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iOS 18 Speculation Thread

I will say though, I find it highly doubtful that Apple intentionally planned an over 3 week gap between 18.3 and the next beta. If the beta is ready, there’s no reason to hold it back from testing. Maybe the new AI features weren’t part of 18.4 in the first place, who knows (none of us do). But at the very least, 18.4 beta wasn’t ready for primetime.
 
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Nathan576 said:
It’s not ready that’s the only explanation at this point. I lost faith in them like a week and a half ago lol.
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I don’t think that’s the only explanation…
I expect, along with the launch of the SE, for Apple to formally announce the features coming in the next couple months in the newsroom post.
Then they can say something like “ available in Beta today”.
 
dannyyankou said:
I just want to point out, Gurman reported that the new Siri with app actions and on screen awareness would delayed until Spring 2025, all the way back in July last year-

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Click on the Mark Gurman tag at the bottom of the article, then look back at all the reports from the past few years. Then tell me how inaccurate he is.
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But this wasn’t even news, though, not even at the time.
Apple announced the schedule all the way back in June at WWDC.
Not necessarily knocking Gurman, he usually gets significantly more information correct than he does wrong, but still. It isn’t wrong to say that he has gotten plenty incorrect throughout the years, and it also isn’t wrong to say that a lot of the time he is literally parroting information that Apple has literally already told us.
 
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Lounge vibes 05 said:
But this wasn’t even news, though, not even at the time.
Apple announced the schedule all the way back in June at WWDC.
Not necessarily knocking Gurman, he usually gets significantly more information correct than he does wrong, but still. It isn’t wrong to say that he has gotten plenty incorrect throughout the years, and it also isn’t wrong to say that a lot of the time he is literally parroting information that Apple has literally already told us.
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I’m not familiar with Apple releasing the rollout schedule. But he did report on it earlier than that, before Apple Intelligence was announced-

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Kal Madda said:
See the text I highlighted in your post. That’s exactly the problem for me. He was generally more accurate a couple years ago, but now I believe his accuracy is a lot more hit or miss. I’ve noticed a decline, and I caution people to not get their hopes up too much based on his predictions because of things like this beta he was just wrong about…
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It’s been since he started that newsletter about a year and a half ago.
A lot easier to be inaccurate when you must post something at least once a week.
I also like Gurman as a reporter but his twitter squabbling with other leakers is just kind of sad. Especially when he will call people out for getting Apple leaks wrong… when he reported the exact same information.
Something something flat sides on Apple Watch Series 7 something something.
 
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dannyyankou said:
I’m not familiar with Apple releasing the rollout schedule.
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WWDC.
Literally at the main keynote, they said on screen awareness, the index and app intents would all arrive “early next year”.
And this was on June 10.
Mark just decided that July 7 would be a good day to repeat all of the same information Apple told us a month earlier.
 
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Nathan576 said:
They do not advertise developer betas as part of a product release.
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Yes they do, observe…


The iOS 18.2, iPadOS 18.2, and macOS Sequoia 15.2 updates that Apple started testing last week are set to be released to the public this December, Apple said today in a newsroom article highlighting Apple Intelligence capabilities.

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This was on the same day as the announcement of the first M4 Mac, expect something very similar with the new SE tomorrow.
Even if they don’t necessarily use the words “developer Beta”, expect them to say something very similar to what’s posted above.
IE: “ these features will be released in iOS 18.4 coming this April”.
Shortly followed by the release of the first beta later that same day.​
 
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Lounge vibes 05 said:
WWDC.
Literally at the main keynote, they said on screen awareness, the index and app intents would all arrive “early next year”.
And this was on June 10.
Mark just decided that July 7 would be a good day to repeat all of the same information Apple told us a month earlier.
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That link I just posted was dated May 30 2024…
 
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dannyyankou said:
Ok, read past the first sentence of the post you just quoted please.
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Literally all that article from May said was that all the features wouldn’t launch at once which is… Obvious? To literally anyone paying attention to Apple’s release schedules over the last seven years.
No offense, but saying something extremely vague, then Apple announces details about that vague thing, and then you just reiterate the exact same details that Apple says… isn’t exactly leaking.
I can tell you right now that 19.0 won’t have all of the same features as 19.5. I can tell you exactly which of those features will be delayed… After Apple tells me first.

To use a more relevant example, Gurman just this week has said that Apple Intelligence is coming to the Vision Pro, a genuine actual leak. Good, cool, no problems so far.
If June comes around and Apple announces intelligence for the Vision Pro… Coming in 2026, and Gurman turns around and says something ridiculous like “ as I reported, the Vision Pro will eventually get Apple Intelligence”… that is no longer a leak. That’s just him repeating what Apple said.
Another example with hardware, last year he said the OLED iPad would launch in March. After it didn’t, he changed his wording to saying that it would launch in the “Spring”.
After the iPad was announced on May 7, he completely ignored everything he may have said previously to jump to “as I reported months ago, the iPad would launch in the spring”. No? You said March, it launched in May, no amount of post event backtracking changes the fact that the iPad did not launch in March.
 
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Lounge vibes 05 said:
Literally all that article from May said was that all the features wouldn’t launch at once which is… Obvious? To literally anyone paying attention to Apple’s release schedules over the last seven years.
No offense, but saying something extremely vague, then Apple announces details about that vague thing, and then you just reiterate the exact same details that Apple says… isn’t exactly leaking.
I can tell you right now that 19.0 won’t have all of the same features as 19.5. I can tell you exactly which of those features will be delayed… After Apple tells me first.

To use a more relevant example, Gurman just this week has said that Apple Intelligence is coming to the Vision Pro, a genuine actual leak. Good, cool, no problems so far.
If June comes around and Apple announces intelligence for the Vision Pro… Coming in 2026, and Gurman turns around and says something ridiculous like “ as I reported, the Vision Pro will eventually get Apple Intelligence”… that is no longer a leak. That’s just him repeating what Apple said.
Another example with hardware, last year he said the OLED iPad would launch in March. After it didn’t, he changed his wording to saying that it would launch in the “Spring”.
After the iPad was announced on May 7, he completely ignored everything he may have said previously to jump to “as I reported months ago, the iPad would launch in the spring”. No? You said March, it launched in May, no amount of post event backtracking changes the fact that the iPad did not launch in March.
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Exactly. If he was just honest about it when he got things wrong, and didn’t try to do all of this reframing to try to be “right” all the time, I think people would be far more forgiving when he gets things wrong. Like he just got it wrong about iOS 18.4 Beta 1. 👍🏻
 
Kal Madda said:
Exactly. If he was just honest about it when he got things wrong, and didn’t try to do all of this reframing to try to be “right” all the time, I think people would be far more forgiving when he gets things wrong. Like he just got it wrong about iOS 18.4 Beta 1. 👍🏻
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One of the reasons I still quite like John Prosser, he actually did genuinely get things correct, which is something that people forget.
But when he got something wrong, he would literally be the first person to start cracking jokes about it.
He also doesn’t take everything so seriously so much of the time, sometimes leaks are just wrong and that’s how it is.
 
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Lounge vibes 05 said:
One of the reasons I still quite like John Prosser, he actually did genuinely get things correct, which is something that people forget.
But when he got something wrong, he would literally be the first person to start cracking jokes about it.
He also doesn’t take everything so seriously so much of the time, sometimes leaks are just wrong and that’s how it is.
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Exactly! 👍🏻. We know it’s a really hard task to get accurate leaks out of Apple, especially in recent years now that Apple has upped their game on catching leakers. They literally will pass out memos with minor deviations in phrasing, punctuation, etc. to nail the people dropping leaks. They’ve been known to share fake info with people who don’t absolutely need to have access to the real info. Many sources were outed. So it’s hard, and I totally get why there can be inaccuracies. But I think the biggest issue is that Gurman is constantly blaming it on Apple “delaying” things and such, rather than just admitting “hey guys, I got it wrong, I guess I had bad info”. I would respect that so much more, and I think his constant reframing of this stuff actually actively hurts his credibility. 👍🏻
 
No one has even thought that maybe there was some super secret hint of a new super secret "new member of the family" that Tim Cook eluded to earlier. Perhaps 18.4 adds a hint of whatever that new family member is. So being released tomorrow after the hint is revealed? Probably.
 
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