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iOS 11.x.x Release Speculation Thread

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Mlrollin91 said:
I strongly disagree. If your message was lighthearted and joking around, you would have tagged the 20 people that agreed with my prediction, not just me. I'm not the only one who said not this week. So you singled me out.

This seems to be the habit around here, there are at least 5 different members that love to single me out, even if others make the same prediction or claim that I do.
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As I said the point it's not the speculation (right or wrong it can be) but the attitude you had making it: you even said it was 100% as you said and from your tone it felt like anyone proposing there was still a possibility Apple wouldn't do as you said clearly didn't know what he was talking about. I "singled you out" because you had this attitude, not the others who made the same prediction.
But honestly, you're taking this whole thing too seriously, for me it was just an ironic thing to notice, there's really no reason to get upset about it.
 
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WalterTizzano said:
As I said the point it's not the speculation (right or wrong it can be) but the attitude you had making it: you even said it was 100% as you said and from your tone it felt like anyone proposing there was still a possibility Apple wouldn't do as you said clearly didn't know what he was talking about. I "singled you out" because you had this attitude, not the others who made the same prediction.
But honestly, you're taking this whole thing too seriously, for me it was just an ironic thing to notice, there's really no reason to get upset about it.
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The only thing I said 100% for sure was not happening was the public beta coming out yesterday. Literally anyone could have posted that.

As I mentioned previously, if you are getting "attitude" off my posts thats because its almost impossible to read tone via text. There is no attitude intended. I am merely straight to the point type of person.
 
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Math889 said:
I have to admit . I was really surprised that Apple released iOS 11 beta 2 today
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Can't say I'm even thrilled. Was at least expecting an App Store fix in Beta 2 / Public Beta. Most people on Public Beta will not DFU restore, but update from OTA. It seems that a main way to fix the App Store is to DFU restore to a clean install of the beta.

RIP to the genius bars..
 
But PB1 has often come a day after DB1, hasn't it? It seems wrong to say we definitely won't get PB1 until next week. Especially with how stable developers are say DB2 is.
 
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JarScott said:
But PB1 has often come a day after DB1, hasn't it? It seems wrong to say we definitely won't get PB1 until next week. Especially with how stable developers are say DB2 is.
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Yes it has come the day after for a X.x.x release, not even a X.x release. So I personally don't think we will get it the day after for a X.0, but clearly I have been wrong.

But I don't think DP2 is all that stable in comparison to one. My App Store went from working to being a track wreck.
 
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Well. As previously mentioned. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. There is no way some random guy on Reddit knew 9 days ago that it was coming out yesterday. He has no more information than we do here and was just speculating. Which is the entire point of this thread.
 
Dwalls90 said:
Can't say I'm even thrilled. Was at least expecting an App Store fix in Beta 2 / Public Beta. Most people on Public Beta will not DFU restore, but update from OTA. It seems that a main way to fix the App Store is to DFU restore to a clean install of the beta.

RIP to the genius bars..
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whats wrong with your app store? mine is perfectly fine in Beta 2.... it had a few minor glitches in Beta 1 like the update screen but nothing too bad.
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Mlrollin91 said:
Well. As previously mentioned. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. There is no way some random guy on Reddit knew 9 days ago that it was coming out yesterday. He has no more information than we do here and was just speculating. Which is the entire point of this thread.
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Apple themselves probably didnt know 9 days ago lol.....
 
Mlrollin91 said:
Exactly! The Darwin date is June 13th, so 8 days. So Apple didn't know 9 days ago because it was still being compiled!
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Sorry but that's flimsy at best. At the software company I work at, we're currently dropping betas on a customer every ~2 weeks and we have drop dates lined up for months. Lots of software development is based on deadlines and release dates are often set - publicly or internally - weeks/months/years in advance.

Apple are probably on some kind of schedule - no doubt one that is flexible.
 
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Guys...what's our feeling about today? Only a couple hours before we know for sure. It wouldn't be overly far fetched, would it?
 
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GreyOS said:
Sorry but that's flimsy at best. At the software company I work at, we're currently dropping betas on a customer every ~2 weeks and we have drop dates lined up for months. Lots of software development is based on deadlines and release dates are often set - publicly or internally - weeks/months/years in advance.

Apple are probably on some kind of schedule - no doubt one that is flexible.
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They may have a release schedule in mind, but the build that we received yesterday was not even compiled on the day the redditor made their "prediction". So your argument is also based on speculation of how your software company conducts business. Mine may be flimsy at best, but yours is a logical fallacy.
 
So, as one of the leading "it won't come out until Monday," posters, I am amazed it came out yesterday.

At 10am Apple Time, I thought maybe there was a 10% chance it could come out. When I left for the day at 1pm Apple time (4pm my time), I was thinking about this not realizing it had come out. I thought the logic was sound: last year Apple released b2 3 weeks after b1, with PB1 later that week. Last year was the first year that Apple had a 3 week period between b1 and b2 of a .0 release. It seemed like that was the new norm. Apple saying "end of the month" for pb1 seemed to be a strong indication of that.

That said, at the back of my head I kept hearing that little voice: last year was the first year Apple did this with b1-b2. If Apple waits until the 26th for b2, then that's the new cycle, and it makes sense. That said, until that cycle happens, there's no reason Apple can't do something wonky "for the first time" like release a b2 at 1pm PST on a Wednesday.

I'm curious if Apple beat their own time estimates for how long they wanted stuff added to b2. I wouldn't expect a b3 on Monday, but as we've seen the last two years, the old way of measuring isn't valid any longer.
 
Brammy said:
So, as one of the leading "it won't come out until Monday," posters, I am amazed it came out yesterday.

At 10am Apple Time, I thought maybe there was a 10% chance it could come out. When I left for the day at 1pm Apple time (4pm my time), I was thinking about this not realizing it had come out. I thought the logic was sound: last year Apple released b2 3 weeks after b1, with PB1 later that week. Last year was the first year that Apple had a 3 week period between b1 and b2 of a .0 release. It seemed like that was the new norm. Apple saying "end of the month" for pb1 seemed to be a strong indication of that.

That said, at the back of my head I kept hearing that little voice: last year was the first year Apple did this with b1-b2. If Apple waits until the 26th for b2, then that's the new cycle, and it makes sense. That said, until that cycle happens, there's no reason Apple can't do something wonky "for the first time" like release a b2 at 1pm PST on a Wednesday.

I'm curious if Apple beat their own time estimates for how long they wanted stuff added to b2. I wouldn't expect a b3 on Monday, but as we've seen the last two years, the old way of measuring isn't valid any longer.
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I think the big one is the PB. I believe it will be next week because of the end of the month. Seems like a bad idea to push out PB 1 on Friday incase of major issues. As it is, people are having issues downgrading back to 10.3.2. Even Apple Genius Bar members can't downgrade people's devices. So I think this will prevent PB 1 this week. I'm sure all the Genius Bar members are contacting Apple engineers.
 
Mlrollin91 said:
They may have a release schedule in mind, but the build that we received yesterday was not even compiled on the day the redditor made their "prediction". So your argument is also based on speculation of how your software company conducts business. Mine may be flimsy at best, but yours is a logical fallacy.
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Haha mate, read carefully, I'm not making any positive claims about whether or not the prediction was based on legit information. I'm simply saying that to rule it out as legit information because it was supplied before the build date is simply wrong. You said Apple didn't know at that point. The fact is, they could have. I'm merely keeping the door open for it to have been a legit source of information, not claiming it is. For someone who loves to think they have a good grip on logic, you really are terrible at following an argument. I speculated about Apple's schedule as an aside.

Please take a step back on this.
 
GreyOS said:
Haha mate, read carefully, I'm not making any positive claims about whether or not the prediction was based on legit information. I'm simply saying that to rule it out as legit information because it was supplied before the build date is simply wrong. You said Apple didn't know at that point. The fact is, they could have. I'm merely keeping the door open for it to have been a legit source of information, not claiming it is. For someone who loves to think they have a good grip on logic, you really are terrible at following an argument. I speculated about Apple's schedule as an aside.

Please take a step back on this.
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I did read carefully, I read it twice before posting. What I am saying is that this random redditor had no way of knowing when the build will drop because there is a possibility Apple did not know when it was going to drop. Just because they are on a schedule doesn't mean it can't change, like you said flexible.

The reason why I claimed logical fallacy was because you used your company as an example to support your argument. Just because one company does it, does not mean another does, thats the logical fallacy. As I said, and agreed with you, my argument may be flimsy at best, but yours was a fallacy. If you didn't mention your own company and as an example, then my fallacy claim would be void.

I'm not trying to start something with you. I'm sick of the nonsense bickering in this thread. I was merely point out the flaw in your argument as you pointed out the flaw in mine. I think we've both said enough and should just let it go.
 
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JarScott said:
But PB1 has often come a day after DB1, hasn't it? It seems wrong to say we definitely won't get PB1 until next week. Especially with how stable developers are say DB2 is.
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I don't know about that. I thought I read there are some pretty significant issue still in the other threads like apps relaunching after you close them. It's usually Beta 3 that is pretty stable so I'm good waiting. It will probably be next week. Releases start to accelerate a bit after the DP2/3.
 
Nanotyrns said:
I don't know about that. I thought I read there are some pretty significant issue still in the other threads like apps relaunching after you close them. It's usually Beta 3 that is pretty stable so I'm good waiting. It will probably be next week. Releases start to accelerate a bit after the DP2/3.
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I'm actually worried PB1 will be delayed due to issues with DP2. This is why I was expecting DP1 to be in beta longer, making DP2 better for PB1 to meet the end of the month timeline.
 
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