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_Refurbished_

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Like I said, reality simply disagrees with that given many reports of people with the same devices and same iOS versions having different problems that others don't have.

Just because two different people report two different things, doesn't make them different. I may think that 30fps is acceptable and you may think 60fps is acceptable. That's subjective. What isn't subjective is the actual performance being achieved on both devices. I may think 30fps is the bees knees, while you're in the corner complaining that your device doesn't run at 60fps, even though both devices are running at the same 30fps. That's where the issue of personal experiences come into play, and why this thread was created in the first place
 

dk001

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Even BMWs are not perfect and have their share of issues and what people want to improve in them or which they had or did (plenty of BMW forums will tell you that). There's no perfection out there.

We should want something better but we should still have realistic expectations when it comes to X.0 releases. There will be issues, and what they are and the degree to which they affect things plays a role. They should be fixed and in most cases many of them do. But just because some of them are there--the types of what is being discussed here--doesn't make something horrible and unusable.

Plenty of people drive BMWs with minor quirks and things they wish would be better or are missing, and they still enjoy them and BMW is still considered to be a great luxury care nonetheless. It would be great if everything was always great, but reality doesn't work like that.

A hear you however your comment really doesn't apply. I live were $100,000+ cars are a common item. Then you are using the "...horrible and unusable..." term again. Get a grip. It's not"...horrible and unusable...".

I bought a new car a couple years ago and I went in with two different mindsets regarding expectation. I looked at Acura and BMW. Then I looked at Honda and Ford. My expectations regarding initial quality and performance were completely different. I didn't expect the Fusion to be at the same level as the 3-series. A Civic isn't a TSX.

Both level of buyers will complain. They will complain about different items/issues. They will accept differing levels of "fixes". That is the point. That is exactly what buyers of the iPhone are "evolving" too. We have a top tier device that is becoming a commodity item instead of the rare commodity we perceived it as. User expectations are changing. I still see the iPhone as a BMW. A growing number of others see it as a Ford.
 

C DM

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A hear you however your comment really doesn't apply. I live were $100,000+ cars are a common item. Then you are using the "...horrible and unusable..." term again. Get a grip. It's not"...horrible and unusable...".

I bought a new car a couple years ago and I went in with two different mindsets regarding expectation. I looked at Acura and BMW. Then I looked at Honda and Ford. My expectations regarding initial quality and performance were completely different. I didn't expect the Fusion to be at the same level as the 3-series. A Civic isn't a TSX.

Both level of buyers will complain. They will complain about different items/issues. They will accept differing levels of "fixes". That is the point. That is exactly what buyers of the iPhone are "evolving" too. We have a top tier device that is becoming a commodity item instead of the rare commodity we perceived it as. User expectations are changing. I still see the iPhone as a BMW. A growing number of others see it as a Ford.
And that is the whole point there, it's not horrible and unusable as various people have been repeatedly and unnecessarily trying to make it come of as.

And as you mentioned, it's an item that isn't some rare commodity with unmatched perfection an luxury, at least it hasn't been for some time. Where I live I see more BMWs than Fords, and people would expect more than a Ford, but they don't expect some sort of ultimate perfection and luxury from a car that is at least around these parts is seen as more of a mid-range everyday car than anything else.
 

I7guy

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A hear you however your comment really doesn't apply. I live were $100,000+ cars are a common item. Then you are using the "...horrible and unusable..." term again. Get a grip. It's not"...horrible and unusable...".

I bought a new car a couple years ago and I went in with two different mindsets regarding expectation. I looked at Acura and BMW. Then I looked at Honda and Ford. My expectations regarding initial quality and performance were completely different. I didn't expect the Fusion to be at the same level as the 3-series. A Civic isn't a TSX.

Both level of buyers will complain. They will complain about different items/issues. They will accept differing levels of "fixes". That is the point. That is exactly what buyers of the iPhone are "evolving" too. We have a top tier device that is becoming a commodity item instead of the rare commodity we perceived it as. User expectations are changing. I still see the iPhone as a BMW. A growing number of others see it as a Ford.
This is a commodity. What you pay for is service and support. I do t know how many people perceive this as a Hyundai elentranor an Maserati. With 13 million phones over launch, I doubt Apple cares.

And frankly, anybody can say anything in these forums, but I do recognize you said you view this device as a top tier device.
 

CTHarrryH

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I really wish those who are having these lag, stuttering issues would report on what common apps they have open "all the time" and how many tabs in Safari are normally open. A lot of people are having issues and a bunch of us are having none and there has to be a reason I'm not saying an OS shouldn't be able to handle a reasonable amount of tabs and some common apps but it might help others on the forum figure out what is happening and if app XYSXKIJ is common for those having issues it could help all.
I'm one of the fortunate ones with no issues on my MINI 2 or 6s. Great speed, great battery life etc.
 

Radon87000

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I really wish those who are having these lag, stuttering issues would report on what common apps they have open "all the time" and how many tabs in Safari are normally open. A lot of people are having issues and a bunch of us are having none and there has to be a reason I'm not saying an OS shouldn't be able to handle a reasonable amount of tabs and some common apps but it might help others on the forum figure out what is happening and if app XYSXKIJ is common for those having issues it could help all.
I'm one of the fortunate ones with no issues on my MINI 2 or 6s. Great speed, great battery life etc.
I have nothin open and control centre is heavily stuttering on lock screen
 

Prabas

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Here are my two videos. At least 720p@60fps.

iPad Air


iPhone 6


Compared to iPad, iPhone 6 is buttery smooth. The more noticeable minor stutters on iPhone are in Spotlight and scrolling in applications. On iPad Air... well you can see how bad it is without pointing fingers.

RebornProphet, in your video, when you're in multitasking menu and you tap on home screen 'card', have you noticed how your FPS drops?
 

newellj

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You go out, buy a new iMac, and everything is running smoothly.

A month later Apple releases OSXX and brand new iMacs alongside OSXX.

You try OSXX on your brand new, month old iMac and notice that your system isn't running as well as it did on OSX. You decide to format and install OSX back on your machine. Unfortunately, you're stuck with OSXX as Apple doesn't allow you to revert back to the software that came with your iMac. The only iMacs that work perfectly are the ones that were released alongside OSXX.

Where did this disinformation come from?
 

sanke1

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My 60fps video of iOS 9.1 beta 5 on the Air 2.

Hahaha. Just when you were using the app switcher and you tapped on homescreen tile, it stuttered/lagged at 10 fps to go fullscreen. You didn't notice that, didn't you?

My Air 2 stutters at the same place. It was all smooth on iOS 8 till 8.1.4.
But on iOS 9, it is slowly starting to go on a decline.
 

_Refurbished_

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Where did this disinformation come from?

OSXX isn't a real operating system. It's an imaginary operating system in a world where Apple doesn't allow you to choose the OS of your liking on your Mac, which is comparable to the current situation in iOS. I was responding to someone's post where he or she created a similar scenario.
 

stevemiller

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here's my totally subjective opinion: the iPhone is still plenty usable, but I've found it noticeably less enjoyable to use since iOS 7 onwards.

It's a 1st world problem, I get it. But as someone who works in the industry and enjoys well crafted experiences, i miss being impressed. It's hard and compromises regularly have to be made, I've experienced my own fair share of those. That's what makes it so special when someone does a great job.
 
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I7guy

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here's my totally subjective opinion: the iPhone is still plenty usable, but I've found it noticeably less enjoyable to use since iOS 7 onwards.

It's a 1st world problem, I get it. But as someone who works in the industry and enjoys well crafted experiences, i miss being impressed. It's hard and compromises regularly have to be made, I've experienced my own fair share of those. That's what makes it so special when someone does a great job.
I'm more than impressed with the 6s.
 

_Refurbished_

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Here are my two videos. At least 720p@60fps.

iPad Air


iPhone 6


Compared to iPad, iPhone 6 is buttery smooth. The more noticeable minor stutters on iPhone are in Spotlight and scrolling in applications. On iPad Air... well you can see how bad it is without pointing fingers.

RebornProphet, in your video, when you're in multitasking menu and you tap on home screen 'card', have you noticed how your FPS drops?

Like you said, there's still minor stuttering on the 6. A very good video to show other users the everyday performance of an iPhone 6 on iOS9, however, I wish you had gone into more everyday apps. Thanks for the video, at least someone here is trying :)

My iPad Air is staying firmly on 8.4 w/ my jailbreak. I doubt Apple will ever make it smooth.
 

Radon87000

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here's my totally subjective opinion: the iPhone is still plenty usable, but I've found it noticeably less enjoyable to use since iOS 7 onwards.

It's a 1st world problem, I get it. But as someone who works in the industry and enjoys well crafted experiences, i miss being impressed. It's hard and compromises regularly have to be made, I've experienced my own fair share of those. That's what makes it so special when someone does a great job.
Indeed.If the 6 runs like this on iOS 9 than it will be a pile of dog **** by the time 10 is out
 

C DM

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Indeed.If the 6 runs like this on iOS 9 than it will be a pile of dog **** by the time 10 is out
Or it will be better as iOS updates from iOS 7 and 8 have shown where newer updates were much better in comparison to the initial versions that were released.
 

RebornProphet

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Hahaha. Just when you were using the app switcher and you tapped on homescreen tile, it stuttered/lagged at 10 fps to go fullscreen. You didn't notice that, didn't you?

My Air 2 stutters at the same place. It was all smooth on iOS 8 till 8.1.4.
But on iOS 9, it is slowly starting to go on a decline.

Sorry, I must have missed the joke.

But yes I did notice it, however a) it's not 10fps and b) it was trivial in the grand scheme of things given how smooth everything else is.

So yeah, it wasn't 60, but it wasn't as low as 10.
 
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sanke1

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Sorry, I must have missed the joke.

But yes I did notice it, however a) it's not 10fps and b) it was trivial in the grand scheme of things given how smooth everything else is.

So yeah, it wasn't 60, but it wasn't as low as 10.
I laughed because you proudly mentioned that your iPad Air 2 is very smooth with no stutters. The stutter is clearly there in your video.

That's th exact problem on MR forums these days. Some people who are sensitive to fps drops get highly annoyed by seeing drop in fps. At the end of the day, everyone will get annoyed by the stutter at some point. It just depends on their own thresholds.

Once you see the stutter at a particular place, you cannot un-see it and that's when it starts to get on your nerves.
 
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