iOS 12 and planned obsolescence

[profets]

Why do uninformed people make comments, without an idea on how they work. Android phones have many more features than ios already baked into the phone. No update required. Also, the Google app would only need to be updated, not the whole OS. People who still say this really need to learn a thing or two.

Take it easy. I’ve been using Android phones as well since 2008. I’m just having fun with the comment I replied to.

In the end, Google announces so many things that rarely ever get used where Apple actually has updates go out.

 

[Michael Goff]

But planned obsolescence is about keeping support for older stuff and just making things work so badly on it all that people would get frustrated and would need to get something new.

Planned Obsolescence is whatever they want it to be so they can say Apple is bad.

 

[jonnyb098]

Realistically it's more or less how it works in many industries a lot of the time. New stuff gets optimized for new things and then some level of figuring out happens as to how much time and resources can be spent on optimizing things for older devices and testing it all against everything. Sometimes some do more while other do less, and sometimes it differs from release to release or year to year, depending on priorities and/or what else is going on internally and in the industry in general.

In the past there were many complaints over smoothness and performance on brand spanking new devices. iPhone 7 had weird issues I remember with iOS 10 with the home button lag for example. Split screen on the newest iPads was sometimes choppy as hell in iOS 9.

iOS 10.3 on an iPad pro 2017 was the smoothest iOS felt on an iPad in 5 years.

The point is when you release new stuff it should be smooth and stable on the newest devices and thats not always the case anymore since iOS 7. What they did for years is just keep throwing more processor horsepower at the problem and now all of the sudden they're getting their act together and getting major performance gains on 4 year old devices. It shows processor speed means nowhere near as much as its marketed. Their silicon team is amazing but totally underutilized by shotty software optimization.

It says a lot, both good and bad.

 

[C DM]

In the past there were many complaints over smoothness and performance on brand spanking new devices. iPhone 7 had weird issues I remember with iOS 10 with the home button lag for example. Split screen on the newest iPads was sometimes choppy as hell in iOS 9.

iOS 10.3 on an iPad pro 2017 was the smoothest iOS felt on an iPad in 5 years.

The point is when you release new stuff it should be smooth and stable on the newest devices and thats not always the case anymore since iOS 7. What they did for years is just keep throwing more processor horsepower at the problem and now all of the sudden they're getting their act together and getting major performance gains on 4 year old devices. It shows processor speed means nowhere near as much as its marketed. Their silicon team is amazing but totally underutilized by shotty software optimization.

It says a lot, both good and bad.

"Should be" is a good overall summary of that (realistically when it comes to pretty much anything out there).

 

[oldmacs]

But planned obsolescence is about keeping support for older stuff and just making things work so badly on it all that people would get frustrated and would need to get something new.

Planned obsolescence has multiple fronts.

 

[Royksöpp]

I find it interesting that Apple is featuring the SE and 6s on the iOS 12 page. If they don't release an SE2 or the 2018 line disappoints I might just keep my 6s and give iOS 12 a try. Overall I'm very impressed with the restraint. Less really is more and that better be reflected in performance.

 

[C DM]

Planned obsolescence has multiple fronts.

Well, it seems like the aspect of dropping older devices that won't perform well is planned obsolescence, while keeping them with the trade-off the they won't perform well is also planned obsolescence. Seems like the multiple fronts are along the lines of having your cake and eating it too.

 

[bill-p]

Kind of like things happened with iOS 7 and then 8 and 9, for example?

Allow me to introduce you to iOS 7, then 8, and then 9.

You guys are obviously not long-time iOS users then...

iOS 6 vs iOS 7

iOS 7 to 8 list of changes NOT advertised by Apple:
https://www.macworld.co.uk/review/i...ew-iphone-ipad-installation-problems-3529653/

iOS 8 to 9:
https://www.macworld.co.uk/review/i...s-typefaces-maps-homekit-wallet-news-3614543/

iOS 11 to 12? Siri and uh... shortcuts?

That's like 2 headlines. Add performance in for 3 and that's still significantly less than the other iterations.

 

[I7guy]

More power to Apple as iOS 12 b1 installed on my test 5s and actually worked.

My ken opinion is the conspiracy theorists that insert the square peg into a round planned obsolescence hole are way off base.

I do agree with the concept of planned obsolescence, but imo Apple does not slow down devices to increase sales.
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You guys are obviously not long-time iOS users then...

iOS 6 vs iOS 7

iOS 7 to 8 list of changes NOT advertised by Apple:
https://www.macworld.co.uk/review/i...ew-iphone-ipad-installation-problems-3529653/

iOS 8 to 9:
https://www.macworld.co.uk/review/i...s-typefaces-maps-homekit-wallet-news-3614543/

iOS 11 to 12? Siri and uh... shortcuts?

That's like 2 headlines. Add performance in for 3 and that's still significantly less than the other iterations.

Nobody in this forum (except those in the know who work at Apple) knows the full extent of what will be addressed by September. You can’t judge by a beta that’s been out for “10 minutes”.

 

[bill-p]

Nobody in this forum (except those in the know who work at Apple) knows the full extent of what will be addressed by September. You can’t judge by a beta that’s been out for “10 minutes”.

Apple doesn't typically try to shoehorn 10 more features into iOS when it's out of beta. Typically, only small things change in beta, and only when it's breaking too much.

Whatever Apple has announced is most likely what you'll see in the final release.

Now, you're right that I can't judge the "performance" of a beta that's only been out for 10 minutes (I have it installed on my phones, by the way, downloading the beta for my iPads), but I don't think I've seen new major features introduced. And the ones that have been introduced can barely be considered "major."

 

[bbednarz]

Why do uninformed people make comments, without an idea on how they work. Android phones have many more features than ios already baked into the phone. No update required. Also, the Google app would only need to be updated, not the whole OS. People who still say this really need to learn a thing or two.

His point is still valid. The poster he quoted is talking about a feature that will not be ready this year and is simply a concept. Apple talked about features that are available this September.

 

[I7guy]

Apple doesn't typically try to shoehorn 10 more features into iOS when it's out of beta. Typically, only small things change in beta, and only when it's breaking too much.

Whatever Apple has announced is most likely what you'll see in the final release.

Now, you're right that I can't judge the "performance" of a beta that's only been out for 10 minutes (I have it installed on my phones, by the way, downloading the beta for my iPads), but I don't think I've seen new major features introduced. And the ones that have been introduced can barely be considered "major."

There might be functions introduced in a later beta. Or features tied to new hardware that’s in the GM. So you are probably right, beta 1 is the tip of the iceberg.

 

[Regime2008]

His point is still valid. The poster he quoted is talking about a feature that will not be ready this year and is simply a concept. Apple talked about features that are available this September.

One new feature is not ready today from Google. But it's beyond anything Siri can do or announced to do. In Google assistants current iteration, it's more ahead of Siri. What innovative, new features will be available in September for Apple?

 

[bbednarz]

One new feature is not ready today from Google. But it's beyond anything Siri can do or announced to do. In Google assistants current iteration, it's more ahead of Siri. What innovative, new features will be available in September for Apple?

Shortcuts for one. I am looking forward to podcasts on my watch while I run. The competitions among friends looks like it could be cool too. That’s just off the top of my head.

I have Alexa throughout my house as well as a HomePod. Sure Alexa can do more, but there’s not much more it can do that I really care about or use. I just need it to control HomeKit/music. Occasionally I’ll ask about the weather or have it send a text.

That doesn’t have anything to do with the fact that the feature mentioned is not available this year and likely won’t be for awhile.

 

[macduke]

For all the years people have been claiming “new APIs” and “new features” are causing old phones to slowdown, I’d like to say that that theory is looking less and less believable. After the announcement of iOS 12, it’s more than possible to fully support older devices in their full potential.

Now that Apple has its PR backs against the wall with the battery throttle scandal, they magically created software capable of faster performance on older phones. This is the first time they have ever done this. Coincidence? I think not.

Apple loves when people update their devices, but they love their brand even more. Now that the brand is under attack, they are doing everything in their power to win over the trust of their consumers. iOS 12 is proof of this.

No, it's because the iPhone 5s is 64-bit. We've finally got devices fast enough to have staying power, like Macs that are supported longer as well, and Apple is also going through and optimizing their code ahead of a likely larger redesign next year. iOS 7 was a buggy mess and Apple doesn't want to repeat that. Optimization probably also helps them with slower devices such as Apple Watch. S0 couldn't be saved but hopefully this will help going forward.

 

[C DM]

You guys are obviously not long-time iOS users then...

iOS 6 vs iOS 7

iOS 7 to 8 list of changes NOT advertised by Apple:
https://www.macworld.co.uk/review/i...ew-iphone-ipad-installation-problems-3529653/

iOS 8 to 9:
https://www.macworld.co.uk/review/i...s-typefaces-maps-homekit-wallet-news-3614543/

iOS 11 to 12? Siri and uh... shortcuts?

That's like 2 headlines. Add performance in for 3 and that's still significantly less than the other iterations.

What does iOS 6 have to do with what was brought up?

And as for comparison between iOS 11 and 12, pretty sure there's going to be a healthy list of things there that won't differ in some sort of significant ways as far as how much is in it than something like the one between iOS 8 and 9, for example.
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Apple doesn't typically try to shoehorn 10 more features into iOS when it's out of beta. Typically, only small things change in beta, and only when it's breaking too much.

Whatever Apple has announced is most likely what you'll see in the final release.

Now, you're right that I can't judge the "performance" of a beta that's only been out for 10 minutes (I have it installed on my phones, by the way, downloading the beta for my iPads), but I don't think I've seen new major features introduced. And the ones that have been introduced can barely be considered "major."

Just like all kinds of people didn't see "major" features introduced by various different releases before, based on their own interests or needs.

 

[oldmacs]

Well, it seems like the aspect of dropping older devices that won't perform well is planned obsolescence, while keeping them with the trade-off the they won't perform well is also planned obsolescence. Seems like the multiple fronts are along the lines of having your cake and eating it too.

Go look up the definition of planned obsolescence.

Artifially slowing devices and not giving devices software updates are both examples. If you think 2010 and 2011 devices are incapable of performing well with a modern operating system, then you ignore the fact that windows 10 runs fine on them, and funnily enough on 2007 and 2008 era devices which Apple dropped in 2012.

 

[eatrains]

The more things change...

 

[_Refurbished_]

Go look up the definition of planned obsolescence.

Artifially slowing devices and not giving devices software updates are both examples. If you think 2010 and 2011 devices are incapable of performing well with a modern operating system, then you ignore the fact that windows 10 runs fine on them, and funnily enough on 2007 and 2008 era devices which Apple dropped in 2012.

Amen.
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The more things change...

What’s your point? Planned obsolescence isn’t new to Apple. That IS the point.

 

[I7guy]

Go look up the definition of planned obsolescence.

Artifially slowing devices and not giving devices software updates are both examples. If you think 2010 and 2011 devices are incapable of performing well with a modern operating system, then you ignore the fact that windows 10 runs fine on them, and funnily enough on 2007 and 2008 era devices which Apple dropped in 2012.

Planned obsolescence is the balance of durability vs cost for consumer products. No more, no less.

Citing intel chips which have a longer lifespan than mobile chips is not an apple to apple comparison. In addition Windows 10 is nothing more than a re-skinned windows Xp.

 

[oldmacs]

Planned obsolescence is the balance of durability vs cost for consumer products. No more, no less.

Citing intel chips which have a longer lifespan than mobile chips is not an apple to apple comparison. In addition Windows 10 is nothing more than a re-skinned windows Xp.

Planned obsolescence is artificially shortening the life of a product . This can be through software or hardware.

And if you read what I wrote, I was comparing windows on Intel to Mac OS on intel. Not iOS. .

 

[I7guy]

Planned obsolescence is artificially shortening the life of a product . This can be through software or hardware.

And if you read what I wrote, I was comparing windows on Intel to Mac OS on intel. Not iOS. .

Planned obsolescence is the design and manufacture of products so these products are cost effective. It’s not about the “planned obsolescence “ meme.

If you read what I wrote I was saying the reason windows 10 still runs on old intel chips is that windows 10 is a re-skinned windows xp.

 

[oldmacs]

Planned obsolescence is the design and manufacture of products so these products are cost effective. It’s not about the “planned obsolescence “ meme.

If you read what I wrote I was saying the reason windows 10 still runs on old intel chips is that windows 10 is a re-skinned windows xp.

That isn’t the definition of planned obsolescence. It is not about cost effectiveness, it is about artificially shortening the lifespan of a device for financial gain through upgrades.

Yeah 10 is a Re skin of XP in the same way that Mojave is a reskin of Tiger.

 

[C DM]

Go look up the definition of planned obsolescence.

Seems like with the convenient shifting of definitions based on situation, the one that ultimately applies appears to be the one that someone mentioned earlier:

Planned Obsolescence is whatever they want it to be so they can say Apple is bad.

 

[oldmacs]

Seems like with the convenient shifting of definitions based on situation, the one that ultimately applies appears to be the one that someone mentioned earlier:

There is no convenient shifting of definitions.

Planned obsolescence has always involved slowing down devices, and dropping device support arbitrarily.

Certain people here seem to be ignoring that in order to make sure their precious apple doesn’t receive a drop of criticism (as usual).