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iOS 17 Speculation Thread

Ansath said:
We’re in the iOS 17 section, not MacOS, and the OP didn’t say anything about MacOS in their post.

So, you’re bringing MacOS in for no apparent reason.

Also, MacOS’s x.0 public release for the last 5 years or so, have always come after iOS’s x.0 release (usually October when iOS is September), with MacOS’s betas not going weekly when iOS goes weekly. So, of course Sonoma is going to release separately to iOS 17.
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Speculating about when iOS updates occur is frequently tied to parallel Apple OS beta seeds with aligned feature enhancements. Just consider it another way to read tea leaves of when things drop. Some years the OS's are fairly close, this year looks like it is staggered again because of all the new or changed features. ;)
 
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Realityck said:
Speculating about when iOS updates occur is frequently tied to parallel Apple OS beta seeds with aligned feature enhancements. Just consider it another way to read tea leaves of when things drop. Some years the OS's are fairly close, this year looks like it is staggered again because of all the new or changed features. ;)
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I don’t think the “new or changed features” have anything to do with the concurrent or staggered release dates of iOS and MacOS.

If there is one date in this whole process that is absolutely fixed, the expected iPhone ship date is it. And iOS 17 must be ready to install on said phones when they start rolling off the assembly lines.

Why is this?

Apple needs to record some (meaning “tens of millions”) iPhone sales during its fiscal Q4, the last 2 weeks of which follow the anticipated iPhone release date. If it does not deliver tens of millions of new phones in that period, the stock tanks because the year over year comparison to Q4s in which it has successfully released the iPhone will be, shall we say, extremely unfavorable (on the order of tens of billions of dollars in missed revenue).

As a result, all hands are almost certainly on deck to finish any necessary coding to get iOS out the door on time, including engineers who typically are responsible for MacOS. Thus, MacOS is given a much lower priority for several weeks (and that probably is during the July-August time frame, ending about now, I’d estimate).

As @Ansath has noted, it’s been several (5 or 6) years since what is now MacOS has been released simultaneously with iOS (even iPadOS has seen some date slippage). This is why.
 
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Realityck said:
Speculating about when iOS updates occur is frequently tied to parallel Apple OS beta seeds with aligned feature enhancements. Just consider it another way to read tea leaves of when things drop. Some years the OS's are fairly close, this year looks like it is staggered again because of all the new or changed features. ;)
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iOS has only been released ‘close’ for MacOS Sierra, High Sierra and Mojave, where it was a week or 2 later. To an extent, El Capitan was kinda close. Otherwise ever other one has had quite a gap, and since Mojave in 2018, it’s clearly a month or more later than iOS, and it’s the new norm.

Also, when iOS goes weekly for the last 5 or so years, MacOS didn’t go weekly, so this week continues that standard.

Thus, my point of bringing MacOS into this thread is pointless, stands.

Also, the main point I was making in response to you was that the OP you quoted that I replied to, never even mentioned MacOS, so it’s weird you implied he meant MacOS……
 
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gwhizkids said:
If there is one date in this whole process that is absolutely fixed, the expected iPhone ship date is it. And iOS 17 must be ready to install on said phones when they start rolling off the assembly lines.

Why is this?

Apple needs to record some (meaning “tens of millions”) iPhone sales during its fiscal Q4, the last 2 weeks of which follow the anticipated iPhone release date. If it does not deliver tens of millions of new phones in that period, the stock tanks because the year over year comparison to Q4s in which it has successfully released the iPhone will be, shall we say, extremely unfavorable (on the order of tens of billions of dollars in missed revenue).

As a result, all hands are almost certainly on deck to finish any necessary coding to get iOS out the door on time, including engineers who typically are responsible for MacOS. Thus, MacOS is given a much lower priority for several weeks (and that probably is during the July-August time frame, ending about now, I’d estimate).
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On the iPhone 15 date since they are some predicting the event to be on the 12th or 13th. You would expect IOS 17 to be released to public Sept 18 or Sept 20 as Monday/Wednesday seems to have the best odds.

As for the tens of millions of iPhone 15 sales, that has people nervous for once. Sales of all smart phones is down 10% average for last annual period, with the exception being selling cheaper smart phones in emerging countries.

bgr.com

Foxconn starts iPhone 15 production in India to avoid last year's issues

Almost a month before the official iPhone 15 announcement, Foxconn is said to have begun production of Apple's new smartphones in India.
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According to Bloomberg, a Foxconn plant in Sriperumbudur is “preparing to deliver the newest devices only weeks after they start shipping from factors in China.” Previously, India would take six to nine months to start producing the same iPhone model as China, but the timeframe was reduced to only two months with the iPhone 14.
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The key difficulty for the projected 4th quarter is to convince existing iPhone owners that they need an updated iPhone? They are hoping for an increase of switchers (switching to iPhones), and a continued increase on service revenue, which is partial driven by increased prices of Apple's provided services such as AppleCare plus to help offset a small decline in 4th Q iPhone sales.

Apple Chief Financial Officer Luca Maestri said the company expects a year-over-year revenue performance in the company’s fiscal fourth quarter ending in September similar to the drop the company reported on Thursday. That sales forecast is below analyst expectations of roughly flat fiscal fourth-quarter sales of $90.19 billion, according to Refinitiv data.
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Going with what is a general consensus of concern, yes more then ever they are worried about a decrease in iPhone sales in this upcoming 4th quarter alerting investors that Apple is no longer immune to downward trends of Smart Phone manufacturers purchases worldwide. At least you can see they are really trying their best to improve production of the upcoming iPhones 15 series. ;)
 
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TheYayAreaLiving 🎗️ said:
*Sigh* 😞

Just realized how many messages I need to catch up on.

I’m ready for the official iOS 17 public release and a new iPhone. I need to start over. 💬

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So the only way to get rid of all these notifications, is with a new phone with no icloud back up ? 😆😂

Different world.
 
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Revising this post:

iOS 16 vs 17 beta cycle

Beta 1 - both were 16 days
Beta 2 - both were 14 days
Beta 3 - 16 was 20 days, 17 was 21 days
Beta 4 - 16 was 14 days, 17 was 12 days
Beta 5 - both were 7 days
** Beta 6 - 16 was 8 days, as of today were at 5 days


iOS 16
Beta 7 was 6 days
Beta 8 was 9 days
RC1 was 5 days
 
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Let it be known… 👀

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gtmead09 said:
Revising this post:

iOS 16 vs 17 beta cycle

Beta 1 - both were 16 days
Beta 2 - both were 14 days
Beta 3 - 16 was 20 days, 17 was 21 days
Beta 4 - 16 was 14 days, 17 was 12 days
Beta 5 - both were 7 days
** Beta 6 - 16 was 8 days, as of today were at 5 days


iOS 16
Beta 7 was 6 days
Beta 8 was 9 days
RC1 was 5 days
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This is great.
Good effort buddy 👍🏼
 
gtmead09 said:
Revising this post:

iOS 16 vs 17 beta cycle

Beta 1 - both were 16 days
Beta 2 - both were 14 days
Beta 3 - 16 was 20 days, 17 was 21 days
Beta 4 - 16 was 14 days, 17 was 12 days
Beta 5 - both were 7 days
** Beta 6 - 16 was 8 days, as of today were at 5 days


iOS 16
Beta 7 was 6 days
Beta 8 was 9 days
RC1 was 5 days
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So maybe a Wednesday beta this week then, if it tracks 🤷🏽

We're on to your curve balls now Apple, woo who ha haaaa
 
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