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All Devices iOS 13 Speculation Thread [Merged]
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That it seems to be: https://mobile.twitter.com/AppleBeta2019/status/1169314121218703360@JPack submitted this to MacRumors, but MacRumors wouldn't bite. I guess they think it's bogus.
There we go! Who would have thought that looking at what has previously happened, would inform that this would happen
Did you miss the part where I said "My guess"? Sorta implies I don't know.
Actually I didn’t, just saying time will tell, we all have our opinions on what will happen
Why is that “more logical”?
There isn’t even a 13.1 beta for ATV. I think the new phones are shipping with 13.0 but 13.1 will be released pretty quickly, maybe before the end of September. It’s already very polished and in a far better state that 13.0.Far better state in what sense? Seems like the last 13.0 beta has been quite stable for most.Why is that “more logical”?
Mail is behaving properly, everything is super snappy and polished. Personally I haven’t encountered a single bug in 13.1 except the share sheet, which is fixed in beta 2.
That's good to hear. At the same time it seems there are some others who are seeing various things here and there. Which is somewhat similar to 13.0 where many with the latest beta haven't really been running into issues, while some others have been.
There’s about 5 issues on the dev notes, more being reported in the bugs thread.
The ability to share iCloud folders is still broken. Also the bug with AirPods taking over the sound even though they’re connected to the iPhone is back too. Such a pain.
So it’s not as smooth as 13.0 db8.
On my iPhone XS, 13.1 Beta 2 is infinitely better than 13.0 Beta 8.
Like, night and day different. Beta 8 was terrible for me. Truly a wreck.
The other issue is that some services/apps may not be compatible with iOS 13.1 at the launch of iOS 13. This is my biggest concern, and the reason why I'm sticking with iOS 13.0 b8 for the moment.
For some large third party apps, they update their apps the day of a release to be compatible, or else within a few days (or else sometimes longer) If you're on 13.1 and the app is not compatible, then you may have to wait until 13.1 is released, which may be something like 1.5 months from now, and then whatever extra time until the app gets updated for 13.1.
For example, my main bank app doesn't work at all in iOS 13, and I'm hoping it gets updated next week. I can access the account via the web, but right now I cannot do mobile cheque deposits to that account since I don't have access to its app.
OTOH, for some apps, if they support 13.0, they may already support 13.1 as well. Regardless, for app compatibility I think sticking with 13.0 is the safest, at least in my situation and until a couple more 13.1 betas are out.
For some large third party apps, they update their apps the day of a release to be compatible, or else within a few days (or else sometimes longer) If you're on 13.1 and the app is not compatible, then you may have to wait until 13.1 is released, which may be something like 1.5 months from now, and then whatever extra time until the app gets updated for 13.1.
For example, my main bank app doesn't work at all in iOS 13, and I'm hoping it gets updated next week. I can access the account via the web, but right now I cannot do mobile cheque deposits to that account since I don't have access to its app.
OTOH, for some apps, if they support 13.0, they may already support 13.1 as well. Regardless, for app compatibility I think sticking with 13.0 is the safest, at least in my situation and until a couple more 13.1 betas are out.
That and the fact that PB was released on a "1st" beta.
I think you may be missing the point that this is not a rushed release but more of an equivalent of 10 betas now. Note the build numbers of 13.0 and 13.1. They are the same series 17Axxx not your always B or C or whatever that comes with each new x.X release. I believe that is where the big disagreement is. If 13.1 were a 17Bxxx build, then yeah it would be more like a real beta 1 or 2. But since its the same series as 13.0 (17Axxx) then more like beta 10. Also having a public beta release on a dev beta 1 and same day public beta release on a beta 2 would be pretty uncommon on a x.X release if it were in fact an entirely new version. As you guys keep saying...... its all speculation and we will just have to wait and see what Apple has in store for us but at this point its looking more like 13.1 will be the release.
Makes a lot of sense, especially if you buy into Apple sending the phones early to avoid what they thought would be 1 Sept tariffs. That’s only about 3 weeks early so I think it is possible. Would have been a smart move IMO.
And they could easily have added a check for latest version step in whatever they shipped and upload 13.1 as part of the setup.
I guess when we start the annual track your cell phone event, if we find they are already out of China, we will know if we don’t find out on the 10th
Trying to recall exactly, but isn’t that not that unusual for non x.0 releases?
We will see next week, as whatever they say the GM is will be what’s publicly released. As they won’t do a 13.0 GM for the developers if they’re not releasing it the week after to the public.
Bearing in mind it takes about 3 weeks to produce about 10 million devices, which is what they would need for launch weekend (as states by others in this thread, 500k a day and assuming 100% yield), they would have had to have had iOS 13 GM finalised internally by 10th August, to start putting it onto the devices so they could ship it before the 1st September. Then bear in mind that we got new iOS 13 betas thru until 21st of August, with iOS 13 beta 8.
Unless people are saying that after the date of the tariffs changed, they then decided to carry on with iOS 13.0 betas, and went back and reinstalled another iOS 13 GM on them after the 21st August......
Yea, I think you’re right.
Edit: actually they were 2 days apart. September 18th and 20th.
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No idea. Don‘t bank on it or quote me on it cause setting up as new is incredibly annoying.
"The new packaging method with an external power supply would also allow Apple to conduct functionality like firmware or software upgrades directly in the store, while the product is still sealed."
https://appleinsider.com/articles/1...er_for_charging_devices_on_store_shelves.html
I guess I don’t understand why they would have to update in the box. Couldn’t they have just added a check for updates step as part of the setup progress. Then when phone is first powered on and set up it checks and updates itself to latest version.
Fairly sure it’s already part of the process. Apple would certainly like the update to already be on the device so that the user experience of waiting for an update to install right when you are opening the device wouldn’t be much of an issue.
Yes I can see that but if they haven’t perfected the in box upgrade it would be the best choice.
I think iOS 13.1 will be the GM for iOS 13 release since there are only one iOS 13 beta profile and Apple will seed the GM next Tuesday to the devices have the iOS 13 beta profile. As we all know, it is impossible to downgrade via OTA (,and wiping the whole device storage). Therefore, the GM build must have a build number same as or ahead of the iOS 13.1 beta 2 build number.
Moreover, 13.1 betas have "A" in the build number unlike the previous X.1 betas that have "B" in the build number. It indicates that 13.1 betas are in the same branch with the iOS 13.0 betas.
Probably, iOS 13.1 will be the release. This seems like unusual but 10.0.1 was the GM for iOS 10. Naming the release 13.1 makes sense because there are features such as Automations packed into 13.1 which were disabled in iOS 13.0.
Moreover, 13.1 betas have "A" in the build number unlike the previous X.1 betas that have "B" in the build number. It indicates that 13.1 betas are in the same branch with the iOS 13.0 betas.
Probably, iOS 13.1 will be the release. This seems like unusual but 10.0.1 was the GM for iOS 10. Naming the release 13.1 makes sense because there are features such as Automations packed into 13.1 which were disabled in iOS 13.0.
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