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Mlrollin91

macrumors G5
Nov 20, 2008
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Just try to remember, how many devices we had on IOS 6 and how many we have today on ios 10......

Not only that but iOS is way more complex now. iOS 7 was a completely new UI but iOS 8/9 completely rebuilt behind the scenes. You have the switch to Swift and Metal. That transition takes time and will be buggy.
 
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AeroZ

macrumors 6502a
Aug 7, 2013
676
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Estonia
I have open reports to Apple from 10.0 beta 1 that still haven't been fixed. Reporting to Apple is no guarantee they're actually going to do something about it. The QC on their software has flat out gone down the toilet since iOS 7. It just has. iOS 6 and below didn't have a public beta program and didn't need 3-4 .x releases to get it right. It was mostly good in the X.0 release and then there was an X.1 release a few months later to iron out the remaining bugs.

I was willing to give Cook and company a pass with iOS 7 because they basically threw out the entire OS and started over. iOS 7 was a buggy sack of crap (especially on iPad). But so was OSX 10.0, which was really the last time Apple did a complete UI overhaul. So, I kind of expected it and let it go. But we are now 4 years on and with iOS 10, the amount of bugs remaining in the OS at public release time is just flat out unacceptable. Hell, even the new TV app doesn't work right and we are presumed to be at or close to the public release build. Apple has a ton of cash on hand. Could it not use a little bit of it to ensure better QC in its software?

Agree with you
 

Dave_iPhone6s

macrumors regular
Apr 8, 2016
181
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I have open reports to Apple from 10.0 beta 1 that still haven't been fixed. Reporting to Apple is no guarantee they're actually going to do something about it. The QC on their software has flat out gone down the toilet since iOS 7. It just has. iOS 6 and below didn't have a public beta program and didn't need 3-4 .x releases to get it right. It was mostly good in the X.0 release and then there was an X.1 release a few months later to iron out the remaining bugs.

I was willing to give Cook and company a pass with iOS 7 because they basically threw out the entire OS and started over. iOS 7 was a buggy sack of crap (especially on iPad). But so was OSX 10.0, which was really the last time Apple did a complete UI overhaul. So, I kind of expected it and let it go. But we are now 4 years on and with iOS 10, the amount of bugs remaining in the OS at public release time is just flat out unacceptable. Hell, even the new TV app doesn't work right and we are presumed to be at or close to the public release build. Apple has a ton of cash on hand. Could it not use a little bit of it to ensure better QC in its software?
Couldn't agree with you more. Don't get me wrong, I love their products and will keep using them. I do think however that Apple will lose customers in the long run due to constant crappy software.
 

Mlrollin91

macrumors G5
Nov 20, 2008
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@Mlrollin91 what feedback can you provide regarding beta 5 performance?

For the most part I have not noticed any issues. The only thing that is an annoyance is iTunes backups not working 100% of the time but I'm assuming it's a compatibility issue and a new iTunes will be released soon. Battery life on beta 5 is up over beta 4 and that was better than 10.1.1. I have no complaints.
 

HamishL96

macrumors newbie
Jun 24, 2015
29
7
Geelong, Australia
Has it been noted yet that this beta breaks many Lightning accessories? One example of this is that I can't connect to my DJI Mavic Pro drone through the DJI GO App. It works in all other betas except 5. I have had to downgrade from it to beta 4.
 

OGPrince

macrumors regular
Feb 21, 2016
131
25
Florida, USA
My battery life on a 7(T-Mobile variant)
 

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C DM

macrumors Sandy Bridge
Oct 17, 2011
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OK, I'll bite. How do you bold a word in iOS iMessage?
I think that's more in relation to using the Bold text setting systemwide. Although it might be possible to type and format text elsewhere (browser or another app) and then copy and paste it to Messages with formatting.
 

Mlrollin91

macrumors G5
Nov 20, 2008
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Tomorrow beta 5 well be and public ios 10.2
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I mean the same build beta 5 will be final 10.2 tomorrow i think

I believe you are correct as well. Same thing happened with 10.1.

Two betas in one week, next week public release with those builds.
 

Math889

macrumors 65816
Jan 7, 2016
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I installed iOS 10.2 Beta 5 on my Air 2 and iPhone SE .

I have to admit that the orientation lock issue became less frequently when I installed beta 4.
I installed Beta 5 today on my Air 2. The orientation lock issue seems to be disappeared. I will post here if this issue happen again
On my iPhone. Nothing changed. Just new emojis !!!!!
 
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jgelin

macrumors 6502a
Jul 30, 2015
905
1,073
St Petersburg, FL
I have had a couple apps not working over LTE with 10.2 betas. Namely Chrome Remote Desktop and Transmit. I am on T-Mobile 27.0.

Anyone else have any cellular data strangeness?

Yes, I have this same issue. iPhone 7 tmobile

I agree, T-Mobile customer here and normally I have amazing speeds but since the latest carrier update I haven't be able to use LTE in some apps, or it crawls by at a snails pace. Hopefully they will fix it soon, I am going to fill out a bug report tonight.

Also, is there anyone in here who is having issues with the representation of how much storage space you have on the device? My phone is 256GB and in iTunes it shows its capacity as 231.48 which is normal I think... however, on device it says that I only have 159.3GB available why is this different? Does anyone else have this problem? IMG_0250.PNG

EDIT: Whoops, I figured it out it just displays weird in that screen, the capacity is found under About and in this Storage screen it is only mentioning the amount of freespace. Please ignore my question! :)
 

GrievingFob606

Suspended
Nov 15, 2016
229
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Download on your device and you will see by yourself
I'm on beta 5 already, shut up. Tell me, dude.
Why release a phone with stereo speakers and sound as loud as a 6s plus. So dumb.
Michael, if you don't like the iPhone 7 and 7 Plus with stereo speakers, then don't buy those phones. Keep your current phone with you.
 
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HankHowdy

macrumors 68040
Dec 2, 2012
3,501
392
Victorville CA
I'm having Mail alert issues. I have my incoming Mail set to "Ding", the default, but it's always another sound that gets played. I've tried selecting other alerts and have even restarted the phone but it's always playing the same sound. Anyone having this issue?

Maybe is the thread setting?
 

gwhizkids

macrumors G5
Jun 21, 2013
13,306
21,484
More TV providers. Thinking tomorrow is the day. It definitely will be if more providers show up overnight...

(Please, please don't let the final list look like this. App will be DOA)

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JetBlack7

macrumors 68030
May 14, 2011
2,543
790
Portugal
For the most part I have not noticed any issues. The only thing that is an annoyance is iTunes backups not working 100% of the time but I'm assuming it's a compatibility issue and a new iTunes will be released soon. Battery life on beta 5 is up over beta 4 and that was better than 10.1.1. I have no complaints.

Did you notice better performance over 10.1? Are animations overall smoother? No app crashes or anything?
 

OGPrince

macrumors regular
Feb 21, 2016
131
25
Florida, USA
Tomorrow beta 5 well be and public ios 10.2
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I mean the same build beta 5 will be final 10.2 tomorrow i think
I think Thursday or next Monday we might skip to 10.3. Apple has only really been including emojis so I think its time to get a big feature update. There (of course) can be a 10.2.x but I don't think they'll have a beta for it.
 

Mlrollin91

macrumors G5
Nov 20, 2008
14,172
10,187
Did you notice better performance over 10.1? Are animations overall smoother? No app crashes or anything?

Probably not the one to be asking. I have not experienced a single respring on iOS 10 on any of my devices and I have been testing since 10.0 Beta 4. Additionally, I have hardly ever experienced an app crash unless its a known issue from the app itself. I literally have zero problems, no lag, no complaints. 10.2 fixed my safari keyboard bug and thats all I cared about.
 

OGPrince

macrumors regular
Feb 21, 2016
131
25
Florida, USA
Probably not the one to be asking. I have not experienced a single respring on iOS 10 on any of my devices and I have been testing since 10.0 Beta 4. Additionally, I have hardly ever experienced an app crash unless its a known issue from the app itself. I literally have zero problems, no lag, no complaints. 10.2 fixed my safari keyboard bug and thats all I cared about.
I have basically the same exact experience
 
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