Which iOS 10 features is the iPhone 6 missing (aside from features that it doesn't have because it doesn't have the hardware to support them, such as 3D touch and camera differences)?
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True, but as I understand it raise to wake, and unplugged hey Siri are thanks to improvements within the M9 co-processor that allow it to do those things with minimal battery usage.
Not necessarily true. No matter what people say, they have different hardware, period.
The 3GS and 4 also had almost the same chip in them (just more RAM and higher clock speeds) but support for the 3GS was still dropped ahead of the 4 (even though the 4 didn't handle iOS 7 great...). I just can't see Apple dropping the 6 series at the same time as the 5s. Unfortunately the 6 Plus has been a bit slow from day 1 as it was under specced for rendering at 1242 × 2208 and downsampling and it will be dragged along to iOS 12 anyway.
3GS to 4 was a different story due to the ram. I don't think we've ever had a situation where two generations of iphone were so close in performance. Personally I think the difference is almost the same as between the low and high end A5 devices, they dropped both at the same time so I think the 5S will go to iOS 12. Support cycles for iPhone should be getting longer anway, the 5S might get an additional year.
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The performance of the two is very similar, the different hardware doesn't really matter.
There is a difference, even if slight, and the A8 has the advantage. Apple will not stop iOS support for the 5S and 6 at the same time. I'm done arguing the point unless you want to bet $100.
Agreed . That slightly little difference in perfomance will let the 6 series get just one more year of support . Apple will kill the 6 right after the 5S. A year after the 5S
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They dropped all A5 and A5X devices . That's will not be the case for iPhone 6 IPhone 6 uses an A8 chip . iPhone 5S A7 chip . Not same generation. I have to agree that A8 is slightly faster than A7 . 15% faster to be exactly .
So , no it won't be dropped altogether. 6 will get one more year of support . iOS 12 or 13 IMO. A5X was a variant of A5 chip that's why Apple dropped it . Like A6X is a variant of A6 and both will be dropped. That's why Apple dropped IPad 2 and 3 same chip generation A5 and A5X .
[doublepost=1495597483][/doublepost]As for the A8 and A8X , they won't be dropped together . A8X has 2GB of RAM like A9 . Triple core processor . (IPad Air 2) .
So, the Air 2 will last a year more than 6 . Both released in the same year. A8X is way beyond the A8 .
That is my point - the lowest and highest end A5 devices were dropped together. They didn't continue support for one and leave others. I think the difference is comparable to the 5S to 6, so while the chips are named differently they are similar and very similar in performance.
Apple has surprised us time and time again with dropping devices as they don't follow a pattern. the Lack of performance or ram increase between the 5S and 6 would mean something that runs on the 6 should run almost as well on the 5S so I don't see it as too far out there to continue ruspoort for the 5S till the 6 can't handle it.
Have they dropped devices at the same time that were at least a whole generation and basically year apart?
The original iPhone and iPhone 3G were exactly the same processing power wise. They still updated the 3G an extra year despite poor performance. I see no reason why they can't do the same for the iPhone 6, which should still outperform the 4 and 4s. Not to mention that there is an increase in performance, however small.
Depends on your definition of generation. I'd call the normal A8 merely an A7X, very minor improvement t. Has apple recently had two devices that were so similar in performance and a year apart?
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I had forgotten that, however that was a long time ago. Apple is unpredictable with update cycles, and yes they have never dropped two iPhones together, but this is now a mortal situation due the lack of performance jump (yes there is a small one). I'm also more arguing what I think apple should do rather than what they will do.
Well, that didn't really answer the question that I asked in relation to what was brought up. I'm assuming the answer is then most likely "no".
Why should the iPhone 6 have a shorter lifespan than the 4s, 5 and 5s? What would that mean for the 6s and up? Going back to 4 years of support? Or not dropping any devices for 2 years and then dropping them again.
It's just a lot simpler to be consistent and drop one generation at a time.
I never asked for the iPhone 6 to have less support, I suggested that the 5S get the same as the 6, and that the 6 should get support as long as technically possible. Dropping the 5S a year before the 6 would be irresponsible in my view as my belief is that if the 6 can run it, the 5S is capable as well.
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Questiono you think that Apple will support iPad Air 2 longer than iPhone 6? Both were released in the same year
Yes I do - it's got double the Ram and it is a lot faster. iOS support shouldn't be solely based on what year a device is released and how many updates that a device has received, it should be based on how technically possible it is to deliver an update.
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You didn't read what I wrote then. It isn't a simple yes no question. The difference between the A7 and A8 is probably the smallest jump out of any A chip in any iPhone generation after the 4, and in any other iPhone generation the normal A8 in the iPhone 6 could have been classed as an A7X (based on performance not chip design, and Apple did drop A5 devices alongside A5X devices.
And the overall point I make is that everyone seems set on this idea that the 5S will get dropped a year earlier because of apple's past update patterns, yet their past update patterns are unpredictable and fairly random at times,
Good question. I can see if going either way to be honest. Either Apple drops support for all A8/A8x based devices at once (likely with iOS 12 being the last version that supports A8 devices), or they drop only A8 devices with 1 GB of ram (so the 6 & 6 plus) and give the A8/x devices with 2 GB of RAM an extra year (or more?). I suspect ram may be more of a limiting factor in a couple years since the A8 is plenty powerful, but Apple may choose to drop the Air 2 and Mini 4 anyway since dropping an entire generation of chips at once seems simpler.Question
Well, I read what was written, I was just asking something about one particular aspect of it all that was brought up.
As far as past patterns, it seems that they have been more on the predictable side rather than the opposite. Now, of course here and there somewhat more seemingly random things have happened or could certainly happen, but on the overall side of things, especially when it comes to upgrades for iPhones, it's been more predictable than not (again, whether that necessarily means that something can't change at some point in the future is a somewhat different question, since essentially almost anything could happen in the future).
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IMO I don't think that Apple will drop all A8 devices at once .
The A8 is a curious chip. IPhone 6 is just 15% faster than IPhone 5S. While the A8X is 55% faster than A8, has double the RAM, tri- core processor. Its way better than A8. IPad mini 4 has an A8 processor with 2GB of RAM like Air 2. A8X is even more powerful than A8 on the Mini 4.So, I think Apple will certainly drop IPhone 6 before drop the Air 2.
Lets go back in a too distant past ..... Apple A4 . Ipad 1 generation , Iphone 4, Ipod Touch 4. The IPhone 3GS used an inferior processor.
When Apple announced iOS 6, it dropped support for IPad 1 ,BUT, Iphone 4 and IPod touch 4 which uses the same processor didn't get dropped .Even the 3GS was compatible too.
iOS 7 Apple dropped IPod touch 4 , BUT, the IPhone 4 stayed.
All these devices except iPhone 3GS uses an A4 processor .
Apple dropped iPod touch 4 gen because of the RAM, it has 256 mb of ram, while the IPhone 4 has 512 mb of ram . Both use A4 processor . So, Apple can drop a device based on ram like in this case that I mentioned.
So, based on a too distant past , I think this will happen again with A8.
I don't understand why Apple dropped iPad 1 and didn't drop the iPod touch 4 when they released iOS 6?both devices has 256 mb of ram , am I correct ? So, why drop ipad 1 so early ?
Does the 4th generation iPod touch and iPhone 3GS count?
"I never asked for the iPhone 6 to have less support, I suggested that the 5S get the same as the 6, and that the 6 should get support as long as technically possible."
Which means the 6 would automatically get supported one year less than the 5s because the 5s is one year older than it. I don't think Apple wants older iPhones to have been better value over time than newer ones. They want people confident in the longevity of their devices.
And I don't see a problem with the 6 getting 1 year less of support than the 5S as long as apple ensures that it supports it for as long as possible as it would still be getting longer support than previous iPhones. It's apple's fault anyway for underspecving the 6!
Optics play a role in all of it too, not just technicalities essentially (even if technicalities might have more going for them as far as logic/rationale/etc.).
True about that. The general public doesn't know or care that it's only slightly more powerful. They just know it's newer and supposed to be better than the 5s.
Trying to predict how the A8 will be supported is pretty complicated. There are the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus. But then there are slightly weaker devices (iPod touch) slightly stronger (iPad mini 4) and much stronger as well (iPad Air 2), and they weren't all released at one time. The Air 2 certainly can't be classed with the 5s.
I think the Air 2 will have possibly 2 more iOS versions released for it than the 5S and 6. The A8X should probably get the same support the ipad 2017 gets.