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iOS 17 Speculation Thread

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Kal Madda said:
I’m not sure that I agree that that follows though. The reason it’s been canned in the EU is due to having to add an entirely new and secure platform for any browser engine to be able to plug into to get system level access required for PWAs. But in the rest of the world, this isn’t an issue. And I’m guessing they may eventually introduce a system like that for iOS to enable PWAs on any browser engine, they just had to remove PWAs temporarily at the very least in the EU to comply with the immediate demands, and didn’t have the time or resources to roll out such a system.
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I understand that. But if they are killing it off totally for the EU due to the fact that there is low user adoption everywhere and the new law there then probably no new work being done on it.
Realityck said:
To clarify that if one is looking for the exact wording from Apple of this 17.4 beta change, here it is using a spoiler.

To comply with the Digital Markets Act, Apple has done an enormous amount of engineering work to add new functionality and capabilities for developers and users in the European Union — including more than 600 new APIs and a wide range of developer tools.

The iOS system has traditionally provided support for Home Screen web apps by building directly on WebKit and its security architecture. That integration means Home Screen web apps are managed to align with the security and privacy model for native apps on iOS, including isolation of storage and enforcement of system prompts to access privacy impacting capabilities on a per-site basis.

Without this type of isolation and enforcement, malicious web apps could read data from other web apps and recapture their permissions to gain access to a user’s camera, microphone or location without a user’s consent. Browsers also could install web apps on the system without a user’s awareness and consent. Addressing the complex security and privacy concerns associated with web apps using alternative browser engines would require building an entirely new integration architecture that does not currently exist in iOS and was not practical to undertake given the other demands of the DMA and the very low user adoption of Home Screen web apps. And so, to comply with the DMA’s requirements, we had to remove the Home Screen web apps feature in the EU.

EU users will be able to continue accessing websites directly from their Home Screen through a bookmark with minimal impact to their functionality. We expect this change to affect a small number of users. Still, we regret any impact this change — that was made as part of the work to comply with the DMA — may have on developers of Home Screen web apps and our users.

This is not to say it won't return in a future iOS version.

All the press/online articles out there can't speculate any better then the rest of us against iOS 17.x or iOS 18 future.
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Well all I am saying is what was reportedly confirmed by Apple. Either way I suspect a later version of iOS 17 will certainly not bring it back. That was my point to the post I replied to asking about updates in 17.4 to improve PWA.

"With the second beta of iOS 17.4, Apple disabled much of the functionality of Progressive Web Apps (PWAs) in the European Union. There was some speculation that it could be a temporary change or a bug related to some of the updates to the app ecosystem in Europe, but Apple has confirmed that PWAs were intentionally removed and won't be returning."

"Addressing the complex security and privacy concerns associated with web apps using alternative browser engines would require building an entirely new integration architecture that does not currently exist in iOS and was not practical to undertake given the other demands of the DMA and the very low user adoption of Home Screen web apps."
 
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sbailey4 said:
Well all I am saying is what was reportedly confirmed by Apple. Either way I suspect a later version of iOS 17 will certainly not bring it back. That was my point to the post I replied to asking about updates in 17.4 to improve PWA.

"With the second beta of iOS 17.4, Apple disabled much of the functionality of Progressive Web Apps (PWAs) in the European Union. There was some speculation that it could be a temporary change or a bug related to some of the updates to the app ecosystem in Europe, but Apple has confirmed that PWAs were intentionally removed and won't be returning."

"Addressing the complex security and privacy concerns associated with web apps using alternative browser engines would require building an entirely new integration architecture that does not currently exist in iOS and was not practical to undertake given the other demands of the DMA and the very low user adoption of Home Screen web apps.
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Sure, but again, that’s only in the EU. It makes the idea of lots of improvements to PWAs in iOS 17 far less likely. But it doesn’t remove the possibility of them returning. The article made that assertion, but Apple’s actual statement did not say they wouldn’t be returning. All Apple’s official statement said is that PWAs have been intentionally removed in the EU in iOS 17.4 due to the third-party browser engines requirements.
 
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Kal Madda said:
Sure, but again, that’s only in the EU. It makes the idea of lots of improvements to PWAs in iOS 17 far less likely. But it doesn’t remove the possibility of them returning. The article made that assertion, but Apple’s actual statement did not say they wouldn’t be returning. All Apple’s official statement said is that PWAs have been intentionally removed in the EU in iOS 17.4 due to the third-party browser engines requirements.
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No you are correct, it does'nt remove the possibility of it coming back. Even if they said so it is still possible it could at some point I guess. No matter tho. I am in the US, still will have it, and don't really care one way or the other. :)
 
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sbailey4 said:
No you are correct, it does'nt remove the possibility of it coming back. Even if they said so it is still possible it could at some point I guess. No matter tho. I am in the US, still will have it, and don't really care one way or the other. :)
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Same here, I’m also in the US. 👍🏻.
 
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Kal Madda said:
But when the next beta will be released isn’t the only thing this thread is for. We’re allowed to discuss potential fixes or feature improvements in future upcoming betas or versions of iOS 17. You’ve actually made this conversation much longer than it otherwise would have been by trying to claim we don’t have the right to discuss fixes or improvements in future versions of iOS 17. Our conversation about potential PWA improvements or changes in future versions of iOS 17 was already over before you interjected. And you’re starting an off-topic discussion about what’s off-topic or not.
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I created the first speculation thread so I feel somewhat qualified to opine on what the speculation thread is intended for.

First and foremost, the speculation threads were designed to get chatter about when the next betas were dropping out of the main beta discussion threads, where it was a continuing distraction. That said, there has always been some tolerance for light discussion of whether and when a new feature might debut.

The key word there is “some”.

The speculation thread, at least the one for the current major release, has never been intended for in depth discussions of existing or deprecated features. Those discussions have always occurred either in the general discussion of the currently active beta or, as applicable, in their own dedicated thread.

For discussions about desired features that likely won’t come in the current major release (here, iOS 17), there is the speculation thread for the next major release (i.e., iOS 18)*. @Kylo83 created that thread last week, largely as a place to discuss the substantial number of rumors that are already starting to pop about iOS 18 features. I asked the mods to pin that thread several days ago and they graciously agreed to do so. So it is readily at hand.

Wouldn’t it just be easier to post there rather than trying to tweak other users by continuing to post about features in this thread?

You are a valued contributor to these discussions and have a lot of good thoughts. They just need to be in the right place.


*Of course, once iOS 18 goes live after WWDC and particularly after its public release in September, the iOS 18 speculation thread will become largely about the timing of new betas, as this one is now.
 
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Will be interesting to see the timeline for release here. There’s the deadline from the EU with which Apple needs to comply with, but then there’s also hardware due in the next month or two.

I wonder if we will see 17.4 at the start of March and then a speedy 17.5 beta cycle to coincide with new hardware towards the end of March. If there was an event or even press releases at the start of March I’m sure there would have at least been rumblings by now.
 
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Stuipdboy1000 said:
Will be interesting to see the timeline for release here. There’s the deadline from the EU with which Apple needs to comply with, but then there’s also hardware due in the next month or two.

I wonder if we will see 17.4 at the start of March and then a speedy 17.5 beta cycle to coincide with new hardware towards the end of March. If there was an event or even press releases at the start of March I’m sure there would have at least been rumblings by now.
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I think you’ve got it right with the quick 17.5. And it may be that the event happens at the end of March but the hardware is not available for purchase for a week or 10 days after. That would give enough time, I think.

And that would also be the right timing for a 17.6 landing a week or so before WWDC.
 
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gank41 said:
I think maybe a Wednesday or Thursday release? Aren't we due for an RC release soon?
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Since it’s the beta 4, it’s still likely Tuesday even with Monday closure, even if it’s more mid day instead of 10 am PST IMHO. The following week Tuesday for RC then, with March 4 target for release. It’s possible it could slip to Wednesday yes, but doubt it this late in cycle. :)
 
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Realityck said:
Since it’s the beta 4, it’s still likely Tuesday even with Monday closure, even if it’s more mid day instead of 10 am PST IMHO. The following week Tuesday for RC then, with March 4 target for release. It’s possible it could slip to Wednesday yes, but doubt it this late in cycle. :)
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This makes sense.
 
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Banks are closed today, but most people work on President's Day. I wouldn't rule out a release today.

That being said, people often go on vacation because their kids usually have the week off from school.
 
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Realityck said:
Since it’s the beta 4, it’s still likely Tuesday even with Monday closure, even if it’s more mid day instead of 10 am PST IMHO. The following week Tuesday for RC then, with March 4 target for release. It’s possible it could slip to Wednesday yes, but doubt it this late in cycle. :)
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Most businesses are open on Presidents day.
dannyyankou said:
Banks are closed today, but most people work on President's Day. I wouldn't rule out a release today.

That being said, people often go on vacation because their kids usually have the week off from school.
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Week off from school for Presidents day? Where exactly? I work for a state public school system and we were not off today. We do get a lot of holidays but not Presidents day. The kids were there today as well.
 
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sbailey4 said:
Most businesses are open on Presidents day.

Week off from school for Presidents day? Where exactly? I work for a state public school system and we were not off today. We do get a lot of holidays but not Presidents day. The kids were there today as well.
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lol, and NYC and Westchester schools. Maybe it’s because we get a lot of snow this time of year, so they just schedule time off instead of using snow days.
 
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