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batting1000

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I find it funny that the guy says stuff like "I'm not seeing any lag, it's very fluid" and I can see stuttering in almost everything he touches. I think that people who claim there is no lag, just aren't sensitive to it so they completely over look it.

Also, did you know that some people can't even see screen tearing in video games when v-sync is off? I find that remarkable because I can see even the slightest hint of screen tearing when it occurs. It really bothers me, but some people are blind to it. It's amazing how different humans can be.

I'm very sensitive to lag, but that video seemed pretty smooth...only lag I saw was dragging down the search bar and scrolling in YouTube...otherwise the home screen was smooth. He didn't really do much, and when I saw "SPOILER ALERT: Its a lagfest" I expected a lot worse.
 

CupertinoSlave

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To be fair, that looks like it was iOS 9.1 beta 1, as the video was uploaded on September 10th. Also, since the iPad mini he was using didn't have Touch ID, it could have very well been the 1st gen (the one that came out in 2012) which basically had identical specs to the iPad 2. He didn't specify.

EDIT: Yep, looks like he was using the 1st gen iPad mini, as he pointed out that there was no new Spotlight screen. This was one of the features that was cut from iOS 9 in A5 devices.
The point was that the person in the video was claiming it was smooth and had no lag when obviously it does.
 

C DM

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I find it funny that the guy says stuff like "I'm not seeing any lag, it's very fluid" and I can see stuttering in almost everything he touches. I think that people who claim there is no lag, just aren't sensitive to it so they completely over look it.

Also, did you know that some people can't even see screen tearing in video games when v-sync is off? I find that remarkable because I can see even the slightest hint of screen tearing when it occurs. It really bothers me, but some people are blind to it. It's amazing how different humans can be.
By the same token something can then also be said about those issues and how trivial and inconsequential their realty must be if there are many people who don't even notice them and even more who don't care about them.
 

C DM

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The point was that the person in the video was claiming it was smooth and had no lag when obviously it does.
And at best all that shows is that one person doesn't notice or care about some lack of smoothness. It really doesn't say anything more or less than that.
 

C DM

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I'm very sensitive to lag, but that video seemed pretty smooth...only lag I saw was dragging down the search bar and scrolling in YouTube...otherwise the home screen was smooth. He didn't really do much, and when I saw "SPOILER ALERT: Its a lagfest" I expected a lot worse.
And there's that too. Minor inconsequential stutter in a few places is somehow horrific and "lagfest" to some it seems.
 

CupertinoSlave

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Okay, then (as stated earlier) he doesn't notice the lack of smoothness in some areas. I still don't get what your point is :confused:
The point is some people just don't notice it. So don't believe the people in this forum who say everything is smooth on iOS 9, because its not.
 

C DM

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The point is some people just don't notice it. So don't believe the people in this forum who say everything is smooth on iOS 9, because its not.
Yes, we know some people don't notice it. But that doesn't relate in any way to the aspect that the same issues don't necessarily exist for everyone and/or exist to the same degree.
 

rmadera

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The point is some people just don't notice it. So don't believe the people in this forum who say everything is smooth on iOS 9, because its not.
Oh trust me, I don't believe them. I'll reserve judgment on 9.1 since I haven't used it personally, but I'm not happy at all with the frame drops I've seen on iOS 9. In fact, frame drops and stutter were introduced beginning with iOS 7, and have persisted every year since. I thought Metal was going to solve this, but it hasn't at all :(
 

rmadera

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iCloud Photo Library... it's syncing fine, but forever says "Uploading 1 photo" even though there's nothing more to upload. Anyone else getting this?
YES! I've been getting this ever since updating to iOS 9 on my iPhone 6. And even restoring a backup onto my 6s Plus hasn't solved the problem. Really weird.
 

TitanTiger

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Oh trust me, I don't believe them. I'll reserve judgment on 9.1 since I haven't used it personally, but I'm not happy at all with the frame drops I've seen on iOS 9. In fact, frame drops and stutter were introduced beginning with iOS 7, and have persisted every year since. I thought Metal was going to solve this, but it hasn't at all :(

Why can't you believe that some people aren't experiencing what you are?
 

rmadera

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Why can't you believe that some people aren't experiencing what you are?
Because honestly, I don't think that it's just not happening to some subset of people. I think it's that some people don't perceive it as an issue, or they don't notice the certain things that I notice. I'd love to be proven wrong, but I really truly believe that that is what's going on here.
 

gordon1234

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Because honestly, I don't think that it's just not happening to some subset of people. I think it's that some people don't perceive it as an issue, or they don't notice the certain things that I notice. I'd love to be proven wrong, but I really truly believe that that is what's going on here.

I actually agree, sort of. I frankly think that certain people are so bothered by even a fraction of a second where something isn't exactly 60 fps and buttery smooth, that they will always find fault. It seemed like everyone was complaining about "stutter" and "lag" in iOS 8 up until 9 came out, then everyone is saying how 8.4 was perfect and 9 is terrible…

I don't think there has ever been a completely "smooth" release of iOS, and I think things generally have been getting better. I remember a few years back, one of my phones (4?) got so choppy on the latest version of iOS that animations for apps opening just wouldn't play at all - it would just kind of "snap" into the app. This was when the phone was less than a year old. I haven't seen anything that bad in years.

And for the record, I do think smoothness and fluidity is important. I remember using Android 4 for the first time on top-tier hardware and being shocked at how nothing was remotely smooth anywhere in the OS (thankfully, this improved greatly with Android 4.1 and above.) I just think some people take it to extremes.
 

Prabas

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I for one, haven't complained about any iOS version before the release of 9. There were no FPS drops. I've used iOS since iPhone 4 and never had problems, I noticed that iPhone 4 had become slow year after year, but I understand that. However, when new devices are stuttering it's not right.

I believe that other people doesn't notice these issues, maybe not on iPhone 6, but those who have iPad Air should be aware of them, because they're really noticeable.

iPhone 6's performance is great for most people, these issues are quite subtle. You may not see them until someone points it out for you.
 
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tigres

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Tmobile wifi calling...
If you call a number that requires you to touch input numbers to navigate a phone tree, they are not recognised by the system. Tried calling ATT 3 times but could not get my responses to go through, but when I tried with wifi off all was well. Must be a wifi calling limitation?
 

TitanTiger

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Because honestly, I don't think that it's just not happening to some subset of people. I think it's that some people don't perceive it as an issue, or they don't notice the certain things that I notice. I'd love to be proven wrong, but I really truly believe that that is what's going on here.


But this isn't a matter of belief. I pay attention to these things. I noticed jaggy stuff when bringing up Control Center when I first got on the iOS9 betas. But at beta 4, it's gone for me. And I can compare an iPhone 5 without Metal side by side with my iPhone 6 and see that they look identical. It's not that it hasn't been an issue, but I think it is getting addressed. You can't account for every iteration of what someone does with their phone, what apps they use, etc. So of course there's going to be some subset that isn't having the same problems. I've had the same thing happen in reverse - where I'm experiencing some sort of weirdness and others aren't reporting it. Big deal.
 

Alyssabell01

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Sep 30, 2015
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Does anyone else's keyboard not show up for a sec when trying to reply to text or something it's just a white block on the bottom of the screen?
 

HankHowdy

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My 5S and and iPad mini 2 have frame drops during appswitcher, CC, opening apps, closing apps and message bubbles animations. Pulling down on a notification banner for quick reply is really laggy and it can hang for a while during animation.

I have tried restore as new with no back up on both devices.

I was previously on 8.4 before coming to iOS 9 and none of those issues exist.

I remember when I had my 4S and I updated to iOS 7, man what a mistake. The smoothness went away. iOS 5 and 6 were fine. Seems like a similar situation here don't go past 2 major iOS updates. I really think Apple doesn't optimize software for the older devices, either it on purpose or to not waste resources and time doing so.
 
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C DM

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I for one, haven't complained about any iOS version before the release of 9. There were no FPS drops. I've used iOS since iPhone 4 and never had problems, I noticed that iPhone 4 had become slow year after year, but I understand that. However, when new devices are stuttering it's not right.

I believe that other people doesn't notice these issues, maybe not on iPhone 6, but those who have iPad Air should be aware of them, because they're really noticeable.

iPhone 6's performance is great for most people, these issues are quite subtle. You may not see them until someone points it out for you.
How could there have not been any complaints about iOS 8.0 or 7.0 from someone that used them? They had far more widespread and severe issues that way more people complained about.
 

Zabac

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Sep 18, 2015
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BETA 4 seems a little bit slower VS BETA 3?

Does anyone have the same experience?

Bluetooth works amazing. Never before phone so fast & easy connects to my car bluetooth.
After BETA 3 i like turning on the iPhone screen while establishing bluetooth connection and while calling directly from headset. Was the same on old Blackberry BOLD 9300 and i was missing this feature until now!

Absolute thumb up!
 

reptarwilleatu

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Well either way it's irrelevant. They always stop signing the old software when a new version is out.
sure, but the point here is that they stopped signing it recently signaling that 9.1 will be dropping soon after...

also your misinformed because when 9.0.2 came out, they stopped signing 9.0 not 9.0.1. it would be silly to stop signing all previous versions besides the current release.
 
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