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Mobile OSs iOS and Jelly Bean (merged)
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Microsoft has not fought its way back yet. They have come out with an updated OS that has gotten nice reviews - but people aren't buying them yet.
If you want the other smartphones, than go and get one, and leave this forum.
PS: Why don't you all JB lovers wait until the reviews are in and wait until iOS 6 reviews are in as well, than post your garbage as to which one is the better
Some of us own both iDevices and Android devices. I suggest you leave the forum or don't read the threads, if you have an issue. Love the 'mad' emoticon by the way.
As for JB and iOS6, both beta's are out and can be reviewed. There are already reviews on them.
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Be sure to let iPad 1 owners know this.
Or the iPhone 3G owners that were left behind at 4.2.1Maybe you should amend your stqtement to say 2 years, instead of 3?
Anyway, Jellybean is an incrimental update to ICS, not the next OS.
Be sure to let iPad 1 owners know this.
Maybe you should amend your stqtement to say 2 years, instead of 3?
With Apple's decision to still support the 3GS, I think it is safe to say that they plan to support all devices for at least three years following launch date here on out. Truth be told I am not sure I like that. My feelings are that iOS6 was lackluster due to the fact that they geared it towards running on legacy devices.
Agreed, but only because it's all in one place
Google syncs contacts, calendars and mail to the cloud and it's supported on more platforms than iCloud. Android can sync music to Google play music (although not in my country yet
True that. The stock messenger service blows on Android. It works, but nothing like iMessage. Maybe Google should buy RIM and give all Android based phones BBM! Now that would be awesome.
Anyway, I use GoSMS or Handcent. Apple has the clear advantage here... Nothing except BBM touches iMessage.
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I agree with you. I don't feel devices should be supported past 2 years, due to legacy issues. It was perfect timing for those of us that bought the S3, since JB is about to be released. We lucked out on a matching cycle. Unlike all those Nokia Lumia 900 buyers that are getting screwed over.
I actually find myself wishing there was a better option for GTalk on iOS all the time. I guess it depends on how many android versus iOS users you know. I agree it would be nicer to meld it into one service (as they do in iMessages) but I don't REALLY find myself missing iMessages on my Android device.
Go SMS Pro. You'll be able to do group messaging like and with ios users.
Just enable group messaging in the settings.
This may be the approach I take that way I can use both and see which one I like the best.
I like iOS; seems easier to use and the keyboard is more accurate. Browser experience is good, and of course all of my music is on iTunes, so I'm sort of stuck on that front. I don't have issues with app compatibility, and that nonsense. App use is consistent and the task switcher seems to work perfectly. I can leave my iPhone running for months between updates and it doesn't really seem to slow down much, though now I tend to reboot it once in a while after installing a new app and such.
As with Android, well really I like the ability to default applications with different file formats. For example I can choose a different video player, or browser, or even default my phone calling to Skype instead of the regular phone app. I have SwiftKey 3 which seems to be an improvement over the default keyboard, but it still gives me weird predictions and defaults. For example, if I type P, choose the letter P (in the autocomplete) and then type a space it types out 'Please'; even if I go back to correct it back to 'P', it still autocorrects my correction. That's not good. I have to flash my software between different firmware versions just to get different input languages; for example I want to input in Chinese PinYin and it turns out my firmware doesn't support it. I need an Asian firmware, but then I may be stuck with a bunch of built-in applications I can't use and marketplace restrictions (I know I can get Google IME, but then I have to go back into settings every time I want to switch between keyboards just to get an input language). Speaking of marketplace restictions, another annoyance is the app compatibility. I use Hulu, and of course it doesn't work on my device. Currently I have a Galaxy S III, and even with all it's power I can't seem to be able to run it for a couple days before needing to reboot it. I get browser crashes, apps randomly closing, etc.; not the sort of thing expected in a mature OS. I had earlier Android devices and didn't like them, and right now I'm not very impressed.
Finally an unmentioned OS in this poll, I rather enjoy Windows Phone 7; I'm probably in the minority these days to loving Windows Mobile (6.5 and earlier) and still enjoy using Symbian. I picked up a Samsung Focus with WP7 two years ago and have been very impressed with the usability of the OS. Keyboard is very easy to use. Interface is fluid and easy to look at; love the Xbox Live integration. As I mentioned my previous OS experience, I was disappointed with the rather lackluster application choices, lack of multitasking (things that existed with Windows Mobile 6.5 and earlier, as well as on Symbian). Microsoft seems to have improved on some of these things with Windows Phone 7.5 on my Lumia 900, but it still looks like some work needs done. Right now I'm a bit disappointed that in less than a few months my new Lumia 900 won't be able to support their next generation OS, instead will be stuck on an interim update, Windows Phone 7.8; not a good way to keep loyal users.
As with Android, well really I like the ability to default applications with different file formats. For example I can choose a different video player, or browser, or even default my phone calling to Skype instead of the regular phone app. I have SwiftKey 3 which seems to be an improvement over the default keyboard, but it still gives me weird predictions and defaults. For example, if I type P, choose the letter P (in the autocomplete) and then type a space it types out 'Please'; even if I go back to correct it back to 'P', it still autocorrects my correction. That's not good. I have to flash my software between different firmware versions just to get different input languages; for example I want to input in Chinese PinYin and it turns out my firmware doesn't support it. I need an Asian firmware, but then I may be stuck with a bunch of built-in applications I can't use and marketplace restrictions (I know I can get Google IME, but then I have to go back into settings every time I want to switch between keyboards just to get an input language). Speaking of marketplace restictions, another annoyance is the app compatibility. I use Hulu, and of course it doesn't work on my device. Currently I have a Galaxy S III, and even with all it's power I can't seem to be able to run it for a couple days before needing to reboot it. I get browser crashes, apps randomly closing, etc.; not the sort of thing expected in a mature OS. I had earlier Android devices and didn't like them, and right now I'm not very impressed.
Finally an unmentioned OS in this poll, I rather enjoy Windows Phone 7; I'm probably in the minority these days to loving Windows Mobile (6.5 and earlier) and still enjoy using Symbian. I picked up a Samsung Focus with WP7 two years ago and have been very impressed with the usability of the OS. Keyboard is very easy to use. Interface is fluid and easy to look at; love the Xbox Live integration. As I mentioned my previous OS experience, I was disappointed with the rather lackluster application choices, lack of multitasking (things that existed with Windows Mobile 6.5 and earlier, as well as on Symbian). Microsoft seems to have improved on some of these things with Windows Phone 7.5 on my Lumia 900, but it still looks like some work needs done. Right now I'm a bit disappointed that in less than a few months my new Lumia 900 won't be able to support their next generation OS, instead will be stuck on an interim update, Windows Phone 7.8; not a good way to keep loyal users.
Really? I'm gonna try this on my wife's android. I use iMessage so it's annoying when I can't see her name when we do group messages with friends.
For many people, it doesn't matter that JB4.1 has a longer feature list than iOS 6 (which is up for debate). For many people, like me, it's the iOS-OSX ecosystem that is the killer "app."
For example, I'm a heavy Keynote user. My files get auto-synced between my iPad, my iPhone and, soon (with 10.8), my Macs.
Pages will do it. Numbers will do it. GoodReader will do it. iBooks will do it (even for PDFs, not just purchased items). Many other apps will sync through iCloud to keep data automagically synced. This is huge. Were I to use an Android device (or even multiple Android devices), I'd still need to manually sync many of my apps to/from Dropbox or Google Drive.
Take an app like QuickOffice. I have to manually sync files to one or another cloud service. Google just bought QuickOffice, so I presume Google Drive sync will be built in to some degree in the future, but it's yet to be seen to what degree.
iOS isn't perfect. It's missing many features that other mobile OSs have. Some look to be added in iOS 6, but if we're simply tallying the number of bare features, Apple may lose. But the whole is more than the sum of its parts. And for me, and many, many others, iOS is the better solution.
But that's why more than one OS exists (Android, iOS, Windows Phone, Blackberry, etc.). One size does not fit all.
But this childish my-OS-is-better-than-yours is just stupid. It's just as stupid as it was when it was Windows 95/98/98SE/ME/2000/XP versus MacOS.
Watch what I do on a daily basis and try to replicate it on Android. You can't. Not that Android is crap (some parts are, some aren't IMHO), but show me an Android tablet where I can create/edit a full-featured high-quality Keynote/PowerPoint presentation, connect to an HDMI or VGA projector, sync my phone via BT or WiFi to use as a presentation controller with presenter notes, and do it all while automatically keeping all edits between Mac, tablet and phone in perfect sync. You can't. Tons of people don't need features like this. But tons do. And for them, iOS has the better solution right now.
For example, I'm a heavy Keynote user. My files get auto-synced between my iPad, my iPhone and, soon (with 10.8), my Macs.
Pages will do it. Numbers will do it. GoodReader will do it. iBooks will do it (even for PDFs, not just purchased items). Many other apps will sync through iCloud to keep data automagically synced. This is huge. Were I to use an Android device (or even multiple Android devices), I'd still need to manually sync many of my apps to/from Dropbox or Google Drive.
Take an app like QuickOffice. I have to manually sync files to one or another cloud service. Google just bought QuickOffice, so I presume Google Drive sync will be built in to some degree in the future, but it's yet to be seen to what degree.
iOS isn't perfect. It's missing many features that other mobile OSs have. Some look to be added in iOS 6, but if we're simply tallying the number of bare features, Apple may lose. But the whole is more than the sum of its parts. And for me, and many, many others, iOS is the better solution.
But that's why more than one OS exists (Android, iOS, Windows Phone, Blackberry, etc.). One size does not fit all.
But this childish my-OS-is-better-than-yours is just stupid. It's just as stupid as it was when it was Windows 95/98/98SE/ME/2000/XP versus MacOS.
Watch what I do on a daily basis and try to replicate it on Android. You can't. Not that Android is crap (some parts are, some aren't IMHO), but show me an Android tablet where I can create/edit a full-featured high-quality Keynote/PowerPoint presentation, connect to an HDMI or VGA projector, sync my phone via BT or WiFi to use as a presentation controller with presenter notes, and do it all while automatically keeping all edits between Mac, tablet and phone in perfect sync. You can't. Tons of people don't need features like this. But tons do. And for them, iOS has the better solution right now.
Aside from the fanboy chatter:
I just upgraded my Nexus to a JellyBean Leak and I can say that it is a marked improvement over ICS, bringing new functions that improve the user experience.
I was blown away initially by the voice search/dictation (siri competitor) engine, but ran into some recognition problems later. Maybe I just don't know the proper commands yet, but bringing up the weather was fast and perfect. The voice is much better than the old voice on Android (Navigation is conducted entirely in this new smooth female voice that sounds completely natural) and MUCH better than SIRI. It's like listening to a 29 y/o female talking to you on the phone. No stuttering, no AI tinge.
Cards is cool, and has already come in handy a few times. I love how if you have an appt with the address on there, it will automatically calculate your route time, and give you an easy one-click navigation option. When your appt is over, it automatically calculates your route back home. AWESOME. You also get traffic info both ways, which was crucial today for LA traffic.
You get email blurbs in the notification bar now, which is great, and voicemail transcription through google voice in there too. Awesome.
New animations, some things are smoother/faaster, etc. All great. Very few problems. In fact, none for me personally.
I can't wait until the custom ROMS.
Overall, compared to iOS, I would say Android is innovating more in utility, while iOS innovates more in smoothness/user experience/design/build quality. Just my personal opinion.
This is coming from an iphone 3gs user, that went through 4 diff android models, and was/am considering going back to the new iphone 5 when it comes out.
I just upgraded my Nexus to a JellyBean Leak and I can say that it is a marked improvement over ICS, bringing new functions that improve the user experience.
I was blown away initially by the voice search/dictation (siri competitor) engine, but ran into some recognition problems later. Maybe I just don't know the proper commands yet, but bringing up the weather was fast and perfect. The voice is much better than the old voice on Android (Navigation is conducted entirely in this new smooth female voice that sounds completely natural) and MUCH better than SIRI. It's like listening to a 29 y/o female talking to you on the phone. No stuttering, no AI tinge.
Cards is cool, and has already come in handy a few times. I love how if you have an appt with the address on there, it will automatically calculate your route time, and give you an easy one-click navigation option. When your appt is over, it automatically calculates your route back home. AWESOME. You also get traffic info both ways, which was crucial today for LA traffic.
You get email blurbs in the notification bar now, which is great, and voicemail transcription through google voice in there too. Awesome.
New animations, some things are smoother/faaster, etc. All great. Very few problems. In fact, none for me personally.
I can't wait until the custom ROMS.
Overall, compared to iOS, I would say Android is innovating more in utility, while iOS innovates more in smoothness/user experience/design/build quality. Just my personal opinion.
This is coming from an iphone 3gs user, that went through 4 diff android models, and was/am considering going back to the new iphone 5 when it comes out.
Very astute observation. I agree 100%. Everything in iOS 6 smacks of polish in developer tools. Apple apparently is going to lean heavily on developer to cover the gaps.
I'll admit, GTalk on Android sucks. You can't even send pictures on it. It needs to be turned into a full BBM/Whatsapp/iMessage-like suite, but without the closed nature of iMessage. I'd like to have those messages sync to my account that I can access on any web browser and be able to chat with anybody on an IM service that uses XMPP.
That being said, Apple should make the Messages app more like the OSX beta Messages app, where you can chat with people on other networks.
What? Where did I ever say that? I consider myself a tech enthusiast, I like all technology.
Well, since very few companies use Keynote in comparison to M$ Office and Powerpoint, let's stick with powerpoint, shall we? I'll use my S3 as an example.
Using Google docs (which is accessible by ios, android and windows and saved in the cloud via GDrive), everyone in my meeting will automatically be able to read/write (since I will have given them permissions to this 'team' folder) in word docs or powerpoint and make changes in real time via auto-syncing.
Next, I'll simple connect my phone via bt to a bt mouse and bt keyboard and hdmi direct to whatever kind of display there is. Now my phone will act just like any pc and display just like a regular pc, with arrow pointer, click and drag, open apps with a click of the mouse, go through folders, etc.... Now, just to add a bit of fun, let's say we want to show a video while presenting on the same screen. Just click on the vid file and click the pop-up play button. Now we can see the video play in a small section of the screen while we continue presenting our powerpoint. And we can click and drag the video anywhere we want, even partially or completely off screen, but still hear it.
This is why Google Drive was added to the app store today. Cross collaberation and team effort, regardless if you are on a pc, mac, android phone, iphone or windows phone or any tablet.
So, really, which is the best solution for people today? The one that can't do as much and is stuck to one manufacturer? Or the one available to everyone and can function like a 'team' player?
Well, since very few companies use Keynote in comparison to M$ Office and Powerpoint, let's stick with powerpoint, shall we? I'll use my S3 as an example.
Using Google docs (which is accessible by ios, android and windows and saved in the cloud via GDrive), everyone in my meeting will automatically be able to read/write (since I will have given them permissions to this 'team' folder) in word docs or powerpoint and make changes in real time via auto-syncing.
Next, I'll simple connect my phone via bt to a bt mouse and bt keyboard and hdmi direct to whatever kind of display there is. Now my phone will act just like any pc and display just like a regular pc, with arrow pointer, click and drag, open apps with a click of the mouse, go through folders, etc.... Now, just to add a bit of fun, let's say we want to show a video while presenting on the same screen. Just click on the vid file and click the pop-up play button. Now we can see the video play in a small section of the screen while we continue presenting our powerpoint. And we can click and drag the video anywhere we want, even partially or completely off screen, but still hear it.
This is why Google Drive was added to the app store today. Cross collaberation and team effort, regardless if you are on a pc, mac, android phone, iphone or windows phone or any tablet.
So, really, which is the best solution for people today? The one that can't do as much and is stuck to one manufacturer? Or the one available to everyone and can function like a 'team' player?
Can't do as much? Have you compared Google Docs to Keynote? Have you compared a bluetooth mouse to Keynote Remote on the iPhone?
Having a separate video overlay on your presentation? Highlighting the importance of giving your presentation audience the power to edit your presentation (assuming they sign up with Google)?
This example exemplifies exactly what sets iOS apart from Android. Yes, both salesmen can walk in and pitch their services, but xraydoc's example will look professional, while yours...won't.
If you can look at the example xraydoc described, compare it to yours, and honestly believe yours is the "best solution for people today", then you don't get it.
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Everything you said can fall under the definition of utility. By the way, my Windows Mobile from 2005 did all of that
Everything you said can fall under the definition of utility. By the way, my Windows Mobile from 2005 did all of that
Thanks for proving my point. Even more embarrassing that iOS cannot do this
Thanks for proving my point. Even more embarrassing that iOS cannot do this
That depends on your viewpoint. Do you find it embarrassing when my iPhone 4S does something your phone cannot do?
I had a 4s with my Maxx. I really can't think of one important thing the 4s could do the Maxx couldn't. However, I can think of at least 20 things off the top of my head the Maxx can do the 4s couldn't...run at LTE speeds, use an SD card, flash, go 3 times as long without a charge...