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Everything about iOS 9 performing better was either a missed promise or an outright lie.

They claimed 1.6x improvements in animations throughout the OS. You'd think people would have noticed. It's either complaints of lag or defensive responses that it's as good as iOS 8, which is funny because Apple promised more than it performing the same as iOS 8.

Now with Metal, isn't it supposed to benefit only if you're writing from scratch based on Metal? Did Apple port all their UI code to Metal instead of waiting to implement a completely new UI built on Metal from the beginning?

Porting or some kind of emulation is the only reason I could imagine could cause the lag in iOS 9. If that's the case, whoever decided porting was a good idea deserves to be fired... out of a cannon into the sun.


I watched this video without sound as I do all videos of this ilk and see if I can discern a point to the video. I couldn't.
Not clicking on it, but judging by the title all I can say is everybody has an opinion.
Stop debating if you refuse to listen to the opposing argument.
 
Everything about iOS 9 performing better was either a missed promise or an outright lie.

They claimed 1.6x improvements in animations throughout the OS. You'd think people would have noticed. It's either complaints of lag or defensive responses that it's as good as iOS 8, which is funny because Apple promised more than it performing the same as iOS 8.

Now with Metal, isn't it supposed to benefit only if you're writing from scratch based on Metal? Did Apple port all their UI code to Metal instead of waiting to implement a completely new UI built on Metal from the beginning?

Porting or some kind of emulation is the only reason I could imagine could cause the lag in iOS 9. If that's the case, whoever decided porting was a good idea deserves to be fired... out of a cannon into the sun.




Stop debating if you refuse to listen to the opposing argument.
NOthing to debate, I saw the article and it was one persons opinion. Thanks. :)
 
If good software engineering and quality UI design are considered to be nostalgic, then I'm proud to be nostalgic of a time when Apple had top-notch software to match its (still) amazing hardware!
Missed the point - my fault. Every release has the same thread a about bugs and quakity downturn. Only difference being the number of posters since iOS has grown a thousand fold+ and less demands for widgets on the home screen and NFC tag support.


What i find negligent is missing basic, useful things like updating airplane mode to not turn off wifi and bluetooth, not allowing rankings for wifi connections or just disabling auto connecting to specific routers, built in flux, etc. iOS was incredibly bare bones up until 4. Not sure how to wxpect similar performance unless they allow a bare bones "safe mode" or something.

Btw totally agree performance is brutal on some devices so the gripes are warranted. I just cant agree that its a sign of a lack of QAQC.
 
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Everything about iOS 9 performing better was either a missed promise or an outright lie.

They claimed 1.6x improvements in animations throughout the OS. You'd think people would have noticed. It's either complaints of lag or defensive responses that it's as good as iOS 8, which is funny because Apple promised more than it performing the same as iOS 8.

Now with Metal, isn't it supposed to benefit only if you're writing from scratch based on Metal? Did Apple port all their UI code to Metal instead of waiting to implement a completely new UI built on Metal from the beginning?

Porting or some kind of emulation is the only reason I could imagine could cause the lag in iOS 9. If that's the case, whoever decided porting was a good idea deserves to be fired... out of a cannon into the sun.




Stop debating if you refuse to listen to the opposing argument.

You are currently refusing to listen to the opposing argument. Your opinion is not factual.
 
You are currently refusing to listen to the opposing argument. Your opinion is not factual.
Apple's promises of better performance and the fact that performance isn't better in most places, and is in many cases worse, is not my opinion.

It's not my opinion that Apple said iOS 9 would have 1.6x improvements in animations, nor is it my opinion that objective tests show that the 6 Plus and 6s Plus can't maintain framerates of 60 FPS while the iPhone 5 on iOS 6 and even iOS 7 can.
 
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Apple's promises of better performance and the fact that performance isn't better in most places, and is in many cases worse, is not my opinion.

It's not my opinion that Apple said iOS 9 would have 1.6x improvements in animations, nor is it my opinion that objective tests show that the 6 Plus and 6s Plus can't maintain framerates of 60 FPS while the iPhone 5 on iOS 6 and even iOS 7 can.

I think that is the single biggest let down. I have come to expect bugs/defects with iOS launches. What I have not come to expect, especially with Apple's stance in the past, the crap they gave Android for exactly this, and the verbiage from the iOS9 keynote, is a performance degradation on brand new hardware.
 
Apple's promises of better performance and the fact that performance isn't better in most places, and is in many cases worse, is not my opinion.

It's not my opinion that Apple said iOS 9 would have 1.6x improvements in animations, nor is it my opinion that objective tests show that the 6 Plus and 6s Plus can't maintain framerates of 60 FPS while the iPhone 5 on iOS 6 and even iOS 7 can.
I think it's pretty obvious now that as long as Apple keeps the iOS 7 template going, it won't get any better both performance-wise and UI-wise. I think Apple made a huge mistake throwing away the solid pre-iOS 7 formal for the sake of change and we've been paying for it ever since. iOS 7 was when Apple started to lose its edge with their mobile platform and definitely made me reconsider my passion for Apple products. I thought iOS 8 would greatly improve on the UI and performance error that were made in 7, it did not. I thought the iOS 8.4 music app would be an improvement over the iOS 7-8.3 app, but it was actually much worse. I didn't expect anything great from iOS 9 as it was a fairly underwhelming and mediocre update and soon enough, I made the difficult decision to ditch the iPhone for now. iOS needs a complete overhaul in both the UI and engineering departments and until that happens, I won't be buying any new iPhones or iPads for the foreseeable future.
 
Missed the point - my fault. Every release has the same thread a about bugs and quakity downturn. Only difference being the number of posters since iOS has grown a thousand fold+ and less demands for widgets on the home screen and NFC tag support.


What i find negligent is missing basic, useful things like updating airplane mode to not turn off wifi and bluetooth, not allowing rankings for wifi connections or just disabling auto connecting to specific routers, built in flux, etc. iOS was incredibly bare bones up until 4. Not sure how to wxpect similar performance unless they allow a bare bones "safe mode" or something.

Btw totally agree performance is brutal on some devices so the gripes are warranted. I just cant agree that its a sign of a lack of QAQC.

Other than bolded, which can be debated about what airplane mode should do and not really caring about flux (which is a debate in an of itself), the wifi stuff could be made available to advanced users while hiding it for non-technical users, which is apples lowest common denominator.
 
Haha. . . Go back and read last years threads

Apple never promised performance improvements with iOS 8 and there were actually a lot of features in iOS 8. iOS 9 promised performance improvements & is a fairly feature light release so the fact that it is slower for many people is a bit of a joke coming from Apple.

I've still not seen any video, demo, or anything that actually shows iOS 9 running better than iOS 8... Seen tons that show the complete opposite though.
 
For you who install iOS 9 on 5s. Just to remind ourselves, that iOS 7 is brought by 5s, iOS 8 by iPhone 6 and iOS 9 by iPhone 6s. Try to figure out, speed comparison between those 3 (use Geekbench). The question is then, why do we still expect that iOS 9 which brought by device with half speed of of 6s will be as smooth as in 6s? Yes, Apple can make special effort to tweak iOS 9 to run normally in 5s, but I am not sure, the tweak will result much different that the iOS 9 for 6s.
 

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iOS 2 sucked until 2.1
iOS 3 sucked until 3.2
iOS 4 sucked
iOS 5 sucked until 5.1
iOS 6 sucked until 6.1
iOS 7 sucked until 7.1
iOS 8 sucked
iOS 9 sucks at the moment but we're only at x.1 in what seems to be an accelerated 9.x update cycle.
iOS 6 sucked until 6.1? Can you even tell the difference between them? The only meaningful change was making background video playback impossible with Safari in 6.1... which sucked a lot.
 
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For you who install iOS 9 on 5s. Just to remind ourselves, that iOS 7 is brought by 5s, iOS 8 by iPhone 6 and iOS 9 by iPhone 6s. Try to figure out, speed comparison between those 3 (use Geekbench). The question is then, why do we still expect that iOS 9 which brought by device with half speed of of 6s will be as smooth as in 6s? Yes, Apple can make special effort to tweak iOS 9 to run normally in 5s, but I am not sure, the tweak will result much different that the iOS 9 for 6s.
Because it was smooth with iOS 8 and promised performance improvements FOR OLDER DEVICES as well.
 
The new iOS version is built for best performance on its original device. For the olders, it was mentioned only "compatible" or runnable. The hardware spec is so much different. If we look to 4s vs 6s, the hardware spec is more than 10 times faster, which then raised question to ourselves, "Knowing that iOS 9 introduced by 6s, how could, iOS 9 can run as smooth in 4s which 10x slower than 6s?"

Because it was smooth with iOS 8 and promised performance improvements FOR OLDER DEVICES as well.
 

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The new iOS version is built for best performance on its original device. For the olders, it was mentioned only "compatible" or runnable. The hardware spec is so much different. If we look to 4s vs 6s, the hardware spec is more than 10 times faster, which question ourselves, how could, iOS 9 can run as smooth in 4s which 10x slower than 6s?
No Metal.

P.s. stop jerking around with synthetic benchmark scores, they don't mean jack **** in real life usage.
 
iOS 6 sucked until 6.1? Can you even tell the difference between them? The only meaningful change was making background video playback impossible with Safari in 6.1... which sucked a lot.


Agreed. I used iOS 6 on a Touch 5, 3GS and iPad 2 and iPhone 4 and 6.1 was literally the same as 6.0 in terms of speed anyway. iOS6 was the only time I ever felt a device (3GS) get slightly better with a software update.
 
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The wife's 6 plus is smooth on 9.2 and that was an OTA update.
My daughters 6S is horrendous on it out of the box. It freezes,stutters etc.
my 6 is still on 8.3 and that's where I'm staying as its 100% perfect. I'll put up with the "1" on the settings button as there is no way I'll update it.
 
I wonder if the environment around software development has gotten a little too lax under Craig Federighi and post-Jobs. None of us know what Craig is like to work for, maybe he does run a pretty tight ship, but if we go by his on-stage personality he seems pretty laid back compared to Jobs.

Under Jobs the software guys would have worked under threat of 3AM phone calls over the most minor quirks or problems. Maybe now it's become a little too relaxed and things that would have been called out in the past are let by or pushed down the priority list.
 
I wonder if the environment around software development has gotten a little too lax under Craig Federighi and post-Jobs. None of us know what Craig is like to work for, maybe he does run a pretty tight ship, but if we go by his on-stage personality he seems pretty laid back compared to Jobs.

Under Jobs the software guys would have worked under threat of 3AM phone calls over the most minor quirks or problems. Maybe now it's become a little too relaxed and things that would have been called out in the past are let by or pushed down the priority list.
Bugs have existed even in the days when Steve Jobs was around.
 
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