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Natya Sadella

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You’re out of a free upgrade ????
Of course I will upgrade alone because of the new volume ui. But all the plans they had for ios 12 plus another year of engineering should lead to something bigger. But we all really know nothing so maybe we will surprised. Couple of weeks till dark mode guys
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Of course I will upgrade alone because of the new volume ui. But all the plans they had for ios 12 plus another year of engineering should lead to something bigger. But we all really know nothing so maybe we will be surprised. Couple of weeks till dark mode guys
 

Jimpilot

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Of course I will upgrade alone because of the new volume ui. But all the plans they had for ios 12 plus another year of engineering should lead to something bigger. But we all really know nothing so maybe we will surprised. Couple of weeks till dark mode guys
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I hope it does but I think we’re nearing the point where something really big like the past days are over
 

StumpyBloke

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My gut feeling is that, especially on the iPhone, we are going to be quite disappointed by this so-called major overhaul. I don’t think we’re going to get things like split screen multi-tasking, better files management, picture in picture and massive home screen customisations.

I really really really hope that I’m completely wrong...
 

Natya Sadella

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Nah youre right. But the rumors always said the homescreen redesign for example is ipad exclusive.

Redesign of iphones in ios 13 = dark mode and some smaller tweaks to the ui like new volume ui. Maybe some app overhauls like the „new“ wallet ui for settings app for example.

The groundbreaking stuff will happen on ipads this year.
 

StumpyBloke

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Nah youre right. But the rumors always said the homescreen redesign for example is ipad exclusive.

Redesign of iphones in ios 13 = dark mode and some smaller tweaks to the ui like new volume ui. Maybe some app overhauls like the „new“ wallet ui for settings app for example.

The groundbreaking stuff will happen on ipads this year.

To be honest. I would just be happy with being allowed to have a weather widget on the home screen and maybe calendar.
 

sevecc

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Imagine that we have been waiting for Polish SIRI for 8 years now... keyboard predictions does not work in Polish either...
This is so frustrating!

Dark mode is great, new volume hud is something that should have been done years ago (as in-app camera settings).
I will really appreciate these changes but honestly, my biggest hopes are for those 2 fundamental things mentioned above.
 
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StumpyBloke

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Imagine that we have been waiting for Polish SIRI for 8 years now... keyboard predictions does not work in Polish either...
This is so frustrating!

Dark mode is great, new volume hud is something that should have been done years ago (as in-app camera settings).
I will really appreciate these changes but honestly, my biggest hopes are for those 2 fundamental things mentioned above.

Absolutely. Apple are beyond backward with even basic things all too often, and then when they finally release it, ie dark mode, the Apple Sheep will be wetting themselves in excitement! Pathetic.
 

EugW

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According to 9to5mac, third party apps will have direct access to external storage to load in images and videos.

However, read a second way, that also likely means we still don't get full file system support for external storage.

https://9to5mac.com/2019/04/22/wwdc-developers-siri-marzipan/

"With a new API, apps will be able to capture photos from external devices such as cameras and SD cards, without having to go through the Photos app."

As mentioned previously, after the big refurb price drop, I bought a 2017 2nd gen iPad Pro in 2019 with low storage. It looks like I made the right decision to hold off on spending big bux on the 3rd gen models (esp. since in Canada we didn't get those great big sales like those in the US had). Maybe by the time all the Pros ship with 6 GB RAM, Apple will have the screen touch disease and frame warping problems worked out, and full file system support will be available too. It'd also be nice if at that time the Pros shipped with minimum 128 GB storage.

In the meantime, it's a shame that so much of the USB-C's potential goes to waste on the 3rd gen iPad Pros.
 
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gwhizkids

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According to 9to5mac, third party apps will have direct access to external storage to load in images and videos.

However, read a second way, that also likely means we still don't get full file system support for external storage.

https://9to5mac.com/2019/04/22/wwdc-developers-siri-marzipan/

"With a new API, apps will be able to capture photos from external devices such as cameras and SD cards, without having to go through the Photos app."

As mentioned previously, after the big refurb price drop, I bought a 2017 2nd gen iPad Pro in 2019 with low storage. It looks like I made the right decision to hold off on spending big bux on the 3rd gen models (esp. since in Canada we didn't get those great big sales like those in the US had). Maybe by the time all the Pros ship with 6 GB RAM, Apple will have the screen touch disease and frame warping problems worked out, and full file system support will be available too. It'd also be nice if at that time the Pros shipped with minimum 128 GB storage.

In the meantime, it's a shame that so much of the USB-C's potential goes to waste on the 3rd gen iPad Pros.
I'm not sure you're reading the quoted text correctly. How I read it is that you'll be able to directly get photos into 3rd party apps without needing to do the 3 step process of taking the photo, saving it to the Photos app and then inserting it into the 3rd party app. So, similar to how you can directly take/insert photos into iMessages.

I don't think you can extrapolate from that to "no external file system". Not really related.
 

EugW

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I'm not sure you're reading the quoted text correctly. How I read it is that you'll be able to directly get photos into 3rd party apps without needing to do the 3 step process of taking the photo, saving it to the Photos app and then inserting it into the 3rd party app. So, similar to how you can directly take/insert photos into iMessages.

I don't think you can extrapolate from that to "no external file system". Not really related.
I don’t understand. You just basically repeated what I said, in a different way.
 

macduke

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I don’t understand. You just basically repeated what I said, in a different way.
The part he has issue with is that you took that to mean no full file system support for external storage when the story doesn't actually have any bearing on that.

What's interesting to me from the report is the bit about adding a new API for adding support for device drivers on macOS. Why would they do that? Perhaps it could be preparation for bringing the same code to the iPad and further unifying the platforms. I have a theory about a macOS Lite type capability coming to the iPad someday. It would be more scaled back in terms of multitasking (perhaps freezing background apps), and sandboxed as well, but enable more advanced apps and utilization of the mouse, which was rumored today to be added as an accessibility feature. I don't expect this mode this year, but perhaps in a few years, and it may be more like iOS with a macOS UI layer and app interaction model running on top.

I also think it's interesting that Apple is wanting to expand support for 3D Touch given that the mainstream iPhone XR doesn't even support it. Their plans for that have been all over the place. Overall I'd rather have it than not, but I feel like it could be more useful.
 

EugW

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The part he has issue with is that you took that to mean no full file system support for external storage when the story doesn't actually have any bearing on that.

What's interesting to me from the report is the bit about adding a new API for adding support for device drivers on macOS. Why would they do that? Perhaps it could be preparation for bringing the same code to the iPad and further unifying the platforms. I have a theory about a macOS Lite type capability coming to the iPad someday. It would be more scaled back in terms of multitasking (perhaps freezing background apps), and sandboxed as well, but enable more advanced apps and utilization of the mouse, which was rumored today to be added as an accessibility feature. I don't expect this mode this year, but perhaps in a few years, and it may be more like iOS with a macOS UI layer and app interaction model running on top.

I also think it's interesting that Apple is wanting to expand support for 3D Touch given that the mainstream iPhone XR doesn't even support it. Their plans for that have been all over the place. Overall I'd rather have it than not, but I feel like it could be more useful.
The part about no full file system support was my speculation (hence my use of the term “likely”), considering that we have had no solid rumours about that, and now we have rumours of just the expansion of the preexisting limited support to apps other than Photos.
 

macduke

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The part about no full file system support was my speculation, considering that we have had no solid rumours about that, and now we have rumours of just the expansion of the preexisting limited support to apps other than Photos.
Well, we don't know what we don't know. I'm not going to rule it out, but I'm inclined to believe that as well. Honestly I'm fine with it as long as I can do stuff with my files, whether it be an import into Lightroom or plugging in a USB drive to email someone something. If I can go to attach a document in Mail and it lets me browse the USB drive, then I consider that a win. But I also have to wonder how they would do this differently. Currently if you go to insert an attachment, it lets you pick from various "locations" such as iCloud, on my [device], Dropbox, or whatever else you've added. Would make more functional sense for it to just show up as another location, and if that's the case, then why not also show it in the Files app for consistency? But if they just make it a thing in the image picker, like a tab at the top for external drive, then that would be unfortunate—especially if you can only do images/video and not music files, documents, PSDs, etc. In a perfect world we would all have fast cloud connections everywhere and clients would use that. But in the real world clients still give us crap on a flash drive, bosses give you presentations on a flash drive that you then have to email to yourself because the machine you're presenting on at a conference has a web browser but no accessible USB ports for security reasons, etc. Crap happens and full access would be great. But even this limited access would be huge.
 

EugW

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Well, we don't know what we don't know. I'm not going to rule it out, but I'm inclined to believe that as well. Honestly I'm fine with it as long as I can do stuff with my files, whether it be an import into Lightroom or plugging in a USB drive to email someone something. If I can go to attach a document in Mail and it lets me browse the USB drive, then I consider that a win. But I also have to wonder how they would do this differently. Currently if you go to insert an attachment, it lets you pick from various "locations" such as iCloud, on my [device], Dropbox, or whatever else you've added. Would make more functional sense for it to just show up as another location, and if that's the case, then why not also show it in the Files app for consistency? But if they just make it a thing in the image picker, like a tab at the top for external drive, then that would be unfortunate—especially if you can only do images/video and not music files, documents, PSDs, etc. In a perfect world we would all have fast cloud connections everywhere and clients would use that. But in the real world clients still give us crap on a flash drive, bosses give you presentations on a flash drive that you then have to email to yourself because the machine you're presenting on at a conference has a web browser but no accessible USB ports for security reasons, etc. Crap happens and full access would be great. But even this limited access would be huge.
From the text of that rumour, you still wouldn't be able to attach a spreadsheet or PDF or whatever.

Moreover, you still probably wouldn't be able to save to the drive either.

So for me, it doesn't really help much at all. I am perfectly happy importing my images from Photos. Making it direct access within third party apps is only a minor advantage for me, and doesn't address the bigger problems with external storage support on iOS.
 

gwhizkids

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From the text of that rumour, you still wouldn't be able to attach a spreadsheet or PDF or whatever.

Moreover, you still probably wouldn't be able to save to the drive either.

So for me, it doesn't really help much at all. I am perfectly happy importing my images from Photos. Making it direct access within third party apps is only a minor advantage for me, and doesn't address the bigger problems with external storage support on iOS.
@macduke characterized my thoughts exactly. You can't infer the lack of a feature from the (possible) inclusion of another, only tangentially related feature. A useful file system may still not be in the offing, but the photo insertion API doesn't tell us that one way or the other.
 

EugW

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@macduke characterized my thoughts exactly. You can't infer the lack of a feature from the (possible) inclusion of another, only tangentially related feature. A useful file system may still not be in the offing, but the photo insertion API doesn't tell us that one way or the other.
It's a logical conclusion. We won't know for sure until the betas are out, but there really wouldn't be much point in limiting the API to only photo/video imports if the OS could access other files like most of us want.

This is not a tangentially related feature either. This is THE way in iOS to import files through a wired connection. In essence, this is external storage support on iOS, and Apple is taking a baby step to bring that more directly to more apps. Apple prevents us from working with other file types for whatever reason, and the appearance of rumours of such an API is suggests to us their are not changing gears on other file types any time soon.

Here's hoping for iOS 14 though...
 

gwhizkids

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It's a logical conclusion. We won't know for sure until the betas are out, but there really wouldn't be much point in limiting the API to only photo/video imports if the OS could access other files like most of us want.

This is not a tangentially related feature either. This is THE way in iOS to import files through a wired connection. In essence, this is external storage support on iOS, and Apple is taking a baby step to bring that more directly to more apps. Apple prevents us from working with other file types for whatever reason, and the appearance of rumours of such an API is suggests to us their are not changing gears on other file types any time soon.

Here's hoping for iOS 14 though...
I still think you're reading too much into a rumored feature that addresses an issue different than the one that concerns you. I really do think we'll see some sort of massively improved file management system. Maybe not to the level of Finder, but maybe close. Apple knows they need this to keep the iPad competitive.
 

fredrik9

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This is it. This is the last time for apple to strike back.

We are not on 2013 anymore. The android's teenager time is past.
We are on 2019.
Android side is pushing heavily.
Overall looks amazing now, superior AI skills, google photos, calendar etc... Gmaps functions

iOS is so so so outdated.
App Store is outdated. Music app is overrated(plus sluggish), messages outdated. calendar outdated.

Period. The system overall smells 2015..

They need urgent UI replacement. and this is not bargainable this time.


App store is not outdated, it was updated with a redesign in iOS 11 with a pretty nice design IMO and I can't see it being changed now again.

Music app is not outdated either, it is fast and great although I would like a faster way to que songs and a way to easily switch songs from my iPhone if my iPad is playing. Also it is in desperate need of a dark mode, too white.

Messages and calendar are maybe a bit outdated but I don't really see how Apple could make them much better. They are still much better than physical calendars and letters ever were. If you require something different there are a mutitude of calendar apps and messaging apps on the App store. State what specific changes you want instead of just saying it is outdated.
 

Act3

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App store is not outdated, it was updated with a redesign in iOS 11 with a pretty nice design IMO and I can't see it being changed now again.

Music app is not outdated either, it is fast and great although I would like a faster way to que songs and a way to easily switch songs from my iPhone if my iPad is playing. Also it is in desperate need of a dark mode, too white.

Messages and calendar are maybe a bit outdated but I don't really see how Apple could make them much better. They are still much better than physical calendars and letters ever were. If you require something different there are a mutitude of calendar apps and messaging apps on the App store. State what specific changes you want instead of just saying it is outdated.


After using the dark mode for a bit on Facebook messenger on an iPhone XR, I really hope they include it across the board for iOS. It really looks great even on the LCD screen of the Xr. Blacks are very black despite not being OLED
 

HKG3

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Music app is not outdated either, it is fast and great although I would like a faster way to que songs and a way to easily switch songs from my iPhone if my iPad is playing.

This must be joke or something.
Whole music app is: sluggish.
 

StumpyBloke

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This must be joke or something.
Whole music app is: sluggish.

Might be for you, doesn’t mean it is for everyone. Personally, I find it absolutely fine, I quite like it as it is.

You haven’t said which phone you’re using (I don’t think)?
 
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*~Kim~*

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Clearer battery usage statistics - iOS9 used to give a clear figure for usage since last full charge, now all we seem to have is the graphs which though they may be useful sometimes, lack the at a glance, simple figures alongside.
 

Natya Sadella

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I hope it does but I think we’re nearing the point where something really big like the past days are over
„Really big“ means:

Those couple hundred little features android has. Ios is the best looking mobile operating system but android is waaaaaaaaaay ahead of features. Not even big features, very little things.

A couple of months ago I made a list of features I would like to see in ios 13 and added every little bit that came in mind over the weeks. I ended up with ~200 entries in that list, too bad I deleted it.
 
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