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gwhizkids

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Might well be tomorrow or Wednesday, but do you really think Apple iOS developers are frantically changing the iOS 13 code right now for supposed tomorrow’s beta version? Unless there is a major show-stopping bug, the logs and error reports submitted now might get addressed in iOS 13.1 + releases, if we are lucky. ;)
No, I don't think they are changing the code for tomorrow, but I also don't think they release these betas for no purpose. They want to collect data on things they have already fixed and determine stuff that might be a showstopper in the wild. And I don't agree that nothing reported now will have any impact on the release version of iOS 13. Clearly there are some major issues with automations in Shortcuts and with the ETA feature in Maps, hence their removal from the current betas. My guess is that each has a fighting chance of making it back in before release, as we are still about 2-3 weeks away from the GM (if not a week longer). I would say, however, that Dev Beta 6 is probably the last point at which anything other than a showstopper has a chance of being addressed.
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This seems to be beyond the comprehension of most people, who believe that Apple wait for us to feed back before they even start working on the next beta.
Of course they don't do that. Its a feedback loop. They dogfood it internally (after stress testing it on simulators) and then release it to the public (incluiding non-Apple developers). That last stage (which we see) either validates the internal work or discloses issues that no amount of internal testing will turn up. That info is then fed back into the process. When it gets fed back in probably depends on how serious it is.
 
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Broken Hope

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Apple is already no doubt working on the GM build already, I remember we had a beta build last year that was released later than some peoples phones were built.

People need to remember that betas are primarily to get api changes to developers so that apps can be ready in time.

Catalina could still be on a 2 week cycle since Mac OS tends to release a couple of weeks later and is currently in a worse state compared to the other OS’s.
 
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MrGimper

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Don’t for a minute think that nothing comes of our inputs. If they are hit with a surprise overload of bug reports they didn’t expect it will get attention

No-one thinks that, they just don't sit there twiddling their thumbs waiting for it before moving forward.
 

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Catalina could still be on a 2 week cycle since Mac OS tends to release a couple of weeks later and is currently in a worse state compared to the other OS’s.

Except that this year they will need to release Catalina alongside iOS 13, otherwise people won’t be able to interact with their iOS devices on their Macs at all. The current iTunes do not see iOS 13 beta devices without XCode installed and I doubt Apple will want to release another iTunes version, considering it is being out-phased in Catalina.
 
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AZhappyjack

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Except that this year they will need to release Catalina alongside iOS 13, otherwise people won’t be able to interact with their iOS devices on their Macs at all. The current iTunes do not see iOS 13 beta devices without XCode installed and I doubt Apple will want to release another iTunes version, considering it is being out-phased in Catalina.

It would not be unusual to release a new iTunes version to support the new hardware/software. It's been done before, and depending on what is required to make it work, it's not out of the question, even if it ultimately becomes "throw-away" code. And then there are the many users who will want iOS 13 and new devices who own older Macs that are not supported in Catalina... so, there are bonafide reasons for a new version of iTunes.
 

Broken Hope

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They don’t even have to update iTunes they just need to update the MobileDevices.pkg for the devices to be seen on older OS’s that’s what some people were doing rather than install Xcode as the pkg was only around 10MB vs 5GB of Xcode.
 

TimFL1

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Except that this year they will need to release Catalina alongside iOS 13, otherwise people won’t be able to interact with their iOS devices on their Macs at all. The current iTunes do not see iOS 13 beta devices without XCode installed and I doubt Apple will want to release another iTunes version, considering it is being out-phased in Catalina.
It wouldn‘t be the first time they introduce breaking changes without pushing out a macOS release at the same time. The iTunes discontinuing means nothing, they could always push compatibility updates down the line.
 

rwilliams

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More or less it's their "phone home" requests that are being updated. How they track and where they send those 1's and 0's to. Apple needs to hold all developers feet to the fire. If you update an application you make sure to put in exactly what you changed. Not just random nonsense like..Sorry folks we're closed, the moose out front should have told you. (some of you may get this reference, others may not) o_O

Wally World!
 
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M-Life

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I heard the new iOS beta will come out within 24 hours of hitting post #2000 in this thread. This came from a pretty accurate source, but I'm posting it here as speculation.
 

Chronus

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Cant someone ask the guy who’s dad whilst in Starbucks once saw a reflection of Scott Forstall passing by a dog walker who once cut Tim Cook’s garden hedge three summers ago, I’m sure they’ll know when the next beta is due out.
 
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M-Life

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Cant someone ask they guy who’s dad whilst in Starbucks once saw a reflection of Scott Forstall passing by a dog walker who once cut Tim Cook’s garden hedge three summers ago, I’m sure they’ll know when the next beta is due out.

Like I said yesterday, Apple is waiting until we hit post #2000 in this thread. Once we do that, they've promised to release b7 within 24 hours.
 
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