Except that can't be the reason because for people like me, the Apple Watch got support for only about 2 years for something which costed as much as an iPad. And they made it obnoxiously slow. This left a very sour taste in my mouth honestly. The slowness didn't really bother me as I didn't use it as much except for the odd app here and there but I would have preferred 5 year support. Which is why I am still considering my decision to get a new one or not although I most likely will as I am used to glancing at my wrist for notifications.
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iOS 12 and planned obsolescence
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You can’t revert planned obsolescence. Either as people claim it’s a thing or not a thing. I’m still waiting for proof Apple intentionally slowed down devices to increase sales.
The fact that you believe Apple when one of their executives says planned obsolescence does not exist(obviously he will deny it) indicates you will deny proof even if presented outright in front of you. My 7 Plus and iPad Air 2 were ruined on iOS 11. I am just happy throttlegate knocked some sense into them and these devices get some decent treatment before retirement . And those discounted batteries of course.
I am still waiting on Apple to restore my 7 Plus and all of my older devices to the performance I rightfully paid for. If Apple doesn't have the resources to optimise older devices, give me the option to revert to a usable device. Microsoft and Google already do this. If this option is not given, your intentions are perfectly clear in my eyes and hrottlegate and Touch Disease do not inspire any confidence.
In the meantime, the tvOS beta profile is being installed on all devices the moment iOS 12.3 is reached. I am extremely happy with the strategy on my iPad Pro running iOS 10 and will replicate it on my other iDevice s before Apple ruins them to force me to upgrade like they did the Watch and the tablet.
In the meantime, the tvOS beta profile is being installed on all devices the moment iOS 12.3 is reached. I am extremely happy with the strategy on my iPad Pro running iOS 10 and will replicate it on my other iDevice s before Apple ruins them to force me to upgrade like they did the Watch and the tablet.
If I will deny proof you will believe anything? Is this the way it works?
iOS 12 has been in development for a year. They had probably planned this release two years ago. Your timeline doesn’t track.
They update even if you explicitly tell them not to? (I.e, if you update then tell me because I'm not servicing my device, changing the battery, etc)
That agrees with me more than disagrees - Apple stopped selling the Watch S0 - sorry to those Edition buyers - but this left the door open to them not taking those early adopters into consideration... I handed my down to a relative and hopped on the upgrade train, just as, I'd presume, Apple wanted.
I think for a few years there it had a lot to do with transferring over to the 64-bit chips. I can't be certain, but I wouldn't be surprised if it is easier to support all the same devices as iOS 11 simply because they are all 64-bit. Nothing magical about it. Apple can focus it's efforts on whatever features they want. This year they decided to focus on maximizing device performance all across the line. Notice iOS 12 is lacking in the number of new features compared to previous years. This new focus is most likely because of the bad press about throttling and battery power, but that doesn't mean there is some sort of scandal going on. Of course they are doing everything in their power to win over the trust of their customers. That's how they make money and stay in business.
What about the iPhone 3G, 3GS, etc? Those were designed with 32 bit in mind for their respective softwares and fared far worse than current devices, in terms of running on dated software.
Its not a question of believing or not believing because I can see what’s wrong with my own devices and this is replicated in those YouTube videos. Your comments about your own devices apply to you and only you. That does not in any way mean planned obsolescence does not exist as clearly there is a section of Apple customers who are affected and planned obsolescence doesn't need to affect all customers to be proven to exist. Heck throttlegate wasn't affecting all customers yet Apple admitted to its existence.
The proof is the devices and the videos which you dismiss as anecdotes. FYI, even Apple could have dismissed those throttling iPhones as anecdotes too.
They did plan it out s long time ago but they shifted their strategy after the mess that was ios 11. Dark Mode and Home screen resident rumoured for iOS 12 was shifted to 13.
There is hardly anything new in iOS 12 despite adding more than iOS 11 so it's no surprise it performs like it does. I can hardly tell much of a difference between 11.4 and 12. They doubled down on performance to win goodwill after Throttlegate and Touch Disease. Notice the phone they focused on was an iPhone 6, the worst iPhone in the history of Apple.
Before replacing the battery, they insist on running a diagnostic test and if your phone is on an older version like iOS 9 or 10 they would deny a battery replacement till you update the device. Your only option is to get the battery replaced from a third party store. That's what I am going to do when my iPad battery kicks the bucket in a few years because by that time iOS 15 will be out and it will perform like crap on my iPad.
At the end of the day, Apple wants to force you to use a slow laggy OS if you want any form of service from their end. Updating the device is the first course of action from them whenever you request any form of service.
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They didn't stop selling it. It was available in my nearby store when it had 2 years of life remaining. 2 years for 400 bucks is not the least bit economical. They had only 1.5 years of extra support compared to the Moto 360 and we know how crap Moto is at updating under Lenovo.
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And we will be back to squate one with 13 with the rumoured iOS redesign. By that time customers will have forgotten about throttling so they can revert to their old habits. I hope this isn't what happens but it's what I believe will happen.
? Apple admitted it slowed down the phones due to battery degradation. Only, they never told anyone they were doing this, and those who went to Apple store were not told about it. If you didn't know about it and the stores didn't know about it, it could be assumed the iPhone is slow, needs replacing.
How many sales do you think were generated through people assuming their phone was slow and it needs replacing? I would estimate millions! According to Apple if the battery has a problem, slow the whole thing down. I have many Li-ion devices with batteries many years old (macbook pro battery was 7 years old) and guess what? no cpu throttled. Older iPhones. No throttle.
Of course the Apple guy will joke about it and say no way would they plan to do this. If he admitted it, can you imagine what would happen? Trust in Apple would be gone!
So, now they are all about focus on performance! The iPhone 5S gets an upgrade to iOS12 and what a surprise, after the whole slow down incident, iOS12 is faster on it than iOS11.
Apple know exactly what they are doing! They won't admit anything though! (I wouldn't expect them to anyway).
Another point to note about Apple and planned obsolescence. They dropped support for 2010 Macs with MacOS Mojave. Meanwhile my Dell from 2009 is running Windows 10 fabulously.
Power management is not planned obsolescence. You can’t prove the mindset of why people buy phones.
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Sorry those videos prove what ones confirmational bias wants them to prove. Your comments about your devices apply to you and you alone. That’s what bias is. Either planned obsolescence exists or it doesn’t exist. One could believe it exists and conjecture about proof, but as greg j. says, no way.
If a phone's CPU speed is more than halved with the manufacturer not telling anyone, you'd think the phone was faulty or slow to use, prompting an upgrade.
Power management is not planned obsolescence, but the way it was implemented behind everyone's back by Apple was. Purposely slowing the phone down, knowing the majority of users will think the phone is duff is planned obsolescence. I know so many technical and non-technical people who have the iPhone, managed to get it restored back to factory settings and it was still slow.
They took to an Apple store and were advised:
- it's old (2 year old, old?)
- it's not the latest tech, they do slow down
- it seems slower because it's old
- the latest updates always make it slow (no way to downgrade)
- the apps are more demanding now (even though phone has been restored with just stock apps)
- they just seem slow because the new iPhones are so damn quick
These were 1-2 year old phones.
Now Apple are telling everyone iOS12 makes even the iPhone 5S quicker than it was on iOS11. So, why is that? Is it because they were purposely slowed down?
How do we know the CPU has been reduced? How do we know the battery is duff? There is no indication via the phone. Apple stores used to advise replacing the phone.
Obviously now they have been caught they will advise replacing the battery, but did they before? from my own experience and those with iPhones I spoke to, no. They were advised to buy a new phone.
If that wasn't planned obsolescence, I don't know what is.
You still can’t orove the mindset of a buyer and don’t really know if the communication at the Apple store was intentional or ineptitude.
My 6s was allegedly slow and there was no way I was upgrading my phone until I felt it was the right time.
This most important point is the planned obsolescence meme, one still can’t prove that Apple purposefully slowed down phones to trick customers into new sales. You can believe they did, but all that means is one has confirmation bias.
What you are asking to prove, is not possible. Of course we will never know if Apple did it on purpose...
I don't know. What I do know, is Apple not only does not allow downgrading (which is debatable, but well, we can accept that as company policy... Even though I deeply disagree), but also, Apple tries to make you update all the time. Software prompts that cannot be turned off (yes, Apple TV beta, nobody outside of users who care about these kinds of things know), in-store and support "suggestions" to constantly update, even though often these issues can be solved by other methods that do not require updating.
There was a Mac issue I had with storage (in order to illustrate the point). I contacted Apple. They told me to back everything up, update to High Sierra (I'm on El Capitan) and then try again. Do you know what was the solution (after I asked here)? Turn time machine off and on again. That's it. No update required.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/please-help-most-of-my-storage-disappeared.2089545/
That's what's annoying. Apple's consistent - and often useless - suggestions to update, and prompts to do so that can't be turned off, when all it does is slow down devices. (Intentionally or not, I don't know. But it does.)
Give it a rest. You're talking about a 10 year-old computer... that's an eternity in terms of software, as you very well know.
It's 8 years and not 10. One of my gaming PCs has 5 year old components and it does a hell of a job in the latest games. 10-15 years is when support should be removed.
When iPads and iPhones are supported for 5 years, computers should get 10 years of support at th every least.
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The very fact that Apple does not allow downgrading is enough evidence about planned obsolescence but i7guy knows that already. The real solution if you upgrade an iPhone to a newer iOS and are not satisfied with it is to get a newer device. No way around it.
Thanks for noticing my algebraic slip there
Fair point actually, especially your comparison with iPads and iPhones.
To be honest there is evidence, which is why Apple finally admitted they were slowing down iPhones and hence the focus on performance for iOS12.
I think the only way you would be convinced if is Steve Jobs came back from the dead as a ghost chanting "planned obsolescence" while pointing to an iPhone, with Tim Cooks right next to him holding an iPhone, pointing at it and shouting
"planned obsolescence."
Even then you would be saying, there's no proof. Just because Steve Jobs and Tim Cooks point to an iPhone shouting and chanting "planned obsolescence," seriously, what does that prove!
You most likely believe VW and their dodgy emissions testing bypass was made up and substituting horse meat for beef in the UK, well it can't be proved, we have already eaten it all.
Companies unfortunately will do things behind our backs to make £££. Apple rely on people buying their products. They would love for people to upgrade every year. That way they take your money every year. They did the best thing, wait till their products are popular and we become dependent on them. Then slow them down so we have to upgrade each year.
Great strategy, and as mentioned previously, they know exactly what they are doing, slowing down iPhones and not letting anyone know was intentional. Same as VW knew what they were doing with emissions testing bypass. They both got caught!
The phones had become slow which is the reason iOS 12 exists. So what's a guy supposed to do if a phone slows down? Keep moaning or get a newer phone?
This is a rational post. What you say I agree with, however at some point it is what it is. Complaints have been swirling around the upgrade and downgrade process for years and Apple has not seen fit to address some of the often harsh criticism of it.
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No, there is no evidence. Some people have made up their minds, which is not the same as hard evidence.
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My phones did not slow down on iOS 11. Of course the varied comments and opinions are nothing new acrossnrhe various releases for years.
Phones slow down for various reasons not the least of which is ill coded apps such as Facebook. When you feel your phone is slow, DFU restore.
Interesting anecdotal apple to oranges comparison. Certainly not proof of anything in relation to planned obsolescence.
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And once again we are back to what I mentioned: weighing time and resources when it comes to prioritizing older technology for optimizations isn't the same as maliciously conspiring to specifically degrade something.
You might think it's absurd or that in a fair and utopian world it should be different, but the reality is reality nonetheless.
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Whatever the reason, let’s celebrate Apple’s return to making iOS more efficient - and hold them to it each year, as customers.
Something went badly wrong last year when the early releases of iOS 11 -it noticeably slowed down my iPhone 7 (as it did with many) & degraded its battery life - and that was only the previous year’s phone.
Prior to that, upgrading every fall was a joy. And I didn’t even mind 7’s early crashiness due to the massive long overdue visual overhaul.
Let’s hope Apple has learnt their lesson and we return to the days of an iOS update demonstrably making your phone better...*
*...As long as you factory reset it on update and then restore from an iCloud back up, or even better, set it up as a new phone.
Maybe we’ll get a ‘spring clean’ function on a major version update installation, next year!
Something went badly wrong last year when the early releases of iOS 11 -it noticeably slowed down my iPhone 7 (as it did with many) & degraded its battery life - and that was only the previous year’s phone.
Prior to that, upgrading every fall was a joy. And I didn’t even mind 7’s early crashiness due to the massive long overdue visual overhaul.
Let’s hope Apple has learnt their lesson and we return to the days of an iOS update demonstrably making your phone better...*
*...As long as you factory reset it on update and then restore from an iCloud back up, or even better, set it up as a new phone.
Maybe we’ll get a ‘spring clean’ function on a major version update installation, next year!