iOS 11.x.x Release Speculation Thread

[robert1998]

I dont even know if thats possible. That would definitely be a first.

Considering beta 2 has a lot more bugs, I don t think it's impossible...

By the way, when we are talking about betas, there is a difference between a developer beta and a public beta? Or the pb is just a db released some time later?

 

[Mlrollin91]

PB 1 will problably be released today or tomorrow.

You think so? Even with the lack of downgrading? I'm being genuine, I want your ideas.
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Considering beta 2 has a lot more bugs, I don t think it's impossible...

By the way, when we are talking about betas, there is a difference between a developer beta and a public beta? Or the pb is just a db released some time later?

The PB is the same build number, just released after the DP.

 

[Math889]

I'm actually worried PB1 will be delayed due to issues with DP2. This is why I was expecting DP1 to be in beta longer, making DP2 better for PB1 to meet the end of the month timeline.

I didn't expect IOS 11 beta yesterday. Really, suprised me ! Wrong predictions!!
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This or they may choose beta 1 to be PB1

Of course NOT. DP2=PB1. Beta 1 NO!!!

 

[Dwalls90]

whats wrong with your app store? mine is perfectly fine in Beta 2.... it had a few minor glitches in Beta 1 like the update screen but nothing too bad.
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Apple themselves probably didnt know 9 days ago lol.....

See here:

https://forums.developer.apple.com/thread/78660?tstart=0

Basically, if you have ANY other profile installed, aside from the beta profile, the App Store back-end features don't function.

 

[Math889]

You think so? Even with the lack of downgrading? I'm being genuine, I want your ideas.
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The PB is the same build number, just released after the DP.

Apple said late June. Next beta , will problably be released in the first week of July. PB Will problably be released today or tomorrow

I don't think that Apple will release beta 3 next week . I think they will release a beta every two weeks . first week of July problably.. It doesn't make sense to release beta 3 and PB1 in the first week of July . Apple said that public beta testers will get the updates in the end of the month.

 

[Mlrollin91]

Apple said late June. Next beta , will problably be released in the first week of July. PB Will problably be released today or tomorrow

I don't think that Apple will release beta 3 next week . I think they will release a beta every two weeks . first week of July problably.. It doesn't make sense to release beta 3 and PB1 in the first week of July . Apple said that public beta testers will get the updates in the end of the month.

I agree with your timeline, but I'm concerned about the bug of not being able to downgrade being available to public testers. Genius Bar reps are unable to downgrade devices are are replacing the devices (according to another thread). This is exactly why DP goes out first and I feel like we may see a delay until DP 3 in July.

 

[Math889]

I agree with your timeline, but I'm concerned about the bug of not being able to downgrade being available to public testers. Genius Bar reps are unable to downgrade devices are are replacing the devices (according to another thread). This is exactly why DP goes out first and I feel like we may see a delay until DP 3 in July.

Well , I am waiting for beta 3 . So , for me , It doesnt make difference if they wont release public beta this month . It will be more stable ,usable , and less buggy than previous betas . It would be better if Apple change their plans and release PB1=DP 3 in July. I wont update until Apple release beta 3.

 

[Mlrollin91]

Well , I am waiting for beta 3 . So , for me , It doesnt make difference if they wont release public beta this month . It will be more stable ,usable , and less buggy than previous betas . It would be better if Apple change their plans and release PB1=DP 3 in July. I wont update until Apple release beta 3.

Because of this downgrade issue, I believe we will see a rushed DP3 next week with PB1. It has never happened before that DP2->3 was only 1 week for a X.0 release, but because of this being a rather big issue, it might be the first time. The DP2 yesterday changed things, and now this bug changes things even more. We then may see a 3 week build from 3->4.

 

[Math889]

Because of this downgrade issue, I believe we will see a rushed DP3 next week with PB1. It has never happened before that DP2->3 was only 1 week for a X.0 release, but because of this being a rather big issue, it might be the first time. The DP2 yesterday changed things, and now this bug changes things even more. We then may see a 3 week build from 3->4.

I agree .maybe because of downgrade issue , Apple may push beta 3 for next week and release PB1.If this happens, I will install iOS 11 next week .

 

[576316]

making DP2 better for PB1 to meet the end of the month timeline.

I know, for obvious reasons, it's important that any public beta is stable enough to be run relatively smoothly as a daily driver. But are we overestimating Apple's ability to care about this? I know the last thing they want is for public users to get a bad OS experience, but they do warn you multiple times about beta software not being finished and will have issues. So I'm not so sure they'd purposely delay the public beta just to make sure it was 100% stable. My only logic for this is that the do warn users about instability in beta software.

 

[Dwalls90]

I agree with your timeline, but I'm concerned about the bug of not being able to downgrade being available to public testers. Genius Bar reps are unable to downgrade devices are are replacing the devices (according to another thread). This is exactly why DP goes out first and I feel like we may see a delay until DP 3 in July.

Holy cow, really? That's a big issue. Even with DFUing the phone and restoring from iTunes? Pardon my ignorance as I haven't read up on this issue myself yet, I'm sure this has been attempted.

Because of this downgrade issue, I believe we will see a rushed DP3 next week with PB1. It has never happened before that DP2->3 was only 1 week for a X.0 release, but because of this being a rather big issue, it might be the first time. The DP2 yesterday changed things, and now this bug changes things even more. We then may see a 3 week build from 3->4.

I actually agree that if the above is a common issue (without DFU mode being a workaround), they'll have to rush DP3 for PB1 to still be released in late June, or PB1 will be pushed until early July (or mid, due to 4th holiday?).

Fingers crossed they fix the certificate and App Store back-end issue I mentioned above.. one of the worst beta bugs I've ever seen.

 

[Mlrollin91]

I know, for obvious reasons, it's important that any public beta is stable enough to be run relatively smoothly as a daily driver. But are we overestimating Apple's ability to care about this? I know the last thing they want is for public users to get a bad OS experience, but they do warn you multiple times about beta software not being finished and will have issues. So I'm not so sure they'd purposely delay the public beta just to make sure it was 100% stable. My only logic for this is that the do warn users about instability in beta software.

I agree, but the current issue is, there is no way to downgrade due to a bug. So they warn people and tell them to make a backup, but that is useless if you can't downgrade.

 

[Dwalls90]

I know, for obvious reasons, it's important that any public beta is stable enough to be run relatively smoothly as a daily driver. But are we overestimating Apple's ability to care about this? I know the last thing they want is for public users to get a bad OS experience, but they do warn you multiple times about beta software not being finished and will have issues. So I'm not so sure they'd purposely delay the public beta just to make sure it was 100% stable. My only logic for this is that the do warn users about instability in beta software.

Not being able to downgrade would fall into the catastrophic category. I'm sure the software developers are scrambling..

 

[Mlrollin91]

Holy cow, really? That's a big issue. Even with DFUing the phone and restoring from iTunes? Pardon my ignorance as I haven't read up on this issue myself yet, I'm sure this has been attempted.



I actually agree that if the above is a common issue (without DFU mode being a workaround), they'll have to rush DP3 for PB1 to still be released in late June, or PB1 will be pushed until early July (or mid, due to 4th holiday?).

Fingers crossed they fix the certificate and App Store back-end issue I mentioned above.. one of the worst beta bugs I've ever seen.

Yes, DFU mode isn't working for a lot of people. Some people are claiming success, but the majority are not. Even Apple Genius Bar reps can't get it to work.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/cant-downgrade-from-11-beta-2-to-10-3-2.2052583/

Apparently the workaround is to downgrade to Beta 1, then to 10.3.2. But thats not possible for PB if this is the build they get.

 

[stulaw11]

Were you saying? As we all tried to tell you past behaviours can't be used to predict future ones. They changed release pattern in the past, it happened again, it might happen in the future. There's nothing strange, and frankly I don't find it surprising.

As I said the point it's not the speculation (right or wrong it can be) but the attitude you had making it: you even said it was 100% as you said and from your tone it felt like anyone proposing there was still a possibility Apple wouldn't do as you said clearly didn't know what he was talking about. I "singled you out" because you had this attitude, not the others who made the same prediction.
But honestly, you're taking this whole thing too seriously, for me it was just an ironic thing to notice, there's really no reason to get upset about it.

Its ok, anyone who thought their mere guess was more valid than anyone else's is just

 

[Nanotyrns]

I know, for obvious reasons, it's important that any public beta is stable enough to be run relatively smoothly as a daily driver. But are we overestimating Apple's ability to care about this? I know the last thing they want is for public users to get a bad OS experience, but they do warn you multiple times about beta software not being finished and will have issues. So I'm not so sure they'd purposely delay the public beta just to make sure it was 100% stable. My only logic for this is that the do warn users about instability in beta software.

I think they do care and remember that aside from bug reporting from developers and public beta users they are also collecting massive amounts of usage statistics/diagnostic data if you're opted in. The last thing they want is all the Apple blogs to alert users to avoid the public betas at all costs because of problems and then cut off that flood of data.

The public betas for me have been as reliable as the GM. I've only ever experienced a few issues here and there with the biggest being maybe a particular app not yet being updated for each version by it's developer. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the public beta program has the added benefit of convincing some users to upgrade their device in the coming Fall when they find that the new iOS doesn't run as well on their current iPhone/iPad that Summer.

 

[robert1998]

As far as I tested, beta 2 seems not to be the right decision for PB1...

I am very curious what Apple will do next week...

 

[User 6502]

Does the line guidance in directions work for you? Speed limits are active in Maps since b1, but line guidance doesn't seem to work, or maybe it only works in some places

 

[robert1998]

Does the line guidance in directions work for you? Speed limits are active in Maps since b1, but line guidance doesn't seem to work, or maybe it only works in some places

Sorry, but I've downgraded to 10.3.2 so I can't tell you because I never tried that
I will reinstall iOS 11 when pb1 releases

 

[Mjmar]

Can anyone remember which iOS 10 developer beta ultimately became the first public beta? If it was developer beta 2 does that mean we can expect the iOS 11 public beta today?

 

[Menel]

1-2days after second or 3rd dev beta.

It'll come, when it comes...

 

[slimothy]

My best guess is this: iOS 10.3.3 released to the public on Monday, 1PM EST, with iOS 11 Beta 3 released on Tuesday to devs and public beta testers.

 

[TasheRAWR]

My best guess is this: iOS 10.3.3 released to the public on Monday, 1PM EST, with iOS 11 Beta 3 released on Tuesday to devs and public beta testers.

iOS 10.3.3 has already been released to the public

 

[Mlrollin91]

iOS 10.3.3 has already been released to the public

No it hasn't.. Beta 4 came out yesterday.

OP: We probably won't get a PB for iOS 11 until they fix the downgrade issue. PB1 probably would have come out Today or Monday, but I think they will be waiting until DP3 now.

 

[TasheRAWR]

No it hasn't.. Beta 4 came out yesterday.

OP: We probably won't get a PB for iOS 11 until they fix the downgrade issue. PB1 probably would have come out Today or Monday, but I think they will be waiting until DP3 now.

Oh sorry! I was just going off of this.
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...elopers-update-public-beta-available.2052737/

Edit: I thought he was talking about the Public Beta.