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I love the stock Mail app because I’ll always take one app over two apps. The fact that I can access my Gmail and work email in one place, that’s *not* a third party app, is perfect.

I also get maybe 3-4 emails a day, so it doesn’t really matter.
 
I have Series 4 yes, that why I am afraid.
Can anyone confirms if new beta is better regarding this issue?

For connection, it works perfectly. If you’re asking about battery life, you’ll have to wait a day or two. Can’t be worse.
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I always use a (complete) black wallpaper on my XS Max home screen and now with the "new" darker coloring of folders it looks pretty strange, kind of like nine mini icons sitting on the home screen where each folder resides. Try it with a black background to see it.

What is the general opinion here, is it a bug or feature?


Man, I don’t like it. It looks really strange. Wonder why they did that.
 
Like many others, I’ve had all kinds of issues with Mail on the IOS 13 beta. I read somewhere that deleting the stock mail application would help. Figured it wouldn’t hurt so here’s what I did.

1. Delete stock Mail application
2. Remove all email accounts from Passwords and Accounts
3. Sign out of iCloud
4. Restart iPhone
5. Sign back into iCloud
6. Reinstall stock Mail application
7. Add all email accounts back.

After doing the above, ALL of my Mail issues are gone, and Mail is working perfectly... At least for now...

haven’t tried this but I’ve had issues too. They’ve really screwed up mail. Not a problem on iPadOS though.
 
I love the stock Mail app because I’ll always take one app over two apps. The fact that I can access my Gmail and work email in one place, that’s *not* a third party app, is perfect.

I also get maybe 3-4 emails a day, so it doesn’t really matter.

you know you could probably get your work email in the gmail app too right?
 
Am I crazy, or did the Reminders app used to allow you to create a new reminder just by tapping the empty area below the last entry? Pretty sure it hasn't worked since the last beta and it's really annoying...
 
agree it's poorly written. so can i put the ios13 PB beta on my phone while leaving my watch on 5.3? that's all i want to know.

Yep, that is the configuration I'm running...Series 4 AW on 5.3 and iPhone X running beta 6.
 
Am I crazy, or did the Reminders app used to allow you to create a new reminder just by tapping the empty area below the last entry? Pretty sure it hasn't worked since the last beta and it's really annoying...
Not crazy. I don’t like the change either.
 
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watchOS 5 with AW3 and iOS 13 previos beta today. Haven’t used my AW much. I had 37% battery at the midday, evening only 10%
 
I love the stock Mail app because I’ll always take one app over two apps. The fact that I can access my Gmail and work email in one place, that’s *not* a third party app, is perfect.

I also get maybe 3-4 emails a day, so it doesn’t really matter.

Outlook does exchange and other email accounts too.
 
Outlook does exchange and other email accounts too.

Yeah, and I’d probably use that if I sent/received more than a couple of emails a day. I tend to prefer stock apps to third party apps. Just personal preference. Prior to iOS 13, the stock Mail app was my preferred email application.
 
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I’ve reported a ton of bugs over the course of the last six betas. Some have been fixed, some haven’t.

Is there any benefit to selecting “Add New Information” via the Feedback app just to add “this is still happening”?

It’s so much easier than constantly resubmitting feedback for the same bug over and over.
 
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Lots of reasons besides MDM pointed out.

Security- no 3rd party server doing who knows what with your data. Sure Gmail app for a gmail account or Outlook for an Outlook/Exchange mail account, but most people have more than 1 type; and then what are they doing with your data? Only Apple's app can connect directly to the mail services. Yes I get email is not encrypted etc etc, but it doesnt mean you should open the door up either IMO.

Apple's Mail app wont disappear tomorrow like some apps have making you change your whole workflow when features of other apps dont compare.

Apple's Mail app wont start costing $50/year like Cloudmagic/Newton and Airmail forcing you to change your workflow.

Apple's Mail app is integrated into iOS at the system level and Apple is very unlikely to let you set default 3rd party apps in the near future.

The main free options left:
  • I tinker with/beta test Outlook and its a good app and I doubt going anywhere (but missing a ton of basic stuff still like email formatting, draft syncing with the server, HTML signatures unless you use HTML code,cant search your calendar for some reason that makes no sense, etc). I think its still the best overall app though and just works. I hate hate hate that you cannot minimize an email to look back at something else like the Stock app or Spark; and have to dig back into the drafts folder to go back to it.
  • The GMail app is meh at best and I dont use Drive (use Onedrive) and Google still doesnt let you use the Files app or even another cloud service to attach to emails, so that's instantly crossed off the list.
  • Spark is pretty decent (and beta for them too) and the most features of any free client, but I question how long it will remain free as they just moved PDFExpert to $50/year FOR A PDF EDITOR APP (ridiculous) not even using server resources; so I highly question how long Spark will remain a free service honestly. It's also a bit too "cartoony" feeling for me aesthetically.
  • Edison is just meh to me too (used to beta for them but got disinterested in the app and slow progress in features). It has some basic stuff like the assistant that I wouldn't use, but I hate hate hate the threading method they use (totally unlikes Gmail where one email is on top/below the other and you can expand/contract for context) and cant use it. And the whole caught with their hand in the cookie jar employees reading your email without any notification to the user, whether they fixed that or not and let you opt out now, turned me off to their company. Fool me once.

There is no perfect client IMO.

All of the toys are fun in 3rd party apps. But I can count the number of times on 1 hand that I have personally used Send Later or Snooze (a bad habit to get into anyway as I run an inbox zero method) in the real world outside of testing it out. And in iOS13 you can create a Reminder from email now (without Siri, the remind me of this rarely worked right in iOS12) with a link right back to that email no matter what folder you put it in, so that is basically the exact same thing snoozing.

Im sure some have a use for it but I dont, even running 3 businesses. If a customer/client emails at 8pm they get a reply then or the email typically. Im my line of business getting customers is all about clients getting answers then and there before they go elsewhere. I dont care if it looks like I only answer from 9-5 with send later, and actually looks better on me replying right away to clients from comments I get. If Im going to write the email then Im going to hit send it then, not set it to send at 9am.

If I need a read receipt for proof of something important being sent to prove the client got it, there are free services you just BCC to them and they track the read receipt for you on their site. They work far better than any in-app implementation I've used too. Sure you only get a few per month for free but for how rarely I use them it works fine.

Not to derail the forum, but I literally only use Gmail because of notifications since Mail app removed Push. If there was a way to have Push back I’d agree Mail is easily the best.
 
I've had a notification badge on the settings icon since I updated and can't figure out what it means. Anyone else?

I’ve been having that issue since beta 4 and it’s annoying. Now I’m just used to it.

For some reason, the mail app has drastically improved (iPhone X). I can finally see the text on the bottom. Haven’t looked at my iPad Pro 10.5 yet.
 
Not to derail the forum, but I literally only use Gmail because of notifications since Mail app removed Push. If there was a way to have Push back I’d agree Mail is easily the best.
Agree there the way Gmail is handled is far from ideal. But that's really on Google for removing their EAS license some years ago for free users (Google Apps paid can still do it)
 
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So after a full days more normal use of my phone it seems resetting network devices and/or rebooting did the trick to solve my battery issue from overnight. I stopped it from charging at 10amish at around 95%. I’m now at 56% at 7:15pm. Muuuuch better.

So if you’re having battery life issues, as always, reset network settings.

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Like many others, I’ve had all kinds of issues with Mail on the IOS 13 beta. I read somewhere that deleting the stock mail application would help. Figured it wouldn’t hurt so here’s what I did.

1. Delete stock Mail application
2. Remove all email accounts from Passwords and Accounts
3. Sign out of iCloud
4. Restart iPhone
5. Sign back into iCloud
6. Reinstall stock Mail application
7. Add all email accounts back.

After doing the above, ALL of my Mail issues are gone, and Mail is working perfectly... At least for now...
Thanks for the reminder. I followed your steps except for #3 and #5 and it did make Mail better. Not perfect but better. Hopefully it stays this way until the next beta and hopefully Apple starts working on Mail.
 
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