iOS 10 X

[MrAverigeUser]

It works for you then that's good.

Apple truly wants each and every one of the iPhone user to preferably get a 16 GB model so that they can force people to store their photos, videos and other data to iCloud. Hell, if it was possible, they would have even sold us 8/64/128 configurations. 8 GB iPhone is still sold in some markets.

The point is, cloud saving is and will always be unreliable.
Why?
1. 3G/4G network coverage remains spotty at best. Go inside a building, bam! no network.
2. Wifi has also failed on us many times with router going bust or ISP downtime.
3. So many times, my iPhone is showing full bars/dots connected to Vodafone network but actual internet was not working. Had to put it to Airplane mode 2-3 times to get internet working again.
4. We are not even talking about 3G/4G data charges. Most countries have insane data pricing. ($5 per GB in Vodafone India) is certainly not feasible. I think, UK, US and AU have even more outrageous pricing.
5. All data privacy and spying issues are not even worth the talk yet.
6. There is always a distant possibility of cloud server downtime and data not being available due to some technical difficulty.

Hence I prefer my data to remain on my phone. I backup it to my NAS which has 2 hard disk redundancy.

Now let us go On Topic!!

As far as iOS 10 is concerned, I don't have high hopes for it.

I just hope that they have spent this one year on improving Metal code so that it performs exactly as per advertised.

Excellent list of good arguments against naive ways to use cloud services.


There is also one more argument about cloud services:

Local storing (several different places) is shurely the best way to have a backup.
I´d prefer ONLY my personal (locally based 100% under my control) Cloud, if you want to: accessible by internet from wherever you want to, if necessarily so.

nearly all Cloud-services are completely controlled by US-law. There is some evidence that NSA has access at dropbox, same for other cloud services like Amazon, MSFT and so on.
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The NSA is well known for its worldwide industrial espionage. That started already in the 80´s with the ECHELON program, at that time still focussing on phone calls and letters sent by fax.
This is no ConspiracyTheory, this was OFFICIALLY CONFIRMED by a committee of inquiry of the European parliament many years ago as one of the rather shocking results of its investigations..

The consequence in Europe is that many enterprises have re-organized their cloud-implementation.

US-cloud services would be by far the latest thing I´d chose as a free European citizen….

 

[Zirel]

Apple truly wants each and every one of the iPhone user to preferably get a 16 GB model so that they can force people to store their photos, videos and other data to iCloud. Hell, if it was possible, they would have even sold us 8/64/128 configurations. 8 GB iPhone is still sold in some markets.

Is that your best argument?

1st. Only Apple can sell you iPhone memory upgrades, anyone (Dropbox, Google, Microsoft, Box, Upthere, Flickr, etc) can sell you cloud storage

2nd. 8GB phones are for low-end models, specially focused for corporate use, where they don't need that much of memory.

3rd. Moving from 16 to 64GB costs $100. Moving from 5GB to 50GB on iCloud costs $0.99 a month, that's only $11,88 for a year. Most people have their phones for 2 years, so that's a $23,76 upgrade. Apple earns MUCH less with cloud storage.

4th. On top of the 3rd point, that storage can be shared between multiple iOS/OS X/Windows devices. Which makes it even cheaper, as biggest chunk of people's data are photos and documents they want in all their devices.

 

[sanke1]

Is that your best argument?

1st. Only Apple can sell you iPhone memory upgrades, anyone (Dropbox, Google, Microsoft, Box, Upthere, Flickr, etc) can sell you cloud storage

2nd. 8GB phones are for low-end models, specially focused for corporate use, where they don't need that much of memory.

3rd. Moving from 16 to 64GB costs $100. Moving from 5GB to 50GB on iCloud costs $0.99 a month, that's only $11,88 for a year. Most people have their phones for 2 years, so that's a $23,76 upgrade. Apple earns MUCH less with cloud storage.

4th. On top of the 3rd point, that storage can be shared between multiple iOS/OS X/Windows devices. Which makes it even cheaper, as biggest chunk of people's data are photos and documents they want in all their devices.

Good god! did you not read my points and picked up a non-point as my best argument?

Now time to debunk all your points:
1st. We all already know that. We also know that not giving 32 GB model is a damn sneaky lil move. We understand that from business point of view. But I don't understand why you mention this.

2nd. Horribly wrong. 8 GB phones are strictly for developing countries like India/China where people still buy on cheap. It is also a way to clear out (dump) old inventory at the same time saving precious NAND chips. The saved NAND chips go towards newer models. Corporates will NEVER buy a phone which will stop receiving software support within a year. Those who do...... need to rethink their strategy.

3rd. Every 2 years, 100 - 23.76 = 76.24 $ are saved for 50 GB cloud storage (Buying 16GB device). Looks fantastic right? But then all that data is not going to upload and download without a proper data plan. Cheapest here is 5$ for 1GB per month. So that's 60$ per year just to transfer 1 GB data every month. Then you use wifi. Fine! But even minimum plan will cost you $ 20 for 50 GB data cap per month. You can get away by not paying for it at your office. But at your home, YOU WILL PAY for the bandwidth.

4th. iCloud/box/onedrive Storage can be shared. But then, even wifi or data packs can be shared between family members. Which drives up usage and you have to move to more expensive data tier at your ISP. This makes my 3rd point even stronger.

You will most certainly pay more for data if you decide to go the cloud route. Plus the reliability of internet is always a question. If you can, Power to you! No one is stopping you.

Storing data locally is sooo 2016 and will also be sooo in 2020!!

 

[Abazigal]

maybe. But that is sort f a luxury problem...

For me it is more about Form follows Function,
for Jony Ive and other apple customers than me it is more about Function follows Form …

I prefer always to drive an unwashed car with perfect brakes than to drive a shiny car with inferior brakes.
If I was forced to choose one of both possible cars…

IMO, with Apple, it's more that form enables function. We see this in many of their products like the MacBook charger which both look good and work great while at it.

In Apple's case, it's more like I don't need to choose. I get the best of both worlds in the form of a device which both looks great and works great.

 

[dk001]

There is a method to get both.Material Design by Google does not use transparency and these fancy animation gimmicks and IMO has clearer text.The design Apple has adopted is flawed in that nothing but the top of the line device can handle these effects

and the great thing is you can activate the developer menu and adjust or turn off the pesky animations.
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Did I recommend iCloud?

I simply have recommend cloud services.

For example Dropbox, you can make a set of files available offline and edit those file if you want, and add new files, too. When your device has connectivity again, changes as uploaded.

You said you used iCloud and Dropbox.
Dropbox has minimal offline access and usability in iOS. You have to indicate what you want available ahead of time. On OS X, Android, and Windows I can set it up so I have all files available by default and sync at my next connect.
Clouds are very useful as long as they are dependable. Off line access is where they struggle on iOS.
For me, I have found iCloud to be the least dependable.
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Is that your best argument?

1st. Only Apple can sell you iPhone memory upgrades, anyone (Dropbox, Google, Microsoft, Box, Upthere, Flickr, etc) can sell you cloud storage

2nd. 8GB phones are for low-end models, specially focused for corporate use, where they don't need that much of memory.

3rd. Moving from 16 to 64GB costs $100. Moving from 5GB to 50GB on iCloud costs $0.99 a month, that's only $11,88 for a year. Most people have their phones for 2 years, so that's a $23,76 upgrade. Apple earns MUCH less with cloud storage.

4th. On top of the 3rd point, that storage can be shared between multiple iOS/OS X/Windows devices. Which makes it even cheaper, as biggest chunk of people's data are photos and documents they want in all their devices.

You are right however still continue to miss / gloss over the availability of the cloud and the cost of data transmission. The cloud cost is minimal - that isn't the point. It is accessibility.

 

[Radon87000]

Good god! did you not read my points and picked up a non-point as my best argument?

Now time to debunk all your points:
1st. We all already know that. We also know that not giving 32 GB model is a damn sneaky lil move. We understand that from business point of view. But I don't understand why you mention this.

2nd. Horribly wrong. 8 GB phones are strictly for developing countries like India/China where people still buy on cheap. It is also a way to clear out (dump) old inventory at the same time saving precious NAND chips. The saved NAND chips go towards newer models. Corporates will NEVER buy a phone which will stop receiving software support within a year. Those who do...... need to rethink their strategy.

3rd. Every 2 years, 100 - 23.76 = 76.24 $ are saved for 50 GB cloud storage (Buying 16GB device). Looks fantastic right? But then all that data is not going to upload and download without a proper data plan. Cheapest here is 5$ for 1GB per month. So that's 60$ per year just to transfer 1 GB data every month. Then you use wifi. Fine! But even minimum plan will cost you $ 20 for 50 GB data cap per month. You can get away by not paying for it at your office. But at your home, YOU WILL PAY for the bandwidth.

4th. iCloud/box/onedrive Storage can be shared. But then, even wifi or data packs can be shared between family members. Which drives up usage and you have to move to more expensive data tier at your ISP. This makes my 3rd point even stronger.

You will most certainly pay more for data if you decide to go the cloud route. Plus the reliability of internet is always a question. If you can, Power to you! No one is stopping you.

Storing data locally is sooo 2016 and will also be sooo in 2020!!

Cloud Storage is so awesome that Samsung is rumored to bringing back SD Card support for the S7 because I guess people really loved cloud storage on the S6 /s

 

[Zirel]

Dropbox has minimal offline access and usability in iOS. You have to indicate what you want available ahead of time. On OS X, Android, and Windows I can set it up so I have all files available by default and sync at my next connect.

Then select all files to be available offline.

The cloud cost is minimal - that isn't the point. It is accessibility.

That's not Apple's problem, Apple is not an ISP/Carrier.

 

[dk001]

Then select all files to be available offline.

? My dropbox has approx 5k+ files. So I have togo in and select each file to be off line?
Not realistic.

That's not Apple's problem, Apple is not an ISP/Carrier.

No, it is Apple's problem as it is part of the iOS experience. aka customer satisfaction.

 

[maflynn]

[MOD NOTE]
This thread is is not about Samsung vs. Apple. Lets take that topic to another thread. Please stay on topic, as a number of posts were removed hopefully to get this thread back on track.

 

[Jayson A]

Back then, I had a Galaxy Nexus, and the Bluetooth worked fine with my car until 4.1, on 4.2, it stopped working for my car, and many more (specially German cars).

I dug why, and Google replaced BlueZ bluetooth stack with another stack made by Qualcomm. No new features!

Just to make Android more controlled by big corporations that are part of Open Handset Alliance, they don't care about losing their costumers!

The difference, is that when you go to XDA developers, is that they will tell you to Flash some ROM or Kernel, or Makeshift fix, maybe blame the OEM, but never, ever, ever, point your finger to Android or Google!

The difference is, if something breaks or you don't like the new version, you can downgrade Android devices. You're not locked into the latest version if it runs like crap on your hardware.

Why doesn't Apple treat iOS like OS X where you can put any iOS on it as long as you don't go earlier than the OS it shipped with. If your iPhone shipped with iOS 8, that's the lowest you can downgrade to.

 

[C DM]

The difference is, if something breaks or you don't like the new version, you can downgrade Android devices. You're not locked into the latest version if it runs like crap on your hardware.

Why doesn't Apple treat iOS like OS X where you can put any iOS on it as long as you don't go earlier than the OS it shipped with. If your iPhone shipped with iOS 8, that's the lowest you can downgrade to.

A question that has been posed for many years now. The only thing that can be said about it is that it just keeps on getting repeated year after year.

 

[JM]

So there was a report last year that Apple was putting a huge focus on optimization for iOS 9, but turns out that didn't happen. However, El Captain did get the huge focus on optimization, and the result is dramatic.

So, since iOS is so heavily based on OS X, do you think Apple is putting the optimizations on OS X first to try it out before putting it on iOS? I think this is a good idea for several reasons. It lets Apple develop and mature the optimizations on OS X first. It would also fit iOS 10 better, like Apple can call it "iOS reborn" or something to focus on the efficiency and optimization of the new iOS.

This is also important, because Apple can no longer rely on hardware to solve their speed problems. Within 3 years, we will start seeing just 25% year over year improvement on hardware instead of the doubling of processing power every year. Hardware is reaching the physical limits to go any faster, just as Intel has seen over the past 5 years where the year over year improvement in Intel's chips have only been 10-15% for the past 5 years. I see Apple getting one more doubling in CPU performance from a combination of increased CPU clock frequency and architectural improvements, and a second doubling from going from dual core to quad core. Therefore, the future of mobile devices will be focused on OS optimization to get additional speed.

Nope.

Well THAT was easy!

But to expand on my succinct, jovial post: what I mean is that if Apple promised optimization in iOS 9 and it didn't optimize anything perceptible, then there is zero reason to think Apple will optimize for iOS 10.

It's going to slow down in older phones just like it does every year. (iPhone 5s may even run like s*** because why the f*** would Apple care about a two year old device when they're releasing a brand new shiny 4".

Everyone except iPhone 7 owners will complain about slowdown, and rightfully so because there WILL be slowdown on anything but the 7.

To be cheery, though, the updates on iOS 10 may be worth the s*** performance. I didn't want to update to iOS 8 but they offered enough to entice me. I use the Send my Current Location all the time when my wife texts where I'm at.

 

[I7guy]

Nope.

Well THAT was easy!

But to expand on my succinct, jovial post: what I mean is that if Apple promised optimization in iOS 9 and it didn't optimize anything perceptible, then there is zero reason to think Apple will optimize for iOS 10.

It's going to slow down in older phones just like it does every year. (iPhone 5s may even run like s*** because why the f*** would Apple care about a two year old device when they're releasing a brand new shiny 4".

Everyone except iPhone 7 owners will complain about slowdown, and rightfully so because there WILL be slowdown on anything but the 7.

To be cheery, though, the updates on iOS 10 may be worth the s*** performance. I didn't want to update to iOS 8 but they offered enough to entice me. I use the Send my Current Location all the time when my wife texts where I'm at.

To be fair there were under the cover enhancements that were made to ios 9, like the javascript engine. Invisible but important. IOS 8 was a "bag o'hurt" when it came to safari. And I predict there will be no slowdown. IOS 9 will be fully optimized just in time for IOS 10. The big question is will ipad 2 and 4s owners reap the benefit of ios 10.

 

[JM]

To be fair there were under the cover enhancements that were made to ios 9, like the javascript engine. Invisible but important. IOS 8 was a "bag o'hurt" when it came to safari. And I predict there will be no slowdown. IOS 9 will be fully optimized just in time for IOS 10. The big question is will ipad 2 and 4s owners reap the benefit of ios 10.

True. Safari is a lot more stable. I did notice that. IOS 8 crashed a lot for me.

 

[Zirel]

No, it is Apple's problem as it is part of the iOS experience. aka customer satisfaction.

No, it's not. Apple is not an ISP/Carrier.

The difference is, if something breaks or you don't like the new version, you can downgrade Android devices. You're not locked into the latest version if it runs like crap on your hardware.

It depends on the Android device.

 

[Baby12]

I think most of you noticed various problems with iOS9 but don't won't to talk about them.

 

[dk001]

No, it's not. Apple is not an ISP/Carrier.
...

What? I guess then that "experience" had nothing to do with the way Apple handles it's Carrier interaction. No Carrier apps, direct OS updates, etc... If it is part of the consumer experience, it is Apple.

 

[Radon87000]

Nope.

Well THAT was easy!

But to expand on my succinct, jovial post: what I mean is that if Apple promised optimization in iOS 9 and it didn't optimize anything perceptible, then there is zero reason to think Apple will optimize for iOS 10.

It's going to slow down in older phones just like it does every year. (iPhone 5s may even run like s*** because why the f*** would Apple care about a two year old device when they're releasing a brand new shiny 4".

Everyone except iPhone 7 owners will complain about slowdown, and rightfully so because there WILL be slowdown on anything but the 7.

To be cheery, though, the updates on iOS 10 may be worth the s*** performance. I didn't want to update to iOS 8 but they offered enough to entice me. I use the Send my Current Location all the time when my wife texts where I'm at.

You can expect that all 1GB devices will run like total crap on iOS 10 and the 6S will take the place of the 6 in it's irritating stutters.You heard it here first

 

[Jayson A]

When will the public get this?

 

[C DM]

When will the public get this?

Get what?

 

[Merkie]

So far, iOS 9.3 has been better than 9.2, which was better than 9.1, which was better than 9.0, which was ten times worse than 8.4.1. Let's hope this trend will continue and iOS 10.0 will be better than the latest version of iOS 9.

If Apple doesn't break things in the first place, they won't have to fix it either.

To be fair there were under the cover enhancements that were made to ios 9, like the javascript engine. Invisible but important. IOS 8 was a "bag o'hurt" when it came to safari. And I predict there will be no slowdown. IOS 9 will be fully optimized just in time for IOS 10. The big question is will ipad 2 and 4s owners reap the benefit of ios 10.

iOS is a lot more than Safari.

 

[C DM]

So far, iOS 9.3 has been better than 9.2, which was better than 9.1, which was better than 9.0, which was ten times worse than 8.4.1. Let's hope this trend will continue and iOS 10.0 will be better than the latest version of iOS 9.

If Apple doesn't break things in the first place, they won't have to fix it either.

iOS is a lot more than Safari.

As it is also similarly more than some frame drops in some animations (some of which might not be part of what many people even really use or use often, to top it off).

 

[I7guy]

So far, iOS 9.3 has been better than 9.2, which was better than 9.1, which was better than 9.0, which was ten times worse than 8.4.1. Let's hope this trend will continue and iOS 10.0 will be better than the latest version of iOS 9.

If Apple doesn't break things in the first place, they won't have to fix it either.iOS is a lot more than Safari.

safari is part of iOS and Apple is constantly tweaking the under-belly of the operating system.

 

[Dydegu]

I thought iOS 9 was focused on performance improvements?

I'm going to be really disappointed if they don't introduce some form of multi-tasking on the iPhones in iOS 10.

 

[C DM]

I thought iOS 9 was focused on performance improvements?

I'm going to be really disappointed if they don't introduce some form of multi-tasking on the iPhones in iOS 10.

Some form already seems to be there.