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FeliApple

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I agree. That’s why apple should support older OS in case a vulnerability is found. In that way, providing security while keeping battery and performance at the same levels .
Sadly they don’t do it because it would allow downgrading. You can’t sign iOS 12.5.7 for every device originally compatible with iOS 12 because that would mean that everybody can downgrade. They can’t support older iOS versions forever, so there would be a time where iOS 12 would have no more security updates.

But regardless of that, they don’t do it because, like I said, it would allow downgrading to iOS 12 from iOS 17, and they don’t want that.

So they support iOS 12 with security updates for now... for those device that aren’t compatible with iOS 13 onwards, which means that a Xʀ user on iOS 12.0 can’t install it.

Regardless of all of this, your point is the most important: Apple shouldn’t force a choice between security and battery life/ performance. I’ll choose the latter every time. So you either provide both or I’ll make do without it.
 
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Motionblurrr

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Anyone having problems charging? I’m on 17.0.2 and this morning my phone only charged up to 30%. Found that odd as it was on a wireless charger. So I reset the device and then I charged it with a fast charger and I got it up to 70~ish percent before unplugging and going about my day.

Now my phone doesn’t charge above 50% for some reason. This is… odd.
 

ht5pilot

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Anyone having problems charging? I’m on 17.0.2 and this morning my phone only charged up to 30%. Found that odd as it was on a wireless charger. So I reset the device and then I charged it with a fast charger and I got it up to 70~ish percent before unplugging and going about my day.

Now my phone doesn’t charge above 50% for some reason. This is… odd.
I’m also on 17.0.2 and having issues with charging my iPhone 15 Pro. More specifically, battery indicator on my iPhone does not change while plugged up. However, when I restart (reboot) my iPhone, the battery goes up in percentage. My best guess, it might be a software issue.
 
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James6s

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iOS 17.1 beta 14PM. Definitely better than 17.0.1/2 in my usage.
 

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Frankie_r

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Since I’ve upgraded my 14 Pro to iOS 17 battery life is much worse :mad:

I’m ending the day with 20% less battery than with iOS 16, same usage. I really hope they fix that…
 
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Motionblurrr

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I’m also on 17.0.2 and having issues with charging my iPhone 15 Pro. More specifically, battery indicator on my iPhone does not change while plugged up. However, when I restart (reboot) my iPhone, the battery goes up in percentage. My best guess, it might be a software issue.
Yep, seems like it! I was afraid my battery had becoming defective or something (i hope not). After it wouldn’t charge past 50% last night, I did a hard reset and it fully charged this morning. Hopefully that was just a fluke in a software issue!
 
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ade555

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I’m not sure what is going on but iOS 17 on iPhone 12 loosing about 20% battery with 1h5min SOT, this is using browsing emails ect., no video. Bluetooth off and I’m on 5G, is lot better when at home on WiFi. I could usually get to about 4-5pm before phone needed a recharge, now I’m lucky if I get to 1-2pm, typing this went from 80 to 78%.
 

ade555

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Just to add from this morning 6am 2h SOT and down to 51%, don’t thing this is good been honest, only apps I used Email/whatsapp/imassage/ safari and couple of phone calls
 

Nisaja

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Just to add from this morning 6am 2h SOT and down to 51%, don’t thing this is good been honest, only apps I used Email/whatsapp/imassage/ safari and couple of phone calls

That’s absolutely terrible. Just go back to iOS 16. That’s what I did. Back to having 12-13 hours of SOT.
 

BrightCanon

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Yesterday on 17.0.2.

13 Pro Max. 90% Battery Health.

Not too bad.

Background app refresh off.
Always Dark mode.
 

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ade555

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That’s absolutely terrible. Just go back to iOS 16. That’s what I did. Back to having 12-13 hours of SOT.
I never had 12-13 kind of figures but was happy enough with 7h, I get about 7h plus with iOS 17 when on WiFi, soon as I’m outside WiFi coverage it drops to near half, is bonkers, will keep a eye on it, over the iOS updates yes battery has dropped slightly but never to this extend. Switched to 4g but don’t make difference been honest.

Just to add you can see how quickly the battery drops since charged.
 

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James6s

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17.1 beta 14 Pro Max. Been charging once per day in the mornings to between 90-100%, down to around 30-35% by the next morning.
 

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ade555

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Keeps apps from running when they arent on screen. Like a pause button i guess. You dont need to close the app. Just holds them until you need it again.
Giving that I only used Apple Mail/whatsapp/phone/safari in that time surely it can’t be that? I could understand if used other apps or games, maybe need to stop spending time on here 😀, is not the end of the world been honest as I have access to charging facility but that’s not the point. I was expecting some drop from iOS to iOS but not that much, and for some reason today was worse, and been on iOS now couple of weeks. Also topped up to 80% during day, and take a look at the massage regards charging. Phone wasn’t even warm 😡
 

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Maloney~888

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Giving that I only used Apple Mail/whatsapp/phone/safari in that time surely it can’t be that? I could understand if used other apps or games, maybe need to stop spending time on here 😀, is not the end of the world been honest as I have access to charging facility but that’s not the point. I was expecting some drop from iOS to iOS but not that much, and for some reason today was worse, and been on iOS now couple of weeks.
Since using IOS17 Safari has been the main battery hog on both iPhone and iPad??
 

ht5pilot

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Is it just me or does battery drain faster on iOS 17 over cellular vs Wi-Fi? Ever since I upgraded from iPhone 13 Pro Max to iPhone 15 Pro, I am constantly monitoring battery life. I know going from bigger Pro to smaller Pro is going to take a hit on how long I can use the phone without having to worry about charging my iPhone back up. But still, it feels like battery isn’t big enough for the iPhone. I am wondering if the Qualcomm 5G modem is the culprit or if the software for that component isn’t optimized for it? Any thoughts?
 
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Banglazed

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Is it just me or does battery drain faster on iOS 17 over cellular vs Wi-Fi? Ever since I upgraded from iPhone 13 Pro Max to iPhone 15 Pro, I am constantly monitoring battery life. I know going from bigger Pro to smaller Pro is going to take a hit on how long I can use the phone without having to worry about charging my iPhone back up. But still, it feels like battery isn’t big enough for the iPhone. I am wondering if the Qualcomm 5G modem is the culprit or if the software for that component isn’t optimized for it? Any thoughts?
It could be something to explore. Are you in area where 5G UW available? Do you have low signal bars? Do you have iCloud photo/backup enabled on cellular? Do you have it set to 5G Auto or 5G On for Voice & Data or Allow More Data on 5G for Data Mode?
 

ade555

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It could be something to explore. Are you in area where 5G UW available? Do you have low signal bars? Do you have iCloud photo/backup enabled on cellular? Do you have it set to 5G Auto or 5G On for Voice & Data or Allow More Data on 5G for Data Mode?
Sorry replied to wrong post
 

ManuCH

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Is it just me or does battery drain faster on iOS 17 over cellular vs Wi-Fi? Ever since I upgraded from iPhone 13 Pro Max to iPhone 15 Pro, I am constantly monitoring battery life. I know going from bigger Pro to smaller Pro is going to take a hit on how long I can use the phone without having to worry about charging my iPhone back up. But still, it feels like battery isn’t big enough for the iPhone. I am wondering if the Qualcomm 5G modem is the culprit or if the software for that component isn’t optimized for it? Any thoughts?

It's not just you. On my iPhone 15 Pro Max, the battery only lasts half as much if I'm on 5G the whole day as opposed to Wi-Fi. Which is to be expected, 5G is known to use more energy than Wi-Fi.
 
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chriswhv6

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Been 2 weeks now and still Battery Optimization is not turning on at all.
To makes matters worse my S8 Watch has decided now after 1 year to activate Battery Optimization on that and even that I've always had my Focus/Sleep/Alarm set to turn off at 6.30am, I'm waking up and my watch is just sitting at 80% charge :/
 

Mercenary

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Been 2 weeks now and still Battery Optimization is not turning on at all.
To makes matters worse my S8 Watch has decided now after 1 year to activate Battery Optimization on that and even that I've always had my Focus/Sleep/Alarm set to turn off at 6.30am, I'm waking up and my watch is just sitting at 80% charge :/
Taken from https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT210512

Optimised Battery Charging needs at least 14 days to learn your charging habits, so it won’t engage before then. Also, your iPhone needs to experience at least nine charges of five hours or more in a given location for Optimised Battery Charging to engage.

You also need to ensure that significant locations is turned on.
 

chriswhv6

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Taken from https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT210512

Optimised Battery Charging needs at least 14 days to learn your charging habits, so it won’t engage before then. Also, your iPhone needs to experience at least nine charges of five hours or more in a given location for Optimised Battery Charging to engage.

You also need to ensure that significant locations is turned on.
Sorry i should have mentioned im using a iPhone 14 Pro Max since October 2022.
Battery Optimization was always working perfectly for me until i updated to iOS17....unless that reset something?
 
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