Mobile OSs iOS and Jelly Bean (merged)

[DodgeV83]

I didn't realize macrurnors got infested with so many trolls

The lack of mod intervention is probably intentional. The more people who come to make circular arguments, the more eyeballs there are for ad revenue.

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I had a 4s with my Maxx. I really can't think of one important thing the 4s could do the Maxx couldn't. However, I can think of at least 20 things off the top of my head the Maxx can do the 4s couldn't...run at LTE speeds, use an SD card, flash, go 3 times as long without a charge...

Yes, and I made a thread with over 100 points that I think the iPhone 4S does best. Are you really going to bring this argument into every thread?

 

[mbell1975]

Yes, and I made a thread with over 100 points that I think the iPhone 4S does best. Are you really going to bring this argument into every thread?

Point is, the things you listed can be done on an Android phone, most of them in fact. I just listed things you absolutely cannot do on or with an iPhone. You fail.

 

[depths]

I've spent a few hours with JB now, It's a very nice update.

Faster stock than the custom ROM/ kernel I was using on ICS and damn it's smooth. IOS smooth.

I feel a bit bad for all the sg3 owners that will have to wait for this. It's going to be amazing on that phone.

 

[mbell1975]

I've spent a few hours with JB now, It's a very nice update.

Faster stock than the custom ROM/ kernel I was using on ICS and damn it's smooth. IOS smooth.

I feel a bit bad for all the sg3 owners that will have to wait for this. It's going to be amazing on that phone.

Wont have to wait too long. Someone on XDA already has it running on his S3. a JB ROM could be coming much sooner than later.

 

[0m3ga]

Can't do as much? Have you compared Google Docs to Keynote? Have you compared a bluetooth mouse to Keynote Remote on the iPhone?

Having a separate video overlay on your presentation? Highlighting the importance of giving your presentation audience the power to edit your presentation (assuming they sign up with Google)?

This example exemplifies exactly what sets iOS apart from Android. Yes, both salesmen can walk in and pitch their services, but xraydoc's example will look professional, while yours...won't.

If you can look at the example xraydoc described, compare it to yours, and honestly believe yours is the "best solution for people today", then you don't get it.

hmmm, wondering if you have ever used Google docs and collaberation tools? Answer = Nope. Again, talking crap about things you have no clue about. When you get a clue, or hell maybe even touched a phone like the S3, we might pay attention to anything you have to say. Until then, anything you say is worthless.

 

[depths]

Wont have to wait too long. Someone on XDA already has it running on his S3. a JB ROM could be coming much sooner than later.

I love XDA

 

[jeffe]

Posting Android news on the front page practically encourages the conversation of comparing IOS to Android.

The lack of mod intervention is probably intentional. The more people who come to make circular arguments, the more eyeballs there are for ad revenue.

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Yes, and I made a thread with over 100 points that I think the iPhone 4S does best. Are you really going to bring this argument into every thread?

 

[nuckinfutz]

I see all is correct in the world again. iOS 6 is winning. I guess butter and widgets weren't enough


Mbell

SD card slots
LTE
Battery

Hardware features. iOS 6 crushes Android.

How many languages does Google Now support
How fast is the graphic subsystem?
What sync (beside the web) does it offer?

Apple wins all day every day.

 

[mbell1975]

I see all is correct in the world again. iOS 6 is winning. I guess butter and widgets weren't enough


Mbell

SD card slots
LTE
Battery

Hardware features. iOS 6 crushes Android.

How many languages does Google Now support
How fast is the graphic subsystem?
What sync (beside the web) does it offer?

Apple wins all day every day.

Yea, you let me know when you can set Chrome as your default browser or open a link with something other than Safari. Let me know when you can download an app not from the app store, or when you aren't forced to use iTunes for everything, or when you can download MP3s from the web or browse flash sites or manage your files with a file manager or.... You get the idea...

 

[depths]

How are you finding JB nuckinfutz?

 

[DodgeV83]

Point is, the things you listed can be done on an Android phone, most of them in fact. I just listed things you absolutely cannot do on or with an iPhone. You fail.

Based on my experience on debating with you, this is what's going to happen:

My next post will describe, in great detail, all of the things the iPhone 4S can do, that whichever phone you're comparing it to can't. I will then continue to describe the things they can both do, but the iPhone 4S does markedly better. I will provide links to specific Apple exclusive apps and functionalities, anecdotes from co-workers who claim certain work-related tasks are impossible on Android, screenshots and photos highlighting how the iPhone 4S outperformed the Android phone in identical situations, I'll quote an Android developer saying something is impossible on the platform, due to Android limitations, so they focused exclusively on iOS, I'll even include a video of the two phones in action, where the Android deficiencies are highlighted with video proof.

I will provide irrefutable technical evidence proving you wrong, while pointing out the logical fallacies in your argument, linking to the definitions of said fallacies and showing word-for-word how your argument applies.

...and you'll just do it again in the next thread.

Even your above statement isn't logically consistent. If "most" of the things I listed are possible on Android, then it must be true that some of the things I posted are not. Yet your next sentence claims I failed to list anything that's not possible on Android.

 

[Leet Apple]

iOS 6 > Jelly Bean

 

[if0nez]

More of the Same

All that matters is what you prefer, if you want a phone that just works, looks like everyone elses and is easy to use than get an iphone. (this reminds me of Henry Ford when he said you can have a model T in any color as long as it's black!) iOS is not bad, their development is slower than android, and they have copied alot from android, and VICE VERSA. Every single current smartphone has copied (and improved upon) the original iphone, so what. What should be taken from this mess is that all of these phones (windows, android, ios) are great capable phones. The only reason windows is around imo though, is because they have so much damn money. The other two at least innovate, windows seems to kind of tag along and stay afloat with their vast sums of cash. But to say apple doesn't innovate is ignorant, they have dictated the direction of (at the very least in terms of looks) almost all the markets they have touched in the last 10 years. You can't ignore this. However android is a great competitor, there is also a reason they exploded on the scene. They support a massive (probably too massive) amount of hardware and have innovated the smartphone in many ways. IMO the only place they sort of lag behind is the over all fluidness and 'finalized' feel of the OS. Emphasis on "sort of". And they are ahead in other areas (4g anyone?) Personally I prefer android, because I feel like it is my phone, not a phone Apple lets me use how they want me to use it.

For example, for most of my friends I would recommend android, for my parents I would recommend apple.

my two cents: I also hate the bloatware that t-mobile puts on android phones that you have to root to uninstall, so lame...not sure about other companies, but I would really just prefer the stock OS with maybe a few tweaks for the specific phone. At least iphone doesn't bloatware like 50 apps on their phones.

Long live all of the companies!

 

[mbell1975]

Even your above statement isn't logically consistent. If "most" of the things I listed are possible on Android, then it must be true that some of the things I posted are not. Yet your next sentence claims I failed to list anything that's not possible on Android.

You read that wrong. I was saying most Android phones can do everything you listed. The newer ones can easily do anything an iPhone can

 

[nuckinfutz]

How are you finding JB nuckinfutz?

I'll let you know when I get my Nexus 7 (provided and iPad mini doesn't get announced in Fall)

I think JB is decent though it's been largely demoed on fast hardware. I've got iOS 5.x running on a single core A4 processor and it feels 90% as fast as the JB vids i've seen so far.

Based on my experience on debating with you, this is what's going to happen:

My next post will describe, in great detail, all of the things the iPhone 4S can do, that whichever phone you're comparing it to can't. I will then continue to describe the things they can both do, but the iPhone 4S does markedly better. I will provide links to specific Apple exclusive apps and functionalities, anecdotes from co-workers who claim certain work-related tasks are impossible on Android, screenshots and photos highlighting how the iPhone 4S outperformed the Android phone in identical situations, I'll quote an Android developer saying something is impossible on the platform, due to Android limitations, so they focused exclusively on iOS, I'll even include a video of the two phones in action, where the Android deficiencies are highlighted with video proof.

I will provide irrefutable technical evidence proving you wrong, while pointing out the logical fallacies in your argument, linking to the definitions of said fallacies and showing word-for-word how your argument applies.

...and you'll just do it again in the next thread.

Even your above statement isn't logically consistent. If "most" of the things I listed are possible on Android, then it must be true that some of the things I posted are not. Yet your next sentence claims I failed to list anything that's not possible on Android.

 

[depths]

iOS 6 > Jelly Bean

Good point.

 

[DodgeV83]

hmmm, wondering if you have ever used Google docs and collaberation tools? Answer = Nope. Again, talking crap about things you have no clue about. When you get a clue, or hell maybe even touched a phone like the S3, we might pay attention to anything you have to say. Until then, anything you say is worthless.

You are attacking me, instead of my argument, based on your assumptions of my knowledge, which themselves are based solely on your personal opinion of my conclusions.

An ad hominem argument is any that attempts to counter another’s claims or conclusions by attacking the person, rather than addressing the argument itself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Is it really your statement that connecting your S3 to a Bluetooth mouse and keyboard to run a presentation off of Google Docs, while clicking through folders during the presentation to overlay a video on top of everything, is the "best solution for people today" who are looking to give a professional presentation?

 

[mbell1975]

I'll let you know when I get my Nexus 7 (provided and iPad mini doesn't get announced in Fall)

I think JB is decent though it's been largely demoed on fast hardware.

LOL what? It's been demoed on the Galaxy Nexus which is last years hardware. Put it on a quadcore S3 and it will obliterate the 4s

 

[nuckinfutz]

LOL what? It's been demoed on the Galaxy Nexus which is last years hardware. Put it on a quadcore S3 and it will obliterate the 4s

Dual Core 1.2Ghz is pretty solid hardware. Android isn't going to obliterate anything from Apple because the OS sucks for optimization.

 

[0m3ga]

You are attacking me, instead of my argument, based on your assumptions of my knowledge, which themselves are based solely on your personal opinion of my conclusions.

I can base it on your responses. Your ignorance of Android, and in particular the S3, would be obvious to a 5 year old kid.
Additionally, your lack of acknowledgement is a clear indicator of the truth. And as I said in my last post, your posts are actually less than worthless since you simply make ****** up.

Is it really your statement that connecting your S3 to a Bluetooth mouse and keyboard to run a presentation off of Google Docs, while clicking through folders during the presentation to overlay a video on top of everything, is the "best solution for people today" who are looking to give a professional presentation?

Seriously dude, you really need to just stop commenting on this topic. You know less than nothing on this. But let me simplify this for you. The S3 turns into a PC in every respect when you link it up. Can you comprehend this. I'll repeat. The S3 replicates a PC. It looks and acts like a pc. So using a PC to do a presentation is not professional in your opinion?

You really, really need an education on the capabilities of Google, Android and in particular the S3.

 

[mbell1975]

Dual Core 1.2Ghz is pretty solid hardware. Android isn't going to obliterate anything from Apple because the OS sucks for optimization.

Wrong. The international S3 already smokes the 4s in every CPU and GPU test. Put JB on it and it beats it even worse

http://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-galaxy-s3-gets-benchmarked-82647/

 

[0m3ga]

Dual Core 1.2Ghz is pretty solid hardware. Android isn't going to obliterate anything from Apple because the OS sucks for optimization.

I guess you must be smarter than every benchmark reviewer and a site like Anandtech then? Must be nice living in your world.

Here are just a few quotes from Anandtech regarding the S3 and 4.0.4:

Though (understandably) not as quick as the Snapdragon S4 based One X, the SGS3 does extremely well here - likely due in no small part to whatever browser optimizations ship in Samsung's 4.0.4 build. As Brian put it when he first got time with the device: it's butter.

What's particularly insane is that Samsung is able to deliver better performance than the iPhone 4S, the previous king-of-the-GPU-hill in these tests.

 

[DodgeV83]

These aren't unknown sources. These are developers with high traffic websites who release their source code, officially recognized and reviewed by major publications, with a huge paper trail headed to their bank accounts from donations. They aren't some shady guy lurking in some forum. They're people with a reputation to uphold that can easily be found and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

Sure, I wouldn't trust some custom ROM that was cobbled by some kid on a forum that few people frequent, but that's where your intelligence comes in so you can avoid that.

And btw, the carriers have power because Google allowed them to have that power due to their business model, since getting this OS into as many people's hands is how they do business. This is why Apple only started on AT&T at first.

I have two responses to this:

1. Simply having a website, and a PayPal account which may or may not be linked to a bank account (how do you know?), is not verification that he/she isn't a scammer. Nor does it confirm that the binary you're downloading is from the same source code that has been reviewed by major publications. I read more complicated schemes on www.krebsonsecurity.com almost daily.

2. While the big ROMs are, not all ROMs on XDA are made from these better known developers. A large number of people download ROMs everyday from these lesser known devs, all from the same website.

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I can base it on your responses. Your ignorance of Android, and in particular the S3, would be obvious to a 5 year old kid.
Additionally, your lack of acknowledgement is a clear indicator of the truth. And as I said in my last post, your posts are actually less than worthless since you simply make ****** up.



Seriously dude, you really need to just stop commenting on this topic. You know less than nothing on this. But let me simplify this for you. The S3 turns into a PC in every respect when you link it up. Can you comprehend this. I'll repeat. The S3 replicates a PC. It looks and acts like a pc. So using a PC to do a presentation is not professional in your opinion?

You really, really need an education on the capabilities of Google, Android and in particular the S3.

You didn't answer my question:

Is it really your statement that connecting your S3 to a Bluetooth mouse and keyboard to run a presentation off of Google Docs, while clicking through folders during the presentation to overlay a video on top of everything, is the "best solution for people today" who are looking to give a professional presentation?

 

[0m3ga]

I see all is correct in the world again. iOS 6 is winning. I guess butter and widgets weren't enough


Mbell

SD card slots
LTE
Battery

Hardware features. iOS 6 crushes Android.

How many languages does Google Now support
How fast is the graphic subsystem?
What sync (beside the web) does it offer?

Apple wins all day every day.

Interesting. Didn't realize having a lack of features makes an OS better? If so, sure iOS6 is better.

By the way, just had a little look on language support. Google and Android support 40 languages. iOS = 34
So less is better?

 

[nuckinfutz]

Breaking:

New smartphone due in July 2012 bests and iPhone delivered in Oct 2012.


Geez thanks guys. Don't know what i'd do without your incomparable intelligence in benchmark sleuthing.