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iOS 9.3 Beta 2 Bug fixes, Changes and Performance Improvements
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"Forum", whatever. Yeah, I know we are annoying about this whole lag or stutter thing but you are just exaggerating now.
What part is exaggerating there? All the long threads that deal with it all would show that I'm not.
they literally slow down recorded videos and look for dropped frames
Everyone probably knows I complain about this stuff all the time but it's not 59fps. I wouldn't complain about 59fps because I can't tell the difference between 40-60fps let alone 59-60. I do have a problem when something drops to 20-30fps EVERY time though.
You play it down like it isn't an issue but sub 30fps is an issue, that's the point where games for example start becoming "unplayable" from what I've heard in things like GPU reviews for example, how they run a game. That says something, it truly is choppy and extremely annoying to look at when using your phone or large iPad.. Control Center would be smooth at first, then it would finish in like a 20fps second half of the animation with a choppy "bounce" at the end.
Some people literally just can't perceive this sub-30-fps stuff, a friend of mine was playing this game on his laptop, I asked him how it ran and he said "Oh it's running pretty smooth I'm surprised, given how crappy this laptop is", I look at the game, figure he must be joking but he wasn't. I turned on the FPS counter, 14-16FPS. I said "15FPS is horrible how can you play with that" and he was still convinced it was smooth and that there wasn't any issue. We all have different eyes and that's all to say, and in the end, does it matter? No. There's nothing important about seeing different frame rates and such, so yeah I really don't want to start a conflict here I just really am sick of being scoffed at about this stuff, "it isn't a real bug" my ass. You didn't actually say that but many others on your side of the argument have said things like that.
That's just what I had to say, it needs to stop after this because I don't want this thread to be sent spiraling into a lag fight. Hate that.
It could be perfectly balanced to each and every person's liking if Apple would just let us customize CC for ourselves
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https://boallen.com/fps-compare-html5.html
Check the link and jump between 15-30-60 fps and you will see the difference. The biggest problem is actually fluctuations in frame rate and response. When using a mouse or a touch screen and it's not 60hz it won't feel natural when the frame rate isn't stable.
For example, I'd rather play a game that's a solid 30fps than a game that jumps between 30-60fps.
Anyway, 9.3 is running great for me finally on both iPad Air 2 and iPhone 6. Waiting for pb 2.
You can always connect your iOS device and using Xcode you can monitor frame rate in real time, you can even record it and analyse it, where it drops frames etc.
When 9.1 came out I did that with my iPad Air and I couldn't get more than 40fps at any given time, multitasking menu dropped to 15-20fps most of the time.
Back to beta 2;
I don't know if it's true, but it feels like that taptic feedback is weaker.
When 9.1 came out I did that with my iPad Air and I couldn't get more than 40fps at any given time, multitasking menu dropped to 15-20fps most of the time.
Back to beta 2;
I don't know if it's true, but it feels like that taptic feedback is weaker.
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The issue is (not you but some other well-known abusers) say it over and over and over and over like a broken record. Literally every thread that mentions iOS9 they come in and crap it up saying "oh yeh oh yeh? That vid isn't 60fps it means nothing. Lag lag stutter stutter." At some point it's just obnoxious to be obnoxious, and unfortunately mods dont seem to want to just ban these people once and for all. It's the same 4-5 people who just go around abusing it in every thread. I'm sure you know the names too of a few.
As if saying it 50 times on Macrumors will have any influence at all on Apple. More constructive would be to actually SAY IT TO APPLE who cant change it (via email of the beta feedback app). Dont you think?
And as you said, only some people see it; some don't. Why do the people who want to actually discuss the thread topics at hand have to be subjected to stutter/lag debates?
Not really asking you this stuff since you aren't one of the abusers, just more hypothetically why it's just so stupid and annoying
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Yeah, we may be a "broken record" but they finally fixed the control center lag.
I certainly change my wallpaper more than connecting to new wifi routers or Bluetooth devices. Wallpapers solved me a couple clicks on something I (and countless of others) change quite frequently.
No correlation at all.Yeah, we may be a "broken record" but they finally fixed the control center lag.
I doubt anybody does that, except to prove iOS9 has FPS issues.
I can see it clear as day, on every single Apple test device in the Apple store.
I put it down to different eye sensitivity / age / other factors. I play a lot of games, and I can see FPS drops easily since I am used to it.
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Some do. OCD with too much time on their hands or serious mental issues I'm convinced by now.
I do think some people who stare at a screen or games all day and are more sensitive/tuned to it can tell fps differences within reason. BUT that doesn't mean it's the most earth shattering issue with iOS either not that it needs to be said over and over like a broken record; as if we can fix it for them. Time is better used contacting Apple.
Thing is, when there is a huge regression from one version to another, then it is in fact a pretty big issue. Furthermore, since they "upgraded" the graphics pipeline from OpenGL to Metal, it is clearly a problem that has been brought into iOS that didn't need to be.
It's not a "serious mental issue" to notice all the stutters and FPS dips - it's just a serious user experience issue that does need to be looked at by Apple.
BTW - you could say "time is better used contacting Apple" in regards to ANY issue, and we may as well just delete this thread in its entirety as there apparently no use discussing these issues according to you?
Who says they're not working on it? Switching a whole framework isn't optimized overnight. People merely assume Apple doesnt care and isn't doing anything. iOS9 was ONLY released 4 months ago; not even half a year yet.
The problem is the intelligence of these conversations quickly goes from "it laaaaaaags" to a (reasonable) answer of did you contact Apple or submit feedback?" "but it llaaaaaaaaags f-Apple fps sucks stutter lag stutter watch my video." Just bring on the wambulance.
As if WE here on Macrumors have the power to change any of it. One's time i MUCH better spent contact people at Apple about it who can actually do something about it.
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But Apple said that it will be better than ios 8, the fact that the framework is new or that there are only four months is not an excuse. They could've just stick with opengl and release Metal when it is at its full potential in another ios version, maybe 10 or 11.
One can always push stuff back and back. Then you never progress or innovate- take that leap. Some people will never be happy though as eventually it will affect them in some negative way and the flail and wail begins.
Regardless a beta software thread is not the appropriate place. We simply don't need every single thread for every beta release crapped up anymore.
Its like that one coworker who comes in every day oh my life sucks I hate my life and you try to be reasonable about it but every day over and over same crap. Eventually you don't care if it's true or not, you just dont care anymore and are tired of hearing it. Same with this issue.
Sadly it's harder to find a thread NOT crapped up with lag/stutter crap than without around here now due to a certain few.
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Agreed.
Though I also agree with the dude that posted a page or two back about wishing Apple would make the settings icon 3D touch menu dynamic based on your most used/visited settings sub-menus.
It'd be nice if it was actually smart like that vs. the current way that Messages is handled. (Random 3 contacts? Wtf?)
While I'm not one of the lag people, I appreciate following along in these threads to see if there's been any improvement or degradation. A very factual "it's better", "mine goes 60fps", or even "mine has gotten worse" are great updates. People always seem to ask if one particular bug or another was fixed whenever there's a new beta. That's fine. We want to know if it's getting better or worse. It shouldn't be any different for lag and stutter.
What people are sick of are the same people making outrageous claims. We're tired of it spreading throughout the forum, especially in threads that have nothing to do with lag and stutter. We're tired of the hyperbole. We're tired of hearing the back and forth between the same people with the same information. We're tired of video after video. We're tired of not being able to have a reasonable conversation because you leave for an hour and there's 8 new pages about nothing except lag and stutter. We're quite simply sick of all the drama.
Basically, there's a huge difference between reporting your personal findings on lag and stutter and people who want to scrap that poor dead horse off the pavement so they can beat it some more. I'm interested in iOS 9 and want to know the current state. I don't need is to be told it's trash, unusable, a travesty, etc. We know what Apple "promised". We know what Apple delivered. We know they're not the same. We don't need to have that conversation over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. The point has been made. It's been made to the point of people blocking one another because they're sick of hearing the same stuff day after day. THAT is the behavior people are having issues with, not the lag and stutter itself.