Make the update available and let me decide whether I want it or not. That's how Android and Windows works and how iOS and WatchOS should work.
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iOS 12 and planned obsolescence
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Pretty sure that even those have some requriements as to what's needed to install certain versions/updates (assuming those versions/updates are even made available to begin with).
Exactly right. It just shows all along that you can easily make an iOS that performs well on older devices, they just weren’t doing it. As you said, no coincidence that the very year they get caught in the act, they happen to release an iOS where backwards performance improvements are a key feature.
It’s welcome but just shows they could have done it if they wanted to.
Like many things out there, it can be done, but it doesn't mean that it can be done easily or without a cost (not just a monetary one) and/or trade offs of some sort.
Then get ready to junk all 1GB iOS devices next year.
Planned Obsolescence existed till yesterday. But after seeing yesterday’s keynote, I am convinced that Apple has really changed it’s direction and now PO does not exist for the time being. I mean there is nothing to argue about.
I had a serious issue with home button lag to close an app if it has loaded fully. But now I have gone past that and accepted it. Hopefully I will totally get over it when I finally upgrade to iPhone X11 this fall because there will be no more home button. Just more RSI / Carpal Tunnel based pain due to over use of gestures
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I’m convinced that there are two groups of people that believe in planned obsolescence:
People who don’t know how coding works
People who have an agenda
People who don’t know how coding works
People who have an agenda
I had to upgrade from the Mini 2 to the Mini 4 late last year because IOS 11 DRASTICALLY slowed down my iPad.
On an Nexus 5 and 7 I could change to any version I want using Wugfresh Nexus Toolkit. On Windows 10, there is an explicit setting which allows downgrades and upgrades.
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Planned Obsolescence is not a meme.
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2...group-leads-apple-probe-planned-obsolescence/
https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/france-investigates-planned-obsolescence/
Paris consumer protection group leads Apple probe over ‘planned obsolescence’
Tech giant to be investigated for possible "fraud," as landmark French law in 2015 made built-in expiry of products illegal
Planned obsolescence is a widely criticized commercial practice in which manufacturers build in the expiry of their products so that consumers will be forced to replace them.
It is decried by consumer groups as unethical and is suspected of particular prevalence in the electronics industry, which produces mountains of unrecyclable waste each year.
To tackle the problem, France passed landmark legislation in 2015 known as “Hamon’s law” which made the practice illegal and — in theory — obliged retailers to say whether replacement parts were available.
The law, named after former Socialist minister Benoit Hamon, stipulates that a company found to be deliberately shortening the life of its products can be fined up to 5 percent of its annual sales while executives can face up to two years in jail.
Planned obsolescence is a touchy subject for any tech lover. No one likes the idea that their time with their new tech toy is somehow limited — and the concern that a corporation may be pulling strings to make your tech slower and force you to upgrade sooner is one that appeals to conspiracy nuts and normal folks alike. And when it comes to this issue, Apple has usually gotten the worst of it over the years. The Cupertino, California giant was recently forced to admit that yes, tech does exist that slows down older iPhones, but Apple claims it’s for the overall good of the consumer.
It appears that Apple’s explanation isn’t good enough to fly in France, which has begun an investigation of Apple. France has some tough laws against planned obsolescence, with a maximum sentence of two years imprisonment and up to 5 percent of a company’s annual turnover. With a company the size of Apple, that’s likely to be in the billions.
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Its been proven that they weren't optimising for older devices all these years as this is the first iOS version in at least 7 years where the first build performs on par or better than the last build of the previous release . In fact they still haven't yet optimised all iOS devices. On the iPhone 5s and 6, iOS 12 is faster than iOS 11.4
On iPhone 6s and 7, its on par with iOS 11.4 or slightly faster than iOS 11.4 which indicates more optimisation is needed which will be finished by iOS 12.3
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I will never take anyone claiming Apple does PO seriously when there are Android vendors out there that only ship updates for 1-2 years max, yet no one talks about that. I‘ve seen new devices that got dropped not even a year after their launch.
Someone should investigate these vendors. I know they aren‘t developing their own OS but still, it‘s ridiculous.
Someone should investigate these vendors. I know they aren‘t developing their own OS but still, it‘s ridiculous.
Every major Android flagship does get updates for 2 years albeit delayed. However Updates are not as important in Android as in iOS. In Androidland, majority of those App updates Apple was talking about as new in iOS 12 could be easily updated through the Play Store. Security fixes are a problem but if updates are a priority, just get a Pixel.
I actually like this decoupled mechanism as it's faster to push updates through Play Store rather than an OS update.
By the definition of a meme. Something repeated so often becomes almost “common knowledge “, whether or not there is any real substance to it. Which their is no proof as Apple purposely slows down their devices to foster sales.
But there is, as my devices, those who have made threads here, and the above YT videos. iOS 12 is the only release in a decade where 12.0 is comparable to 11.4.1. Otherwise by now this forum is flooded with excuses about how a X.0 release cannot be compared with X.4.
The reason iOS 12 exists is because of customer complaints about lags and performance drops.
Don't forget Throttlegate either and Touch Disease
None of that addresses any of the core points and you are continuing to prove it’s a meme. Remember the benchmarks that prove Apple doesn’t slow down iOS from one release to another?
Asking this after saying how lots of things are proven when nothing of the sort is the case? Ironic, among other things.
You missed the point entirely. iPhone OS 1-2 was major (App Store). iPhone OS 3 was major since I had to pay for it. iOS 4-6 were compartively minor, each building on the last (with Siri and quick replies being major additions).
iOS 7 was a major rewrite, a new chapter, with 8 and 9 being subchapters to continue with the metaphor.
As for not being a long time iOS user... I've been an iOS users since it was iPhone OS.
Its already proven. You are in denial. Trapping devices on particular iOS versions with no way back is the proof. My iPad Pro is currently on iOS 10. If I update to iOS 12, there is a chance it will become slower and battery life may get reduced. The only solution in such a case? Buy a new iPad. Hence I need to resort to workarounds like that tvOS beta profile and tha tannoying red badge on Settings
What's been proven in many different threads is that the use of "proven" has been so off so many times that the word has been devalued to such a degree that it almost means the opposite when it's being used. And in most of those instances it basically doesn't even matter what else is behind said as the misleading misuse of it undervalues it all.
What benchmarks?
There are countless measurements and comparisons showing iOS slowing down between versions. iOS 11 has been a disaster, and it wasn't till 11.3 that it became comparable to 10. 10 was pretty good from the beginning, either equal or better than 9 performance.
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So you're the arbiter of what is proven and not? Gotta make sure no one insults dear Apple.
Is that why there were plenty of iOS 10 threads full of people complaining about lag here or there, framedrips, microstutters, etc., etc., etc.?
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Usually logic and facts are. And the context of this particular aspect of discussion is deeply rooted across many discussions with the same people across a number of years where all that is demonstrated more than clearly.
But, not at all unexpectedly things went down the path of an overgeneralized ad hominem argument, which basically undermines anything that might have been said or would be said.
Because some people experienced them. Comparing clean installs of iOS 9 to iOS 10 showed a minimal decrease in performance compared to iOS 11 or iOS 9 for example.
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Oh please, plenty of people on 'your side' of this argument are fine to ignore both of those.
So because plenty of people might that means everyone does or that it's fine to do that? And of course people have to be either on one side or another as if somehow nothing else exists in reality except absolute extremes. This is about as silly as it all usually gets when things are actually pressed and the rhetoric quickly dissipates leaving just that.
To be honest, phones do slow down with every update. After the battery fiasco, this is Apple's attempt to defuse the situation. Let's hope it's not a blip and it carries on.
Not it doesn't but you are suggesting that your point is correct because people on the side that I am arguing are supposedly making things up.
Well its pretty hard to have a discussion about Apple slowing down devices without either saying they do or they don't...
I think its about as silly as it gets when people start ignoring the argument and start deflecting off into "ad hominem argument" accusations.