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iOS 12 and planned obsolescence
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Yes. I agree. I'm impressed that for the first time the first beta is either as fast as or faster than the stable released version.
This is very rare, and either points to laziness in optimisation, useless coding or the decision to not optimise in the past with iOS releases.
Yup. I believe because they were caught slowing phones down, regardless of their excuse, planned obsolescence has been reverted. Will it carry on though? or will next year things be back to normal!
Yup, silly indeed when there really isn't anywhere to go except the ad hominem path (and even sillier still to then try to use it circularly to go deeper down the ad hominem path when it gets called out).
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Whats unbelievable is that these guys deny visual evidence. This is the first time in a decade that iOS 12.0 is actually faster than 11.4.1, conveniently, after all the uproar regarding Throttlegate, Touch Disease. Its clear the only reason they did it was to earn some goodwill. Mark my words, once Apple reverts to their old habits in iOS 13, these same guys will turn around and tell us "Never compare the last version of a previous OS with the first version of a new OS".
@cdm I am still waiting for an answer on whats my course of action if a particular release slows down my device
Tim Cook reiterated that consumers are the focus of Apple. While Apple ALWAYS uses this segment in their keynotes, it seemed different this time.
Kinda like “Hey we’ve always said that consumers are the focus, but this time we’re really going to act on it.”
Microsoft had the same eureka moment with Windows Vista. No one wanted to buy software that required updated hardware. Since Vista, Windows has run exceptionally well on older rigs....something Apple users haven’t been willing to accept. Instead, Apple users claim “product lifecycle” as an excuse. The silicon being used in modern phones is plenty capable of running iOS 11 at full speed.
Next thing Apple needs to address is the keyboard woes of the MacBook.
They can do it. They just CHOOSE not to, so that the customers with older devices upgrade. Something I hate Apple for and which is done by many companies. In GPUs, NVIDIA particularly does it with their drivers.
Remember if you are happy with an older device, why would you upgrade?
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Windows 10 is actually easier to run than Windows 7. They removed Aero and all the graphical transparency effects so it would run on tablets. Windows 7 was far more graphically demanding
That's not my experience with Win10. I deployed hundreds of PCs, laptops and tablets which were working fine with Win7, are slow and sluggish with Win10. Maybe for a home pc with a beast of a graphic card and SSD it's ok but for office computers, low to mid laptops, it's much worse than Win7.
I don’t think apple does this step because of the battery gate.
They are always ahead others in most things and i think they have realised that the majority of people aren’t willing to buy new phones annually or every two years, but the trend is going towards using the hardware as long as possible.
Basically, Apple had no new ideas, iOS is about other things than hardware, it’s about data security and long time support for older devices.
It is a turn over to software, away from hardware. They cannot compete with manufacturers like huawai or xiaomi, if they don’t make a step ahead softwarewise.
In future more and more people will buy looking after data security, and android simply does not offer this and might never do if Google does not make a complete turn of their business strategy.
As of still most people can’t afford high end phones (the sucess of the SE showed were the big market is, this and the older models still have higher sales than 8 and X) or don’t want to renew annually, Apple can turn the market share towards them by making iOS available for older, more affordable iPhone versions.
They also lure more people to buy their cloud data services and optional hardware like apple tv, homepod etc. .
Or does anybody believe Apple sees their future in presenting emojis and these stupid ar games?
They are always ahead others in most things and i think they have realised that the majority of people aren’t willing to buy new phones annually or every two years, but the trend is going towards using the hardware as long as possible.
Basically, Apple had no new ideas, iOS is about other things than hardware, it’s about data security and long time support for older devices.
It is a turn over to software, away from hardware. They cannot compete with manufacturers like huawai or xiaomi, if they don’t make a step ahead softwarewise.
In future more and more people will buy looking after data security, and android simply does not offer this and might never do if Google does not make a complete turn of their business strategy.
As of still most people can’t afford high end phones (the sucess of the SE showed were the big market is, this and the older models still have higher sales than 8 and X) or don’t want to renew annually, Apple can turn the market share towards them by making iOS available for older, more affordable iPhone versions.
They also lure more people to buy their cloud data services and optional hardware like apple tv, homepod etc. .
Or does anybody believe Apple sees their future in presenting emojis and these stupid ar games?
It wasn't that they didn't have ideas for iOS 12. iOS 12 was originally supposed to have a redesigned home screen and plenty of gamechanging features. One notable absence was of Dark Mode at the keynote for iOS whilst they introduced it for MacOS which seems odd as Apple would want to introduce both at the same time. Some traces were found in the beta documentation of iOS 12 which indicates they were working on it but decided not to after the nightmare that was iOS 11, and with these gate issues popping up and local newspapers kept running headlines on how Apple was intentionally slowing down older phones to the point even the average joe started to know about it, they decided focusing on software and pleasing their customers would do well for their long term sales.
I have seen videos comparing iOS 12 and iOS 10 and while it's still not there yet for a Beta 1 that is impressive. This proves Apple can optimise for older hardware if they want to. Sad fact is, it took all these issues in iOS 11 to surface before they had some sense knocked into them.
Where is everyone now blaming lack of device power for slowness? It was obvious from the beginning they didn't want to put in the effort required to optimize. Planned obsolescence? I'm not sure. What I am pretty confident about, is that Apple probably thought, I'm adding features, that's enough. I won't bother spending time and resources optimizing for older devices. They run how they run, and I'm giving you the features, so shut up and don't complain.
What didn't help, though, is Apple pushing updates every single second. Not only through those nags. Through support too. AirDrop wasn't working on my Mac with my iPhone 6s on iOS 9.3.3. I contacted Apple. First question - even before asking if AirDrop was on - was my iPhone's iOS version. They immediately told me to update. I refused, and they told me there was nothing I could do.
AirDrop started working again on its own a few days later.
I never understood this notion that Apple intentionally degrades your experience to get you to upgrade. If I have a crappy experience the last thing I’d want to do is purchase more products/services from the company providing that crappy experience. Maybe there are some people heavily involved in the iOS ecosystem where it would be too costly to switch platforms but I’m guessing that’s a small minority of the install base. Apple always has to assume people will leave if the experience is bad.
I can’t say iOS 12 is faster than iOS 11.4.1 on my devices. I can say it’s not slower. My impression is iOS 11 is better than iOS 10, which was better than iOS 9.
People buy Apple products because of the ecosystem which is why Apple gets away with anything it can do. Microsoft has a tablet but no phone or watch. Google has the phone part nailed but lacks a tablet and Watch. They literally removed the tablet section from the website a few days ago. Apple has all 3
I somehow doubt the majority of iPhone owners don't own an iPad. I already see the Watch everywhere in public.
Not true of me, I buy because I like the products period
I use Windows at work and I had an Android phone for work in the past
When I have a choice and I am paying, I buy Apple because I prefer the product and the OS/iOS
I have a Mac (2) and an iPhone but no iPad and no Apple Watch (I have no need for either)
No its actually faster. FaceID on the X unlocks faster. The keyboard pops up faster. The input lag on the iPhone 6 is gone. That weird stutter in the Settings- Wallpaper while scrolling is gone. Its definitely faster and the YouTube videos mainly show this. Its the first time in these speed tests iOS 12.0 is actually beating or at the very least matching 11.4.1 in speed. By the time we reach 12.3 the difference will be even greater.
Compare this to the planned obsolescence test EverythingApplePro did a few days ago. iOS 11 was dead last. Just look at that 5s go on iOS 7. The App Store launches as fast as on my iPhone X on iOS 7.
iOS 10>iOS 12>iOS 11
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The main reason I buy an iPhone because of the integration between iPhone,iPad and Watch. The day Google comes out with a proper iPad competitor and a Pixel Watch, I would switch in a heartbeat because I personally prefer Google's update policy over Apple and imho Android updates on Nexus and Pixel do not slow down the system as much as iOS does to iPhones
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Yeah if you want to visit an Apple Store, you are SOL if you want to keep your phone on an older iOS version. If you want the battery replaced, they will update your phone and only then do it.
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Which has been pretty much a given considering that's how most industries typically work and have pretty much always worked.
That's not true. All companies do not operate in the same manner. AMD R9 290X aged better than the NVIDIA GTX 970 and I say this as an owner of the latter. AMD's drivers are optimised for older hardware while NVIDIA's are not which is why now the 290X is competing with the 980 despite being 970's counterpart. NVIDIA also did this with the 780 Ti. NVIDIA does this so owners of older GPUs upgrade while AMD doesn't because they just cant afford to lose customers with their marketshare at this point.
I do agree Apple is not the only company which engages in planned obsolescence.
Weighing time and resources when it comes to prioritizing older technology for optimizations isn't the same as maliciously conspiring to specifically degrade something. We are back to the simplicity of basic logic yet again.
YouTube videos are more anecdotal opinions. It’s within the realm of normality that different devices perform similar functions differently across various iOS releases. Apple typlically provides speed enhancements in certain areas such as the JavaScript engine in iOS 9.
iOS 11.4.1b1 is better than iOS 10 on my 5s.
Planned obsolescence is just a meme at this point in time.
They don't need to specifically do something to slow it down. They simply add the features and intentionally do not optimise it for the older gen. NVIDIA did this in Crysis 3 where they forced absurd amounts of tessellation on their older cards so they would perform slower.
Cost vs benefit is absurd for the world's most valuable company. They only have to support like 7-8 iPhone models. Microsoft and Google do it for millions of different configurations
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This is the first video in a decade where THE FIRST DEV BETA version of a new OS surpasses the final version of a previous OS in speed. This is also replicated on my own devices and in Apple's testing
This is also the first time Apple specifically calls out the iPhone 6 and 5S as faster on iOS 12. They have never done this before. This is Apple countering planned obsolescence head on. We will see if they have learned their lesson by iOS 13
iOS 11 absolutely ruined my 7 Plus and I was able to salvage my 2nd Gen Pro in the nick of time before they pulled the plug on iOS 10. My 1k+ tablet is on a 2 year old OS. Planned Obsolescence is real which is why we now have Apple even commenting on it in the first page.
I also do not like the fact that they pulled the plug on the S0 watch after just 2.5 years
We’re back to different devices and different functions. Overall iOS 11.4.1b1 is stellar on my devices. But it seems that all of these opinions are fairly consistent with past history.
Call my cynical - but one of the main reasons Apple could have decided to "show good will" by making iOS 12 run on older devices - They're still shipping older devices.
How would it look it iOS 12 came out, and you couldn't run it on something a user can still buy at an Apple Store - the Pad Mini. - It's old (A8) and new (you can buy one today). How would Apple explain to a customer that something they bought brand new August couldn't be run in September.
They couldn't! Same is true for the iPhone SE...
So, I welcome the idea of my iPad Mini 4 running faster, but I'll reserve judgement until we see more of what iOS 13 does.
How would it look it iOS 12 came out, and you couldn't run it on something a user can still buy at an Apple Store - the Pad Mini. - It's old (A8) and new (you can buy one today). How would Apple explain to a customer that something they bought brand new August couldn't be run in September.
They couldn't! Same is true for the iPhone SE...
So, I welcome the idea of my iPad Mini 4 running faster, but I'll reserve judgement until we see more of what iOS 13 does.