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QuarterSwede

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Oct 1, 2005
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Some users on reddit are saying Apple usually fixes performance issues in the final stages of the beta (Beta 5 or GM?). So hopefully we will get a fix soon.
That is usually true but it hasn't been since they switched to Metal. Personally I think it's Metal showing its young age and it's not quite as efficient as they'd like it to be yet.
 
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Jayson A

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It's too bad nobody was allowed to say anything about the performance of iOS 9 betas. After all, it's a beta so it's not going to be smooth and responsive. They just have to disable the debug software that's running in the background.

I now know, all of that was a giant lie because the final version was no better.
 

rmadera

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Jan 26, 2013
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That is usually true but it hasn't been since they switched to Metal. Personally I think it's Metal showing its young age and it's not quite as efficient as they'd like it to be yet.
What's strange is that El Capitan on my late 2013 Retina MacBook Pro is smooth as butter. Way smoother than Yosemite ever was. So Metal seems to be working exceedingly well on the OS X side.
 
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QuarterSwede

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What's strange is that El Capitan on my late 2013 Retina MacBook Pro is smooth as butter. Way smoother than Yosemite ever was. So Metal seems to be working exceedingly well on the OS X side.
And you'd think it would be faster and smoother on iOS as well since there is less overhead. However, I can use my wife's pre-Metal iPhone 5 and it's silky smooth.
 

gordon1234

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What's strange is that El Capitan on my late 2013 Retina MacBook Pro is smooth as butter. Way smoother than Yosemite ever was. So Metal seems to be working exceedingly well on the OS X side.

I think people are getting a tad too focused on metal. El Capitan runs much smoother on both my 2015 retina MacBook Pro, which supports metal, and my 2011 iMac, which does not. Clearly there has been a lot of optimization across the board.
 
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rmadera

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I think people are getting a tad to focused on metal. El Capitan runs much smoother on both my 2015 retina MacBook Pro, which supports metal, and my 2011 iMac, which does not. Clearly there has been a lot of optimization across the board.
I agree. Clearly the great performance of El Cap isn't only due to Metal. But the fact of the matter is that at WWDC, Apple promised that iOS 9 would be smoother around the board because of Metal. This is clearly not the case on my 6s Plus. Makes me wonder if it isn't quite as well implemented as Apple would like it to be.
 

lagwagon

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I agree. Clearly the great performance of El Cap isn't only due to Metal. But the fact of the matter is that at WWDC, Apple promised that iOS 9 would be smoother around the board because of Metal. This is clearly not the case on my 6s Plus. Makes me wonder if it isn't quite as well implemented as Apple would like it to be.

I've said this in another thread and I'll link to it here. Apple never explicitly said Specifically 9.0. They just said iOS 9.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/they-should-let-us-disable-metal.1926638/page-2#post-22052401
 
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Knowlege Bomb

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People should know that no x.0 release from Apple is going to be smooth with the historical evidence we have. That people are disappointed and griping year in and year out is almost comical.

Give it a few updates and enjoy the new features. If the lag/stuttering is too frustrating for you then learn from your mistakes and hold off on updating until you see general happiness across Macrumors.
 
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HankHowdy

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People should know that no x.0 release from Apple is going to be smooth with the historical evidence we have. That people are disappointed and griping year in and year out is almost comical.

Give it a few updates and enjoy the new features. If the lag/stuttering is too frustrating for you then learn from your mistakes and hold off on updating until you see general happiness across Macrumors.


I agree. I should have hold off.
 

ATalkingRock

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C DM

macrumors Sandy Bridge
Oct 17, 2011
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Oh c'mon...now this is really stretching it.
In a sense yes, but we all know not everything gets worked out by the X.0 releases. Each version is ultimately judged by its last update as it usually goes.
 

ATalkingRock

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Oct 3, 2015
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Found this bit odd, but the animation stutter is completely gone when my phone is in landscape mode.

(Talking about cc and quick reply). Hm
 

daio

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Apr 14, 2011
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I'm having serious problems with video playback on my iPad Air 2 under the latest iOS 9.1 beta for developers. I have two devices, one on 9.0.2 and one on 9.1 beta 4. The first device can play all sorts of videos that I have come to expect from iOS whereas the one on beta now struggles to play certain content via JWPlayer that so many sites use. Anyone else experiencing this?

Example. If i go to this website and select the free demo button on the top right of the page, under 9.0.2 the video plays in an instant. On 9.1 beta 4 I am never presented with the playback window instead just a link. I can copy and paste that link into the safari URL bar and video will play but this is not usual expected behaviour.
 

amorcito

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Jan 12, 2010
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I'm having serious problems with video playback on my iPad Air 2 under the latest iOS 9.1 beta for developers. I have two devices, one on 9.0.2 and one on 9.1 beta 4. The first device can play all sorts of videos that I have come to expect from iOS whereas the one on beta now struggles to play certain content via JWPlayer that so many sites use. Anyone else experiencing this?

Example. If i go to this website and select the free demo button on the top right of the page, under 9.0.2 the video plays in an instant. On 9.1 beta 4 I am never presented with the playback window instead just a link. I can copy and paste that link into the safari URL bar and video will play but this is not usual expected behaviour.
Thats no good. Hope that gets fixed. That player works fine on the iphone 6s 9.1b4. My ipad air2 is still rocking 8.3, so I cant test.
 

Merkie

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Oct 23, 2008
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People should know that no x.0 release from Apple is going to be smooth with the historical evidence we have. That people are disappointed and griping year in and year out is almost comical.

Give it a few updates and enjoy the new features. If the lag/stuttering is too frustrating for you then learn from your mistakes and hold off on updating until you see general happiness across Macrumors.
Maybe Apple should just grow up and only release new software when it's actually better. It's 2015, adopt some agile project management. It's not impossible. Apple constrained themselves by tying the new iOS launch to the new iPhones.
 

C DM

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Oct 17, 2011
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Maybe Apple should just grow up and only release new software when it's actually better. It's 2015, adopt some agile project management. It's not impossible. Apple constrained themselves by tying the new iOS launch to the new iPhones.
And then there will be a ton of typical users who don't know any better complaining now their OS isn't new and fresh and cool anymore because they aren't getting shiny new features and new fancy looking animations and transparency effects because that what gets most of them when coupled with new devices in particular, and that is what represents the majority of the customer base that Apple has to appeal to ultimately (since appealing to the 0.01% of the techie user base that nitpicks everything isn't going to keep Apple anywhere close to where they are and sure isn't going to push them ahead).

I agree with the idea of what you are saying, and wish it would truly happen, but just like wishing for world peace, it's one of those great and amazing things to want and to think we could have, but isn't one that is ultimately realistic I this world of ours.
 

Merkie

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And then there will be a ton of typical users who don't know any better complaining now their OS isn't new and fresh and cool anymore because they aren't getting shiny new features and new fancy looking animations and transparency effects because that what gets most of them when coupled with new devices in particular, and that is what represents the majority of the customer base that Apple has to appeal to ultimately (since appealing to the 0.01% of the techie user base that nitpicks everything isn't going to keep Apple anywhere close to where they are and sure isn't going to push them ahead).

I agree with the idea of what you are saying, and wish it would truly happen, but just like wishing for world peace, it's one of those great and amazing things to want and to think we could have, but isn't one that is ultimately realistic I this world of ours.
No, that doesn't have to be the case.

What Apple currently does is this. Introduce 12 new features in semi-finished condition, fix 12 new features throughout the year. End result after one year: 12 working new features.

What Apple (in my opinion) should do is this: introduce 1 new feature every month in perfect condition. End result after on year: 12 working new features.

The end result doesn't necessarily have to suffer. I know it's not all that easy in real life, but that main principle I think is just.
 

C DM

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Oct 17, 2011
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No, that doesn't have to be the case.

What Apple currently does is this. Introduce 12 new features in semi-finished condition, fix 12 new features throughout the year. End result after one year: 12 working new features.

What Apple (in my opinion) should do is this: introduce 1 new feature every month in perfect condition. End result after on year: 12 working new features.

The end result doesn't necessarily have to suffer.
Sure, it doesn't have to be the case, just as many things in the world don't have to be the case, but they are nonetheless. There are smarter and better ways to do many many things, and most of them don't happen that way. That's the plain reality of our world. It would be great if they did, and they really should, but that doesn't make them happen for the most part.
 

Merkie

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Oct 23, 2008
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Sure, it doesn't have to be the case, just as many things in the world don't have to be the case, but they are nonetheless. There are smarter and better ways to do many many things, and most of them don't happen that way. That's the plain reality of our world. It would be great if they did, and they really should, but that doesn't make them happen for the most part.
The main reason it isn't happening is because Apple tied the iOS major update to the new iPhone launch. This creates a peak demand in development efforts. However, development capacity is fixed (sort of), resulting in quite a big backlog. This backlog is causing the large amount of threads all complaining about how crappy iOS XYZ is.

If Apple were to decouple the iOS major update from the new iPhone launch, they could streamline development efforts throughout the year, thereby minimizing the size of the backlog at all times.

I really think Apple should rethink this strategy.
 

AlexNice

macrumors newbie
Oct 11, 2015
18
1
Indonesia
Since Beta 3 i've been having random issues with Touch ID. When you wake up the phone its not even acknowledged, you don't even get the wiggle of a bad password. Although its not all the time, its those times you really need it ;)
Yes, me myself find this problems this morning (6S+)

It makes sense. If you're just downloading it to iTunes, the complete app is needed, because it doesn't know what device you're putting it on. When the specific device requests it from the app store, the "thinned" app can be downloaded with only the device-specific files needed.
OIC, tx for reply bro, maybe next time itunes can detect what device we put when we wanna transfer the apps, so we can take advantages of app thing on iTunes too
 
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