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You mean professional Youtubers whose livelihood and paying bills (and they make BIG money on it too if you see their lifestyles being pseudo-celebrities being famous for being famous crap) depend upon getting idiots to view their videos by creating controversy intentionally?

Nah you dont say everything isn't puppies and rainbows! No one would want to watch someone gush about a company and claim it could do no wrong year after year, that wouldn't be very interesting and get views which equals $$$$$$

I truly think there are some really naive people out there.
 
well, if your mom & justine are upset... everyone must be upset. nevermind those who insist they're 'ok' on ios11 (people like me); we're obviously either insane. or lying. or both.

if only these forums were focused on... people asking for help, discussing issues. being constructive. i keep thinking of leaving macrumors but... i do get help here, sometimes help others, plus... it IS fun to argue a bit, especially when there are posts like this one.

And what’s wrong with ‘posts like this one’? What do you expect us to do? This is what these forums are for, to discuss any issues or problems that we may be having. Saying that everything’s fine when it isn’t does nothing. Apple listened when there were complaints about the app switcher gesture being removed and they brought that back, so if we are vocal enough which many have been then they will listen. It is expected of them to put out quality software anyway, we shouldn’t have to up with this level of sloppyness from them in 2017. If you aren’t having any problems then that’s great, I wish I wasn’t either, but you have to be lying to yourself if you think that this is just a minuscule problem. Every other day there’s people complaining about frame drops and bugs and other issues on their brand new iPhones. Complaining that people are complaining is silly and negates what these forums are for and I always find it strange when people do it on here. Being an Apple apologist isn’t good for us or them.
 
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And what’s wrong with ‘posts like this one’? What do you expect us to do? This is what these forums are for, to discuss any issues or problems that we may be having. Saying that everything’s fine when it isn’t does nothing. Apple listened when there were complaints about the app switcher gesture being removed and they brought that back, so if we are vocal enough which many have been then they will listen. It is expected of them to put out quality software anyway, we shouldn’t have to up with this level of sloppyness from them in 2017. If you aren’t having any problems then that’s great, I wish I wasn’t either, but you have to be lying to yourself if you think that this is just a minuscule problem. Every other day here’s people complaining about frame drops and bugs and other issues on their brand new iPhones. Complaining that people are complaining is silly and negates what these forums are for and I always find it strange when people do it on here. Being an Apple apologist isn’t good for us or them.
What some are basically saying is that the same kind of complaining about the same kinds of things has been here and other places for years now and has been discussed over and over running in the same circles over and over again many many times. Nothing really new gets said and nothing really new comes out of it all (compared to many many discussions of the same thing that have already happened).
 
You mean professional Youtubers whose livelihood and paying bills (and they make BIG money on it too if you see their lifestyles being pseudo-celebrities being famous for being famous crap) depend upon getting idiots to view their videos by creating controversy intentionally?

Nah you dont say everything isn't puppies and rainbows! No one would want to watch someone gush about a company and claim it could do no wrong year after year, that wouldn't be very interesting and get views which equals $$$$$$

I truly think there are some really naive people out there.

iJustine is the opposite of what you described. She gets hyped about Apple all the time and usually sings their praises which is why I specifically mentioned her. It’s not like she made an entire video about it, she quickly mentioned it in her iOS 11 video.
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What some are basically saying is that the same kind of complaining about the same kinds of things has been here and other places for years now and has been discussed over and over running in the same circles over and over again many many times. Nothing really new gets said and nothing really new comes out of it all (compared to many many discussions of the same thing that have already happened).

I feel it’s different this time around. In terms of performance and fit and finish iOS 11 is really terrible and is a really poor showing from Apple. You honestly can’t expect nobody to mention it. Were there similar threads and posts like this in the past? Yeah probably, but I don’t think they were on such a widespread scale and I don’t recall the bugs and issues being as bad as this. I returned my iPhone 8 because of it it’s that bad and I never return new iPhones.
 
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iJustine is the opposite of what you described. She gets hyped about Apple all the time and usually sings their praises which is why I specifically mentioned her. It’s not like she made an entire video about it, she quickly mentioned it in her iOS 11 video.
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I feel it’s different this time around. In terms of performance and fit and finish iOS 11 is really terrible and is really a poor showing from Apple. You honestly can’t expect nobody to mention it. We’re there similar threads and posts like this in the past? Yeah probably, but I don’t think they were on such a widespread scale and I don’t recall the bugs and issues being as bad as this. I returned my iPhone 8 because of it it is that bad and I never return new iPhones.
If you look through these forums you'll see similar scale and similar level of long discussions about the early versions of pretty much most of iOS releases. Certainly a number of long ongoing threads about it in regards to iOS 11 already, just as there were in regards to iOS 10, and 9, and 8, and so on.
 
If you look through these forums you'll see similar scale and similar level of long discussions about the early versions of pretty much most of iOS releases. Certainly a number of long ongoing threads about it in regards to iOS 11 already, just as there were in regards to iOS 10, and 9, and 8, and so on.

yes, that's the point; nothing changes. and saying that 'people' are complaining still doesn't tell us how many people... out of how many iphone users.

whining and insisting that one's experience is everyone's experience is just... absurd.

'i bought this car, it wouldn't start... so everyone who bought this car can't start it'

if you skip the whiny threads, there's so much good stuff that happens on this forum. so, one more "worst ios ever" thread is just one more distraction (which i am admitting i spent too much time with). and i am not an apple apologist, i have long-standing issues with ios, and used to jailbreak my phones (which i sorta miss).
 
Who does Tim think he is? He thinks he’s god or something and everyone is a conformist. Like you know why iOS has a lot of big UI interfaces and bolder fonts now? Because everyone there is getting old! Their eyesight has been slowly deteriorating since Steve died. And by having their eyesight get weakened, their vision has too. Their vision of Apple has become a blurred thing. It’s no longer how it was from the beginning. Steve was the man who changed the world, without Steve, there would be no iWork.
 
Who does Tim think he is? He thinks he’s god or something and everyone is a conformist. Like you know why iOS has a lot of big UI interfaces and bolder fonts now? Because everyone there is getting old! Their eyesight has been slowly deteriorating since Steve died. And by having their eyesight get weakened, their vision has too. Their vision of Apple has become a blurred thing. It’s no longer how it was from the beginning. Steve was the man who changed the world, without Steve, there would be no iWork.

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yes, that's the point; nothing changes. and saying that 'people' are complaining still doesn't tell us how many people... out of how many iphone users.

whining and insisting that one's experience is everyone's experience is just... absurd.

'i bought this car, it wouldn't start... so everyone who bought this car can't start it'

if you skip the whiny threads, there's so much good stuff that happens on this forum. so, one more "worst ios ever" thread is just one more distraction (which i am admitting i spent too much time with). and i am not an apple apologist, i have long-standing issues with ios, and used to jailbreak my phones (which i sorta miss).

You know... ah I am not going to bother. I gave examples why it isn’t just my experience and how it is more widespread than you think but never mind. I have to question why you’re here in the first place then if you’re apparently having no issues? While the title of this thread is abit hyperbolic, I do agree with it that it is the worst iOS version in terms of bugs and sloppiness I have experienced. And like I said, no, I’m not saying it is everyone’s problem, but there are more and more people reporting similar on a daily basis, even Apple enthusiasts like iJustine who don’t usually question Apple that much.
If you look through these forums you'll see similar scale and similar level of long discussions about the early versions of pretty much most of iOS releases. Certainly a number of long ongoing threads about it in regards to iOS 11 already, just as there were in regards to iOS 10, and 9, and 8, and so on.

I did mention that in my post. I recall there being complaints about iOS 7, 8, 9, 10 etc. but from personal experience, iOS 11 seems to hold more merit with the experience I’ve been having with the notion that it is the worst in terms of bugs out of all of them. I can’t speak for 7 but I heard that was a s**tshow too, and that’s where I think the issues have steamrolled from since Apple redesigned it. It’s like it messed with the inner framework of the software and it’s been messy year after year ever since. There were some complaints about iOS 6 and prior too, but from experience I don’t recall as many performance issues or bugs when using those, and iOS 5 and 6 are still considered the pinnacles of iOS.

With iOS 11 though, there are countless YouTube videos, threads on here, articles from other sites, threads everywhere else saying how buggy it is and how it is the worst version they’ve ever used. So it’s not just from one persons ramblings who created this post. Will it get better? Probably, but having to wait for months worth of point updates just for a smooth sailing experience never used to be as prominent as it is now.
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Who does Tim think he is? He thinks he’s god or something and everyone is a conformist. Like you know why iOS has a lot of big UI interfaces and bolder fonts now? Because everyone there is getting old! Their eyesight has been slowly deteriorating since Steve died. And by having their eyesight get weakened, their vision has too. Their vision of Apple has become a blurred thing. It’s no longer how it was from the beginning. Steve was the man who changed the world, without Steve, there would be no iWork.

Although I realise your post is satire, it’s not that they’re getting old, it’s the thin fonts and blinding white space everywhere that they introduced with iOS 7 that have (literally) made them lose sight.
 
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Who does Tim think he is? He thinks he’s god or something and everyone is a conformist. Like you know why iOS has a lot of big UI interfaces and bolder fonts now? Because everyone there is getting old! Their eyesight has been slowly deteriorating since Steve died. And by having their eyesight get weakened, their vision has too. Their vision of Apple has become a blurred thing. It’s no longer how it was from the beginning. Steve was the man who changed the world, without Steve, there would be no iWork.
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This is what I've come to expect from Apple since Jobs death: everything they release seems to be a total disaster that should have never made it to market. Makes you wonder if they are thoroughly testing anything anymore or if part of their rollout scheme and a way to save money is to now roll things out not fully tested and have irate Apple users be their testing division so they hear from users how horrible their products have become. My iPhone6 is a total MESS since DOWNgrading to iOS11. Apple needs to fix ALL the issues with this OS. I've stopped counting everything on my phone that's screwing up, the list is THAT big.

This reminds me of downloading El Crapitan OS for my Mac. I had so many programs screwing up I was fortunate to be able to revert back to the previous OS. Now I'm terrified that any new OS will be another mess and refuse to download a new one until I hear from other users that the current OS is stable.

APPLE: what the hell happened to you? How could you completely lose sight of QUALITY and USER TESTING before releasing anything?? You are an embarrassment now.
Apple is really terrible without Steve Jobs
Apple is (well and truly) no longer Steve Job's company. Shame.
#bringbackapple
Ever since Steve Jobs passed Apple has gone downhill :(
apple keeps getting worse and worse
Missing Steve, Dissapointed in apple
 
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another sad post from someone who is complaining about how apple has been getting worse and worse, but is still buying the products. does not make one ounce of sense.

and before you say anything, i have an iphone 6 as well and have not had one "major' issue with ios 11 other than bugs in the beta builds. maybe its the user that causes the problems, or apps?? just a thought.
 
If you look through these forums you'll see similar scale and similar level of long discussions about the early versions of pretty much most of iOS releases. Certainly a number of long ongoing threads about it in regards to iOS 11 already, just as there were in regards to iOS 10, and 9, and 8, and so on.

It’s clear to me, that many should not be allowed to post on the forums with out their psychiatrist permission.
Or macrumors should have a mendatory phsycolagical test before you can start a new post/thread.

There are several forums that I’m a member of and they dont allow new members to post for 48 hours. It reduced spam and gave people to calm down before making an emotional post or thread. Works really well.
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Kind of resembles our society. Those who complain are heard more than those who are content.

And those that complain, rarely look for a solution beforehand.

“I bought a 3 ply toilet paper but I got 2 ply rolls. So I’m going to complain on the forums for a week instead of making an exchange at the local store like an adult would.”
 
Apple has lost a sense of principle since Jobs as Jobs was in the unique position as co-founder to drive principle over profit, while still recognising profit was necessary to secure its future. He had a healthy disregard for Wall Street and corporate culture. He was still a bit of a hippy at heart to the very end.

Tim Cook is none of these things. He seems to think profit and share price are the only measures of success. He has a personality as dry as a nun’s *%#*. His use of empty language is nauseating, not helped by that dry southern drawl.
 
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Apple has lost a sense of principle since Jobs as Jobs was in the unique position as co-founder to drive principle over profit, while still recognising profit was necessary to secure its future. He had a healthy disregard for Wall Street and corporate culture. He was still a bit of a hippy at heart to the very end.

Tim Cook is none of these things. He seems to think profit and share price are the only measures of success. He has a personality as dry as a nun’s *%#*. His use of empty language is nauseating, not helped by that dry southern drawl.

yes, tim cook is the only one who makes decisions at apple. yes, apple died when jobs passed. and a southern accent is unacceptable in a CEO, and should be ridiculed at every opportunity.

and here's where (finally, to the relief of some) i exit this forum; it's filled with absurd, bitter, and overly-caffeinated posts. i don't remember the forum being so juvenile in the past; probably a lot more iphone/ipad users than ever before, so, logically, a lot more whiners too. ugh.
 
It's not to say that folks are not having issues with iOS11 or haven't with other iOS's that came before it. I don't buy into the Job's is gone and Apple is dying nonsense, because the is exactly what it is.. pure nonsense. Anyone that doesn't think Steve Jobs wasn't driven by profit didn't really know Steve Jobs. He may not have been as wanting to kiss his board butt the way Cook does, but that was just who he was.

In regards to iOS11. I personally have just not experienced any issues. However, in all my years of using Apple products. I have learned with a new OS comes out to do a clean install. Start that sucker like its brand new. Add the apps I need and YES this is a pain in the butt to some degree, but this has always given me a great experience from OS to OS. If you bother to call Apple support and clearly many don't they just complain instead. The first thing they will have you do is reset your phone or iPad and setup it up as new. I have never worked for Apple, but I have had techs tell me that 90% of problems are resolved in doing this. But I guess its easier to just complain than to have to go through a new setup.

I will say that I don't particularly care of the large text and graphics in iOS11, but it does make it all look different and I am okay with that. Apple's principles are just fine too just more nonsense.
 
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Apple has lost a sense of principle since Jobs as Jobs was in the unique position as co-founder to drive principle over profit, while still recognising profit was necessary to secure its future. He had a healthy disregard for Wall Street and corporate culture. He was still a bit of a hippy at heart to the very end.

Tim Cook is none of these things. He seems to think profit and share price are the only measures of success. He has a personality as dry as a nun’s *%#*. His use of empty language is nauseating, not helped by that dry southern drawl.
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...l-apple-disaster.2077332/page-2#post-25215915
 
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Tbh, everyone commenting “works fine for me” is exactly part of the problem of how/why Apple has abandoned truly good UI and common sense UI. Why work on ease of use menus or fonts or making use of empty whitespace?...when it “works fine for me” don’t need good taste if no one really displays any...
 
Tbh, everyone commenting “works fine for me” is exactly part of the problem of how/why Apple has abandoned truly good UI and common sense UI. Why work on ease of use menus or fonts or making use of empty whitespace?...when it “works fine for me” don’t need good taste if no one really displays any...
Even if everyone here complained about things of that nature it would still be a tiny spec of a tiny drop in a huge ocean.
 
Tbh, everyone commenting “works fine for me” is exactly part of the problem of how/why Apple has abandoned truly good UI and common sense UI. Why work on ease of use menus or fonts or making use of empty whitespace?...when it “works fine for me” don’t need good taste if no one really displays any...

So you think by coming in this forum and complaining is going to get Apple to do it the way you think is should be done? The fact is that apparently the majority of us don't have an issue with iOS because there is a simple solution if we do. We don't buy Apple products, because at the end of the day a loss in sales is the only thing that is going to get Apple's attention. Join the beta's and make your feelings known, submit complaints directly to Apple via their web site. But complaining in this forum will get you nothing directly from Apple.

Everyone has to do what is in their own best interest and while I don't like the larger text and really wish we could get a true dark mode are those things bothersome enough for me to switch to Android? NOT A CHANCE!

So by all means... complain directly to Apple, get involved in the beta process and give feedback, but most of all if thing are just so bad.. walk a way...

Your opinion is just another opinion just like mine and I don't agree with your assessment of Apple.
 
This is what I've come to expect from Apple since Jobs death: everything they release seems to be a total disaster that should have never made it to market. Makes you wonder if they are thoroughly testing anything anymore or if part of their rollout scheme and a way to save money is to now roll things out not fully tested and have irate Apple users be their testing division so they hear from users how horrible their products have become. My iPhone6 is a total MESS since DOWNgrading to iOS11. Apple needs to fix ALL the issues with this OS. I've stopped counting everything on my phone that's screwing up, the list is THAT big.

This reminds me of downloading El Crapitan OS for my Mac. I had so many programs screwing up I was fortunate to be able to revert back to the previous OS. Now I'm terrified that any new OS will be another mess and refuse to download a new one until I hear from other users that the current OS is stable.

APPLE: what the hell happened to you? How could you completely lose sight of QUALITY and USER TESTING before releasing anything?? You are an embarrassment now.
Steve Jobs’ Apple has had major strings of quality failures like the first batch of PowerBooks shipping with a defective latch and whining fans. And many more. Please stop the revisionism.
 
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