When you pre order everything will become clear and they will inform you. You’re asking questions people can only guess.
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iOS 18 Speculation Thread
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When you pre order everything will become clear and they will inform you. You’re asking questions people can only guess.
Hope not, or that’s a good part of the guts of the new redesign left out for everyone else. That would be quite a d**k move IMO.
It’s not as complicated as you are making out.
On the day you are allowed to order, just order. Get it shipped if you can be there to sign for it, or use store pickup if you can’t.
Assuming you live in a country that had a normal supply of iPhone stock, you will get it on day one no matter which method you choose. Apple will have more than enough stock if you order sometime in the first hour.
Chill.
So you think this will be for icloud mail users only? other mail never reach apple's servers...
iCloud and iCloud+ users, yes. I have a couple of my own domain on iCloud+ so no issues for me there, however, i see it as a problem if people want to use iCloud+ with other domains for business purposes. Hope Apple upgrades iCloud+ soon in this regard.
However, there is a possibility that devices with the capability of loading local llms will be able to process the categorization locally and thus enabling the usage of this feature for people using exchange, or other IMAP services in Mail
They never said these features eventually move to the cloud. Private Cloud Compute is a different use-case for upcoming features. The main processing location will always be on-device (and they wont move that off device in the future, makes no sense).
Older devices wont get AI, at least there are no official plans, acknowledgements or even rumors for that happening.
Clear sign that Apple goofed and got caught off guard by the LLM hype and quick advancements (being able to run models on device).
On-topic: no B9 today, RC next week… although I‘d love B9 today since that is still a crap release.
None of these come to non-AI enabled devices… it‘s on-device LLMs doing the classification and evaluation.
I dont think that such a comprehensive email categorization service can work on device using local llms even on 16gb devices. This is an online service and thus will be offered to all customers willing to pay for iCloud+. Maybe, there will be some features that can use local llms, but they will be very limited, such as the current Writing tools etc.
That‘s what you assume, stop phrasing it like it‘s fact and misleading users until you have confirmation for that (or are proven wrong). The last official piece of info is (Apple Intelligence website, newsroom, Keynote) that the mail stuff is part of the on-device LLM package.
Your 16GB statement makes it clear that you have no idea how LLMs work, it is absolutely doable to have the mail classification on-device.
If the day the iPhone goes on sale in stores in 9/20 (as I expect it will be) that’s the day you would also receive your phone by delivery if you order early enough on pre-order day. You don’t need to be up at 4:30 am to pre-order: 4:55 will be fine. Just be aware that there are frequently glitches in the Apple website (and even on the app) on pre-order morning. But that usually results in a delay in ordering of 10-15 minutes. It’s never caused me to not be able to order what I want for delivery on the first day.
Gonna be a lot of disappointed users out there (100% of them, in fact) if this requires 16GB of RAM on an iPhone. Nor has Apple so much as hinted that this will be a paid service.
I’d go back and rewatch the WWDC video and read the source docs. You’ve gotten just about all of the information incorrect here.
We will see. I work a lot with local LLM models and already dangled with MLX etc. People here think they understand how local llms work, but I see that they do not understand completely. The local llm models that are present on the current .1 testing OSes are extremely limited and narrow. An llm that would be able to semantically categorize on a level, that is acceptable to Apple wont be possible on 8GB RAM devices (I assume). But lets see how it pans out. This is a speculation thread so a friendly speculation is what I do with these statements. If they seem like statements of facts, I apologize, english is not my native language 😬
you can think what you want, but the apple website is very clear on this feature:
"On-device categorization organizes your messages and helps you stay up to date across all your accounts. The Primary category includes your most essential emails — like those from people you know and time-sensitive messages. And the rest of your email will be organized into new categories like Transactions for receipts and order confirmations, Promotions for marketing and sales messages, and Updates for newsletters and everything else."
=> https://www.apple.com/ios/ios-18-preview/
It's not even listed as an apple intelligence feature but as an iOS 18 feature. This implies for me that it should work on every device including the ones who don't support apple intelligence
If you get your preorder in quick then typically you get it via ups on launch day Friday. The store is going to have crazy long lines for people that preordered so you may be there a while waiting to pick it up. If you are allowed to ship to where you work and feel comfortable with that I would suggest sending it there if you work that Friday. Just my .02
My argument is that you won't require Apple Intelligence approved devices for this feature to work, but we differ on how we think this feature works. There are people here arguing that this will only be possible with local AI LLMs and thus not available to anything lower than the 15P. We will see. I was under the impression from the post WWDC content, interviewes etc. that this new email categorization relies heavily on PCC and AI in particular, that is why I speculate, that this is reserved to the PCC featureset and not exclusive the 15P (M1) and newer devices...
I think it will indeed be available to every device supported by iOS 18, because if it wasn't, it would have been written on the preview page on the side note at the bottom of the page like apple is used too, or it would have been added to the Apple Intelligence preview page.
BUT I also think it will be on device processing no matter the device. Because again, if it wasn't, the preview page shouldn't mention "on device processing".
So, idk how they manage to make it work, but if they wrote this (for me), it means they know what they are up to.
Maybe, since it's email processing, the process would take more time on older device than on newer one, and they consider that having the mail not categorized right away is not a big deal.
So it's possible that the device sort the emails when the device is locked / during the charge / not heavily used / .. and we will have a "not categorized yet" section in the meantime 🤷♂️
This Mail enhancements are listed under the generic iOS 18 Preview page, rather than the Apple Intelligence Preview one.
From what it looks to me, the Apple Intelligence related features for the Mail app would be the emails summary and the priority section (not to be confused with the primary category). I expect the rest of the features to be available to everyone.
We can only hope we get beta 9 this week! This doesn’t feel like it’s ready for mass release yet, especially launching on the iPhone 16 series.
The .1 b3 was last Wednesday I think, so maybe tomorrow. As to the regular iOS 18 beta, the RC will land on the day of the event, with the logging stuff disabled, so people might get back to normal performance and battery life (after the strain of the betas in the summer, the battery will be worn down quite a bit however).
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The RC doesn’t drop until after the public event, as it usually includes features related to the new devices.
Hoping for a new beta this week, I’ve had my phone freeze up a couple times in beta 3 where I couldn’t even do a hardware restart, only way was to have Siri do it for me.
And am I imagining things or did the beta threads vanish??
And am I imagining things or did the beta threads vanish??
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