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iOS 11 beta 10 — Changes and Issues

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I've wondered this for a while during the betas for iOS 11, but never posted it. But here goes: is the fact that iOS 11 is the first iOS to be based on the APFS file system the reason for the amount of "bugs" so late in the beta process?
 
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I’m late shift this week.

Slow to update latest pb via se -then iPad Pro 10.5 maybe Fri or Sat.

Hope I get Siri to listen eventually, starting to think I can maybe make Siri play music in car audio and bring up voice contacts and voice dialling etc.
 
syphix924 said:
I've wondered this for a while during the betas for iOS 11, but never posted it. But here goes: is the fact that iOS 11 is the first iOS to be based on the APFS file system the reason for the amount of "bugs" so late in the beta process?
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You are correct to put "bugs" in quotes. We don't know if they are bugs or simply artifacts of the beta development process (logging, etc...). Really, everyone needs to remember that this is beta software. Apple's priorities in this program is not necessarily to provide the smoothest UI experience. As a matter of fact, they may be doing things that are antithetical to "smoothness" because they need to test stuff. So, no one should really be complaining about the UI stuff until the GM is released. Then its fair game. But that won't stop anyone.
 
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Cu5co said:
I agree with you. I just think that 10 betas is just too much. But I must believe that they will solve this and other small issues that still persist. Coding animations is just a pain in the but and I, myself, don’t like doing that, just when it’s strictly necessary.
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More betas, the better!!! More betas means they are finding more bugs and know to fix them. I’d rather have 10 betas than 5. Beta 5, there were still issues that I’m not seeing now, including resprings. Those happened a lot around beta 5 and it was so annoying. Beta 10 seems to be smooth sailing. If an 11th beta is released, I’m all for it. It means they found another bug that they fixed.
 
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Anyone know if 3D Touch and “leave app for home screen” are still lagging?
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A few thoughts on all the endless stream of comments comparing the iOS 11 betas to iOS 10.3.3 that I've seen throughout the beta period.
  1. The initial release of a new iOS version is NEVER as fast or fluid as the final revision of the previous version. It has always been this way. Apple's iOS development strategy is to pack most-to-all of the new features into the X.0 release in a (mostly) stable format and then focus on any straggler features and speed/stability improvements later. That is why there have been X.2 and X.3 releases with most iOS versions. The comparison between iOS 11.0 and iOS 10.3.3 is not fair because you are comparing brand new (beta) software and a revision of iOS 10 that was release over six month after the original build. Apple had a lot of time to optimize the software in iOS 10.3.3 so of course it is faster. Now, we could argue until we are blue in the face about whether it's a good thing that Apple handles iOS development this way. I personally don't like it and would be fine with extending the development cycle from a year to a year and a half if it meant the releases were faster and more stable right from the start. But, I don't work for Apple and clearly have no control over how they do things.
  2. While iOS 11.0 might not be as fast or as stable as iOS 10.3.3, it is WAY better than some earlier X.0 builds. Anyone who remembers iOS 7 knows what I'm talking about. iOS 7.0 was so buggy at launch that it was borderline unusable (especially on iPad). I am still amazed to this day that Apple allowed that initial release out the door in the condition it was in. Likewise, iOS 8.0 was also pretty buggy at launch, and the iOS 8.0.1 update actually broke the cellular radio on all the new iPhone 6 models Apple had just started selling. I agree things might not be quite as good as they could be. But, things have come a long way from the self-inflicted disaster that was the iOS 7 launch.
  3. At this late point in the beta process, Apple rarely makes any major changes to the software. Keep in mind that, at this point, software is having to be installed on the new iPhones Apple is about to announce next week. Apple can't really make changes without having a discrepancy between the new phones and older models. Yes, that could be remedied with a launch day software update. However, Apple tends to shy away from those it seems (probably because it implies the phone wasn't good-to-go as sold). Most major changes stop coming around beta 5-6 and it becomes small, behind the scenes changes that you might not even notice. Anything that hasn't been fixed or sped up by this point is probably not coming until iOS 11.1. This includes the iMessage syncing (unfortunately) and even the lagginess in the 3D Touch animations (which I think has been way overblown here).
  4. Ranting about these issues here does nothing except polarize the conversation. Apple doesn't read these forums. If you haven't yet reported your pet issue through the Feedback app, go do that now. If you have already done that, there's really not much else you can do. Posting about the same issues over and over and over again does nothing except polarize the conversation, with tons of snippy posts like "if you hate the lag so much, go back to iOS 10" or "if you can't understand how terrible this bug is, you must be a moron". I'm paraphrasing of course, but that really feels like what the last few beta threads have devolved into. It's no longer fostering constructive discussion and it's just making everyone angry. I think it's time for everyone to take a breath and realize the issues people are focusing on here are relatively minor and will likely get fixed in the next month or two. The good news is that Apple usually starts seeding betas for the X.1 build within a few weeks of the public X.0 release.
Sorry for the long post but I really feel that the back-and-forth had gotten to be a bit much and these things needed to be said.
 
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KrisLord said:
As this isn’t the GM im guessing there’s still a lot of logging and debug code running which will be disabled in the GM.

Therefore I’d expect some performance improvements even if there are her bug fixes in the GM.
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Anyone else care to chime in? Speculation or is there truth to this?
 
Changing Apple TV volume via the control center Remote function now also changes ringer volume. Annoying bug, submitting feedback and I hope they fix it by the GM.
 
MacDevil7334 said:
A few thoughts on all the endless stream of comments comparing the iOS 11 betas to iOS 10.3.3 that I've seen throughout the beta period.
  1. The initial release of a new iOS version is NEVER as fast or fluid as the final revision of the previous version. It has always been this way. Apple's iOS development strategy is to pack most-to-all of the new features into the X.0 release in a (mostly) stable format and then focus on any straggler features and speed/stability improvements later. That is why there have been X.2 and X.3 releases with most iOS versions. The comparison between iOS 11.0 and iOS 10.3.3 is not fair because you are comparing brand new (beta) software and a revision of iOS 10 that was release over six month after the original build. Apple had a lot of time to optimize the software in iOS 10.3.3 so of course it is faster. Now, we could argue until we are blue in the face about whether it's a good thing that Apple handles iOS development this way. I personally don't like it and would be fine with extending the development cycle from a year to a year and a half if it meant the releases were faster and more stable right from the start. But, I don't work for Apple and clearly have no control over how they do things.
  2. While iOS 11.0 might not be as fast or as stable as iOS 10.3.3, it is WAY better than some earlier X.0 builds. Anyone who remembers iOS 7 knows what I'm talking about. iOS 7.0 was so buggy at launch that it was borderline unusable (especially on iPad). I am still amazed to this day that Apple allowed that initial release out the door in the condition it was in. Likewise, iOS 8.0 was also pretty buggy at launch, and the iOS 8.0.1 update actually broke the cellular radio on all the new iPhone 6 models Apple had just started selling. I agree things might not be quite as good as they could be. But, things have come a long way from the self-inflicted disaster that was the iOS 7 launch.
  3. At this late point in the beta process, Apple rarely makes any major changes to the software. Keep in mind that, at this point, software is having to be installed on the new iPhones Apple is about to announce next week. Apple can't really make changes without having a discrepancy between the new phones and older models. Yes, that could be remedied with a launch day software update. However, Apple tends to shy away from those it seems (probably because it implies the phone wasn't good-to-go as sold). Most major changes stop coming around beta 5-6 and it becomes small, behind the scenes changes that you might not even notice. Anything that hasn't been fixed or sped up by this point is probably not coming until iOS 11.1. This includes the iMessage syncing (unfortunately) and even the lagginess in the 3D Touch animations (which I think has been way overblown here).
  4. Ranting about these issues here does nothing except polarize the conversation. Apple doesn't read these forums. If you haven't yet reported your pet issue through the Feedback app, go do that now. If you have already done that, there's really not much else you can do. Posting about the same issues over and over and over again does nothing except polarize the conversation, with tons of snippy posts like "if you hate the lag so much, go back to iOS 10" or "if you can't understand how terrible this bug is, you must be a moron". I'm paraphrasing of course, but that really feels like what the last few beta threads have devolved into. It's no longer fostering constructive discussion and it's just making everyone angry. I think it's time for everyone to take a breath and realize the issues people are focusing on here are relatively minor and will likely get fixed in the next month or two. The good news is that Apple usually starts seeding betas for the X.1 build within a few weeks of the public X.0 release.
Sorry for the long post but I really feel that the back-and-forth had gotten to be a bit much and these things needed to be said.
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Amen. Perfectly put.
 
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Donfor39 said:
I’m late shift this week.

Slow to update latest pb via se -then iPad Pro 10.5 maybe Fri or Sat.

Hope I get Siri to listen eventually, starting to think I can maybe make Siri play music in car audio and bring up voice contacts and voice dialling etc.
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And what about Siri in Portuguese/Portuguese and not only Portuguese/Brazilian. So many year went since first iPhone and no such important language on Siri missing.
 
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Banglazed said:
If there is, it might be tomorrow
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How is watchOS 4 coming? Been wanting to plunge on it as well but afraid I would wind up having to send it back to Apple in the event of any catastrophic bug/glitch/wanting to downgrade.
 
archvile said:
How is watchOS 4 coming? Been wanting to plunge on it as well but afraid I would wind up having to send it back to Apple in the event of any catastrophic bug/glitch/wanting to downgrade.
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You can take the plunge for the watchOS since it has been stable for me and it outlast my iPhone with awesome battery life. You can install the beta and then remove the profile since once it officially released you will be able to just update it to that build. I don't think there is another beta for watchOS though other than GM and the same build may be official public release build too.
 
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