love how we shove the gun discussion in... anything really! I am so happy for you that your gun is protecting your privacy against your iPhone
can't.stop.laughing!
LMAO!
I am so happy for you that your gun is protecting your privacy against your iPhone
Meanwhile, the government has the US Army, with tanks and the USAF with F-16's, and there is Goober, holding off the oncoming massive assault with a few AK's. Yeah. That'll work.
I don't know about you, but I keep my homegrown software code in my doomsday bunker in North Dakota.
Well after that post you are going to have to move it.
