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john991

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I wouldn't put it passed Apple to surprise everyone with a public beta release the last week of June, but it's pretty standard for it to come out in July anyway.

June 24th for developer beta 2 and then July 1 or 2 for public beta so it is out before the holiday weekend.

I don't ever remember so many people having such a smooth experience on an initial beta. It is really quiet in here...except for all of the praise as to how smoothly it is working.

But the last few x.0 beta 1 to beta 2 have been 2 weeks. So this would put beta 2 in the week of June 17th, not the 24th. :)
 

robert1998

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Since beta 1 si very buggy and glitchy and that Apple is ahead when it comes to beta builds, I think they are going to release it on June 17th. I don't see the reason to wait another week for droping the next beta.
 

bigjnyc

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This is purely my speculation since I think Apple is doing thinks a little differently this year...

I think we get 1 more IPSW only DEV beta on June 24/25th

And then an OTA profile DEV beta on July 8/9th right after the holiday.... This will be accompanied by the public beta as well.
 

MozMan68

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Since beta 1 si very buggy and glitchy and that Apple is ahead when it comes to beta builds, I think they are going to release it on June 17th. I don't see the reason to wait another week for droping the next beta.

I only came up with that day in my mind because it IS so smooth and that they might want to stick to the July release for the public beta.

Honestly, with the feedback so far for beta 1, I think you're correct:

Beta 1 - June 3

Beta 2 - June 17

Public Beta - June 24th (if beta 2 is as smooth) or July 1
 

jhfenton

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We will almost certainly have at least one more developer beta this month before we see a public beta sometime in July. And I wouldn't be surprised to see two more developer betas before we see a public beta. There's no guarantee that DB 3 will equal PB 1.

And as others have said, the most likely date for DB 2 is early next week. Ten of the twelve prior x.0 releases saw a second beta released 12-15 days after the first. One was 18 days. One was 22 days.
 
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Blaster13

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I think the 24th/25th is a pretty solid guess. Though Apple could release 13.0 beta 2 the week prior so that the week of the 24th is open for a final release of 12.4. Or maybe 12.4 gets its final release earlier?

I'm thinking public beta is the week of July 15th.

Could be something like this...
Week Of: June 10th - Final Beta 12.4
Week Of: June 18th - Final Release 12.4
Week Of: June 24th - 13.0 Beta 2
Week Of: July 1st - nothing drops
Week Of: July 8th - 13.0 Beta 3
Week Of: July 15th - 13.0 Public Beta 1 (same build as Beta 3)
Week Of: July 22 - 13.0 Dev 4 / Public 2 and from there we're going weekly

Obviously Apple has their own plans and ideas of when things will be released, but to me these dates make the most sense in terms of scheduling and past release schedules for major builds. I think the biggest question mark is whether or not 12.4 really gets two full weeks for beta/release by itself without another build from 13 dropping?
Funny feeling it will drop tonight....
 

VSMacOne

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Doubtful we'll see one this week since so many Apple employees were at WWDC putting on labs and sessions. I think we'll for sure see at least one if not two dev betas before the first public beta.
 
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gwhizkids

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I think we won’t see it till 7/8 or 9. I’ll put a big asterisk next to that, but they have issued some extraordinary warnings this go round and have already set expectations for July (for the most part). I just don’t see them rushing this. They don’t make this stuff up as they go. I’m reasonably certain it is highly choreographed weeks if not months in advance.
 
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krishmk

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This beta is so buggy and re-springs on most actions. I hope they release 2nd beta today...
 

Phogro

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Public Beta - June 24th (if beta 2 is as smooth) or July 1

I don't see any public betas until the 8th or later. They have no reason to release it early and the last thing they'd want to do is have something go wrong releasing the 1st and have to scramble to fix it during the shortened holiday week.

The 8th is likely dev beta 3 and the question is whether they release the pubic beta the next day or the following week. I'd say 49/49 odds of July 9th or July 15th/16th and 2% chance of it being a different date.
 
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CopyChief

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Those that have gone ahead and installed it are free to disagree but the current beta is easily argued as one of the tightest betas yet, especially for a b1.

There's some truth to this. It's equal to 12 from my experience in terms of its b1 stability, but even with iOS12, the betas that come after may be up and down in terms of "risk" or stability. Such is beta testing, and probably more the reason for Apple's warning, as opposed to any specific known issues with the current beta.
 
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Feenician

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It's equal to 12 from my experience in terms of its b1 stability, but even with iOS12, the betas that come after may be up and down in terms of "risk" or stability

I really hope people putting this on main devices understand this. Just because b1 is pretty solid doesn't mean the next one will be. Important functionality might be impaired or not work at all. That's just the nature of the beast.
 

MozMan68

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I don't see any public betas until the 8th or later. They have no reason to release it early and the last thing they'd want to do is have something go wrong releasing the 1st and have to scramble to fix it during the shortened holiday week.

The 8th is likely dev beta 3 and the question is whether they release the pubic beta the next day or the following week. I'd say 49/49 odds of July 9th or July 15th/16th and 2% chance of it being a different date.

But it was earlier a couple of years ago, correct? I remember downloading the PB and using it for my trip prior to the July 4th holiday. Was risky, but I really wanted to try the updated Maps back then.
 

Phogro

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But it was earlier a couple of years ago, correct? I remember downloading the PB and using it for my trip prior to the July 4th holiday. Was risky, but I really wanted to try the updated Maps back then.

True it has been earlier in the past. They said "July" at WWDC so there's no reason to think that it would come in June. They could release it the first week of July, but I find that highly unlikely.
 
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Gathomblipoob

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Is the bold justified since you haven’t used it yet? Just saying such a reaction should be reserved for those with actual experience.

Those that have gone ahead and installed it are free to disagree but the current beta is easily argued as one of the tightest betas yet, especially for a b1.

Unless you use the stock mail app, which is a hot mess right now. :p
 
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shootertwist14

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beta 1 has been very solid on my ipad pro 11, some hangs but nothing that can be solved with a swipe... the "worst" bug i have encountered is the notification in messages saying i have "one" message unread when there is none...
 

geekonthepc

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Bearing in mind they said the public beta would come in July, I'm guessing the public beta will go out with dev beta 3. My guess, based on previous years, is that dev beta 2 will go out on Monday 17th or Tuesday 18th. Then beta 3 to follow on 1st July, with public beta 1 on the same day.

Which dev beta did the first public beta coincide with last year?
 
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bansh

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I guess Beta 2 will be around 19. / 21. of June. Beta 3 will go public in July as they allready stated.
I also think that the Beta 2 will still need an IPSW. OTA comes with the Public Beta in July.

The Public Beta will arrive in the first week of July. I agree with all that say this beta is pretty solid. There were a lot of major betas that have been way more buggy. iOS 10 or 11 was pretty crap in the first beta. So bad that you had to roll back on day by day device!
 

MozMan68

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I guess Beta 2 will be around 19. / 21. of June. Beta 3 will go public in July as they allready stated.
I also think that the Beta 2 will still need an IPSW. OTA comes with the Public Beta in July.

The Public Beta will arrive in the first week of July. I agree with all that say this beta is pretty solid. There were a lot of major betas that have been way more buggy. iOS 10 or 11 was pretty crap in the first beta. So bad that you had to roll back on day by day device!

I'm good with all of this... ;)

The question is, how will it get WORSE with beta 2...hah!
 
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