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iOS 9 vs iOS 6
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Thanks for reminding us that everyone has their own opinion.
There is no 3D Touch lag on MY 6s.
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Seems like software catching up with hardware is a theme in the tech industry.
It was never like this at Apple until very recently. The hardware and software always looked and felt on par with each other. Now it's incredibly disjointed.
Oh the joys of selective memory! Be thankful you forgot about disk wiping bug of OSX 10.6, iOS 4 killing iPhone 3G, crashes of Mac OS 1-9 and 2fps GUI refresh of OSX 10.0!
The reminder is still the same old one about pointless exaggerations, extremes, and absolutes. Not surprising it keeps on getting ignored though.
I don't think so; I really like my 6s. Nothing about it feels disjointed. Nothing feels disjointed on any of my Idevices.
No exaggerations in the video above.Just pure visual proof.So you are denying it?
No exaggerations about all kinds of absolutes and extremes in many over-generalized statements that have been made and have many times been shown not to hold up anywhere close to the level that they were stated or implied to be? That's essentially a rhetorical question by now, by the way.
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What I mean by disjointed is that the iOS devices and the iOS software look like the work of two different companies whereas before, it all had a more consistent feel to the entire experience. It's almost if Apple is doing a mirror reversal of Microsoft's development model for Windows, in that Apple makes the hardware but someone else makes the software. That's why the hardware still looks and feels like the Apple we've always known but the software has a very un-Apple 3rd party-esque vibe to it.
Probably. If you look to some of his posts in other forums it's basically like that all the time
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Not to be rude, but his question was the following:"So you are denying it?"
Not to be rude, but perhaps speaking for other people isn't useful or worthwhile?
As for his question, it's a typical deflection of what I was talking about, which is why I didn't feel the need to address it otherwise I would be playing into the deflection. But if you are curious about the question, I can answer it for you: I am not and have not been denying that some visual issues exist in various places. What I've been saying is that there are those who can have them to a more pronounced degree than many others. And that hyperbolic generalizations that stick to extremes and absolutes of just saying that devices are just "ruined" or "unusable" or other things of that nature are not all that useful as they just undermine actual good and valid points and don't represent the reality for the vast majority.
Why do people still bother to try to get through to CD M and I7guy? They're so very happy with their devices, there's nothing wrong with them at all and anyone who says so is just blowing things out of proportion.
I mean, yeah, your phone may lag and run like a cheap piece of crap, but at least you can text and make phone calls on it! So it's at least usable! Who cares about frame drops! It's not like you spent upwards of over $500 for your device just a few months ago.
Also, Apple never said that Metal would provide smoother scrolling and animations (except for they did say that) and they were obviously talking about Safari's JavaScript when they said performance improvements.
Seriously guys. Why does everyone make a big deal about a software release that was supposed to be refined, but released in worse shape than 8.0 was? Yeah, so it lags on even the most powerful iPads and brand new hardware, it doesn't matter because it's usable anyway.
Oh, and the brand new feature called "input blocking" that was introduced into iOS 9, is put in place because iOS 9 already has a hard enough time keeping up with itself. Adding another tap in the middle of an operation would surley cause a meltdown. It's a protective feature so you don't freeze the phone and cause a reboot.
I mean, yeah, your phone may lag and run like a cheap piece of crap, but at least you can text and make phone calls on it! So it's at least usable! Who cares about frame drops! It's not like you spent upwards of over $500 for your device just a few months ago.
Also, Apple never said that Metal would provide smoother scrolling and animations (except for they did say that) and they were obviously talking about Safari's JavaScript when they said performance improvements.
Seriously guys. Why does everyone make a big deal about a software release that was supposed to be refined, but released in worse shape than 8.0 was? Yeah, so it lags on even the most powerful iPads and brand new hardware, it doesn't matter because it's usable anyway.
Oh, and the brand new feature called "input blocking" that was introduced into iOS 9, is put in place because iOS 9 already has a hard enough time keeping up with itself. Adding another tap in the middle of an operation would surley cause a meltdown. It's a protective feature so you don't freeze the phone and cause a reboot.
Lol, I couldn't have said better bro (about the CD M and I7guy part), thanks thumbs up for you.
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This is why they should've never thrown away the formula when they made iOS 7. I get that it was change for the sake of change, but the previous foundation of iOS was rock solid and it had a more visually pleasing UI. Back to the issue of performance, iOS 6 and below was fast and smooth, now incredibly laggy and the animations are kinda choppy. Forstall's presence is definitely missed, there is a definite lack of quality control in the software department at Apple because it's now run by unqualified and inexperienced individuals like Craig and Jony.
iOS 7 is looked upon a bit more fondly now considering how much the performance and overall quality of iOS became afterwards. I did not like iOS 7 to begin with, the design is as ugly as it was then as it is now in iOS 9. iOS 8 was not much better 7, but I will say that 8.4 made it even worse with the new god-awful music app. The music app is still one of the biggest issues I currently have with iOS. From 1-6, it was a simple, elegant and straightforward iPod player, a natural evolution of the standalone iPod devices. With that thrown out the window, I can no longer see the iPhone as a solid and stellar music playing device in the way I used to. It was the iPhone's biggest draw for me as for many others when it came to deciding on a smartphone. Now, the music app is the biggest turnoff for me and I can't consider or recommend the iPhone if you want a simple and unobtrusive music player. To quote Liz Lemon from 30 Rock: "That's a deal breaker!"
Things aren't just black or white and not just us or them--there's talking about issues, and then there's needlessly blowing things out of proportion. Seems like the simple reality of that often gets lost in the underlying biases.
And Apple's quality will keep on slowly slipping away until we have forgotten what it was once like. As I use iOS 9 more and more, the more I am starting to forget how well iOS 8 ran in comparison (because I can't see it side by side), but as time goes on we will forget what a proper iOS is like and just keep accepting sub-par software.
If you take a frog and toss him in boiling water, he'll immediately jump out, knowing that it's gonna harm him. However, if you put a frog in warm water and slowly turn up the heat, he'll stay in until eventually he cooks and dies. That's what I feel like Apple is doing to us... They're slowly dwindling the quality of the software a little bit at a time so that we won't notice as much and over time we'll just accept that it's the way things are.
We're the frog and Apple's iOS is the water.
And that's a much more measured and reasonable way of going about the discussion in relation to it all, as opposed to just throwing out what are essentially talking points about things just being "horrible" or "unusable" or "ruined" and occasional comparisons to Android, none of which really contribute much of anything useful or further the discussion in any real way.
Alright so I agree sometimes people blow things out of proportion, but it goes both ways. When guys like you take such a defensive stance, you make it sound like iOS 9 is amazing and doesn't really need any fixing. And then we get updates like iOS 9.3 which are night and day in terms of fixing the stuttering in 9.0, which proves there was something 'wrong' and that fixing it was beneficial.
But the other issue is this: when you take such a defensive position, you are promoting that people stay happy as it is, accept the bug/stuttering regardless of how significant or subtle it is (user discretion) and not report bugs to Apple. We don't need that. We need people to identify what's wrong and report it regardless of how subtle it is. Because iOS 9.3 proved that there was something that wasn't as good as it could be, and fixed it.
I can only speak for myself, and I don't think I've been taking such a stance to such a degree.
Sure it goes both ways. But I don't think everyone who's taken a "defensive stance" has said it was perfect and didn't need to be fixed. The defensive stance taken is against the blown out of proportion statements and not the issue themselves. I've reported just about everything that gets debated to no end through the Feedback app since the limited access launch of 8.3 Public Beta. Even things that I seem to be "defending".
It's silly to assume that because "we" come off as defending Apple we don't also send in the required feedback. Everyone wants iOS to be the best it can be. As for being happy and just accepting it. Accepting is kinda all one can do, because the only thing that can be done is report via feedback and wait. Sometimes the wait is far longer than one would like, but that's just how it is quite frankly. Apple uses a three tier system p1, p2 and p3. Something like frame drops in carrier data in Settings is most definitely not lumped into p1 (p1 being critical issues that break functions or cause major crashes.) It's probably way down in p3, maaaaybe p2 at best. So it takes time to get down the list. Music JUST got things in the last couple updates that have been asked for since 8.4 release. (just to give an example of how long it can take to tackle p2, p3 issues or improvements)
I think there are many cases where both sides get misunderstood. I swear I got a 6s in part thinking it'd fix the stuttering on my 5s, and when I realized even my 6s showed the same symptoms (to a lesser degree, but still there), I realized iOS 9 was at fault and was quite frustrated by that. Saying it's "horrible" or "ridiculous" can be received negatively by some of you, but it reflects the true frustration of some users that refuse to accept it as a minor issue, which also reflects the fact that some of us have different tolerances from others.
But you know, in my own family, even the most casual users get bothered by sluggishness. Some people instead of complaining here will just go out and buy a new Apple device thinking their old device is too old. This is quite frustrating for me, to see that. I don't want my family/friends to waste money because Apple is doing these types of things.
I'm hoping I can understand and accept those of you that aren't bothered by sluggishness much, that don't see it as such a serious issue, I'm sure that's the case and it's not just blind Apple defending.
I also hope Apple keeps being measured by a high standard, Apple profits immensely from premium products that people buy, and they set a very high standard for what to expect.
Or the phone doesn't lag
Nobody in my family is complaining about the 5s. Nobody is complaining about the i6. Not saying it's perfect as IOS 8 wasn't either, but not everybody experiences the same thing whether or not it doesn't bother them or it doesn't happen. As far as the 6s, I could not care there is stuttering in the cellular list, that is something I go into occasionally.
And I don't know about you, but the reason I buy a new idevice is for the new features, and when I buy my iphone 7, we will again have a round-robin of devices in the house.
Yup! You heard it here folks! He says the phone doesn't lag. I guess we all just made it up.
Looks like we can go home now. No sense in talking about this made up lag.