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iOS: Annually slowing down our devices

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I7guy said:
Actually the spotlight search apps page is funny as in ha-ha. Scrolling very, very gently no stutter. .
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I also noticed lag on Spotlight search on all iPhone 6S models at my local Apple Store.
You blindly defending Apple gets disgusting. And please stop that "no one has a lag problem" BS that you are writing in every thread.
 
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dark_knight177 said:
I also noticed lag on Spotlight search on all iPhone 6S models at my local Apple Store.
You blindly defending Apple gets disgusting. And please stop that "no one has a lag problem" BS that you are writing in every thread.
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Are you intent on taking on the rest of the population that says they are happy with their Idevices? Might want to cut down on the rhetoric and hyperbole.
 
I7guy said:
Are you intent on taking on the rest of the population that says they are happy with their Idevices? Might want to cut down on the rhetoric and hyperbole.
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No, my intent is taking on ONE person who keeps saying over and over in every single thread that "it's just YOU who have lag, not anyone else".

Your argument is no better than mine. However what gets me, is how you have to defend Apple in every single post and try to downplay the lag. If what you said is true and let's say I am the only person who have a problem with lag, don't you think there wouldn't be so many threads about lag and stutter?

Also, what exactly makes you qualified to speak for the rest of the population who don't have lag? And how did you come up with statistics of people who don't have problems? Have you surveyed every single iPhone owner on Earth?

Maybe, MORE people have lag than you think, it's just that they have better things to do than to complain about it here.
 
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btrach144 said:
I honestly think Apple gets lazy with making each new version of iOS work well on older devices. It works in their favor because they can be sloppy putting together the new iOS and it also forces people to upgrade their devices.

My iPad 3 (iOS 5.1) is over 3.5 years old but it instantly slowed down after installing iOS 6. iOS 7 was the nail in the coffin. iOS 8 and 9 haven't decreased the performance over iOS 7 but they didn't help either.

After spending over a grand 3.5 years ago, I'm now having to consider a new iPad. I had hoped my device would have lasted longer.
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You know what's funny?If we take a hypothetical Windows tablet from 3 years ago with Windows 8 it would still run Windows 10 just like 8 but the iPad is stuttery mess
 
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dark_knight177 said:
Despite criticism of lack of updates on Android, it actually works in Android's favor because it can't intentionally slow down your device.
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But, that's only a convenient rationalization. It's entirely transparent how a "lack of updates" on iDevices would be positioned. Noone would be championing Apple for 'preserving' the operating performance of their iDevice. Instead, it would only be ugly disgusting comments regarding how much Apple doesn't care about their customers, how they sit on a throne of gold, Steve Jobs would never, etc... Not that Apple providing iOS version updates in anyway mitigates such comments :rolleyes:
 
I mean, it makes sense for Apple to annually slow down our devices to get us to upgrade. But the common misconception in they want more money. While this is true(who doesn't want more money?) the real reason is to fight fragmentation. For me, iOS and OS X updates never (noticeably) slows down my iPhone/iPad/Mac. But when everyone is on the latest device, it is easier for developers to make better apps that take advantage of the new iPhones. The other option would be to release phones less frequently, but Apple has a strategy that both makes them more profit and fights fragmentation, so its basically a net gain for everyone.

I'm inviting people to fight me, aren't i?
 
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dark_knight177 said:
No, my intent is taking on ONE person who keeps saying over and over in every single thread that "it's just YOU who have lag, not anyone else".

Your argument is no better than mine. However what gets me, is how you have to defend Apple in every single post and try to downplay the lag. If what you said is true and let's say I am the only person who have a problem with lag, don't you think there wouldn't be so many threads about lag and stutter?

Also, what exactly makes you qualified to speak for the rest of the population who don't have lag? And how did you come up with statistics of people who don't have problems? Have you surveyed every single iPhone owner on Earth?

Maybe, MORE people have lag than you think, it's just that they have better things to do than to complain about it here.
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Maybe the reality is less people have lag than you think and don't come on the Internet to post how much they like their idevice.
 
Radon87000 said:
You know what's funny?If we take a hypothetical Windows tablet from 3 years ago with Windows 8 it would still run Windows 10 just like 8 but the iPad is stuttery mess
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Actually, my original Surface Pro runs Windows 10 nicely. No where as bad as my iPad. Those are facts. You're making assumptions. Facts trump assumptions.
 
I7guy said:
Maybe the reality is less people have lag than you think and don't come on the Internet to post how much they like their idevice.
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Or maybe they just deal with it as they have no choice short of upgrading to 6S.
 
C DM said:
And it seems like someone can make the reverse statements substituting iOS for Windows and vice versa, which is what I was pointing out.
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Erm just No.
iOS in it's history of 8-9 years, has never ever made any iOS decice any faster. It incrementally slows things down. Sometimes with genuine new features or most of the time with useless features like blur and slow animations.

Windows Vista was slow, but subsequent versions of Windows from 7 onwards have nailed their animation code.
If you have graphics drivers installed, the animation never stutters even by 1 percent.
Windows softwares from third parties might get slow due to own bloat and try to make Windows slower, but Windows itself is not slow after a fresh install.
The people who are complaining about Windows have some dodgy app, antivirus or downright bloated factory default install from OEM manufacturers.

From iOS 8 onwards, the lag and stutter has gotten worse. It feels like Android 3.0 (before Google's project butter)
For a second, pickup a Google Nexus 5 or 6 or 6P and see how each transition is rendered at a smooth 60 fps.

Compared to that, even my iPad Air 2 stutters at random places, notably at multitasking screen.
The 1-2 second lag while tapping and launching applications in iOS 9 also feels deliberate. Or they broke a perfectly working earlier code while baking in their Touch 3D code.
 
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dark_knight177 said:
I concur, Apple products get obsolete much faster than say Android. I have old Galaxy S2 still running Android 2.3 and it's more fluid and faster than 4S on iOS 9.

Additionally, my iPhone 6 Plus costing over a grand just 12 months ago, is now running slower on iOS 9 than a Galaxy S4 on Android.

Despite criticism of lack of updates on Android, it actually works in Android's favor because it can't intentionally slow down your device.

Now, imagine if you spent that grand on a PC instead of on iPad 3.5 years go, your PC (costing a grand) would still run fine for at least 5 years. That's exactly the reason why my next tablet will be a Surface Pro 4.

"The claim that iOS 9 makes your iPhone faster" is the biggest lie of 2015. That, in addition to announcement of iPad Pro, despite laughing at Surface and stylus, makes me seriously consider to move away from Apple's ecosystem.
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I've owned LG, Motorola and Samsung Android phones and strongly disagree (politely). There was constant chaotic neglect from Google (OS), the hardware manufacturer (firmware) and VZW (carrier, which had to sign off on updates). What I got in each case was a phone that was basically frozen in time at its purchase date. This affected functionality, features and security. Apple is NOT perfect but in my experience it is better. However, there is a choice: if people really don't like the Apple approach, there is Android (and Windows, if the range of apps isn't critical).
 
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dark_knight177 said:
Your argument is no better than mine.
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...and that pretty much sums up most of these threads. :( No one persuades anyone else. No objective, scientific conclusions are reached (not that that's required and isn't really the purpose of a forum like this anyway). If we took all the stones we toss at each other around here we could build a bridge across the Grand Canyon but mostly we seem to try to replicate the Great Wall...forgive me, just venting. :)
 
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sanke1 said:
Erm just No.
iOS in it's history of 8-9 years, has never ever made any iOS decice any faster. It incrementally slows things down. Sometimes with genuine new features or most of the time with useless features like blur and slow animations.

Windows Vista was slow, but subsequent versions of Windows from 7 onwards have nailed their animation code.
If you have graphics drivers installed, the animation never stutters even by 1 percent.
Windows softwares from third parties might get slow due to own bloat and try to make Windows slower, but Windows itself is not slow after a fresh install.
The people who are complaining about Windows have some dodgy app, antivirus or downright bloated factory default install from OEM manufacturers.

From iOS 8 onwards, the lag and stutter has gotten worse. It feels like Android 3.0 (before Google's project butter)
For a second, pickup a Google Nexus 5 or 6 or 6P and see how each transition is rendered at a smooth 60 fps.

Compared to that, even my iPad Air 2 stutters at random places, notably at multitasking screen.
The 1-2 second lag while tapping and launching applications in iOS 9 also feels deliberate. Or they broke a perfectly working earlier code while baking in their Touch 3D code.
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So all those people who say 8.4.1 was buttery smooth are what?
 
btrach144 said:
Actually, my original Surface Pro runs Windows 10 nicely. No where as bad as my iPad. Those are facts. You're making assumptions. Facts trump assumptions.
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Facts like there being plenty of complaints from Surface users that Windows 10 is laggy for them.
 
newellj said:
FWIW, battery problems are not necessarily iOS-related. Look at the kerfuffle with the FB app.
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I realize this but it doesn't really explain how going from iOS 8.4.1 > iOS 9 would change anything app-side. Maybe they aren't fully optimized for iOS 9, but it would show on the usage if there is anything draining, because I know Facebook would show crap load of background activity. Mine is very usual/routine. So that's why I am putting the blame on iOS 9 for now. I don't even use the Facebook app, mind you. I use Paper. Had to switch stores to get it. Such a pain, lol.
 
I7guy said:
So all those people who say 8.4.1 was buttery smooth are what?
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They are either iPad Air 2 or iPhone 6 and up to a certain extent iPhone 5S users.

iPhone 4S, 5, 5c, 6 Plus, iPad 2, 3, Mini, Air 1 will not ever say it is smooth.

I pity Air 1 and Mini 2,3 owners. Apple had paraded that A7 was so fast SOC but a little bit of transparency/blur rendered it obsolete.

I concur that for us to have lag free/stutter free experience, Apple must completely remove this transparency/blur effect from iOS and come up with better design which is less resource intensive. But instead, they keep on adding extra layers of blur at every conceivable place and we get those random stutters. Blur is also battery sucking as it makes GPU to work little harder.

C DM said:
Facts like there being plenty of complaints from Surface users that Windows 10 is laggy for them.
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That is not a lag caused by Windows itself. It's the third party app or some flop antivirus like McAfee which bogs down those Surface tablets.

Microsoft knows that this installing of apps which mess with registry and system files causes all kinds of problems to users. But at the same time, the apps from their app store pale in comparison to fully featured desktop style apps.

I installed Windows 10 on MBP 2009 which has Nvidia GeForce 9400M. Damn it runs smooth with perfect transition animations and blur even.

But install El Capitan on it and the whole system becomes lagwagon
 
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sanke1 said:
They are either iPad Air 2 or iPhone 6 and up to a certain extent iPhone 5S users.

iPhone 4S, 5, 5c, 6 Plus, iPad 2, 3, Mini, Air 1 will not ever say it is smooth.

I pity Air 1 and Mini 2,3 owners. Apple had paraded that A7 was so fast SOC but a little bit of transparency/blur rendered it obsolete.

I concur that for us to have lag free/stutter free experience, Apple must completely remove this transparency/blur effect from iOS and come up with better design which is less resource intensive. But instead, they keep on adding extra layers of blur at every conceivable place and we get those random stutters. Blur is also battery sucking as it makes GPU to work little harder.


That is not a lag caused by Windows itself. It's the third party app or some flop antivirus like McAfee which bogs down those Surface tablets.

Microsoft knows that this installing of apps which mess with registry and system files causes all kinds of problems to users. But at the same time, the apps from their app store pale in comparison to fully featured desktop style apps.

I installed Windows 10 on MBP 2009 which has Nvidia GeForce 9400M. Damn it runs smooth with perfect transition animations and blur even.

But install El Capitan on it and the whole system becomes lagwagon
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Anecdotally, the majority of posts seem to be related to the ipad mini, air and air 2.

My ipad 2 on ios 9.0.2 works as I expect.
 
I7guy said:
ARS can say what they want. I'm happy with the performance, especially Safari, which is vastly improved over 8.4.1.
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Amazing.Because I own a ipad Mini 1 which is waay laggy on iOS 9.It must be the fact that ipad 2 doesnt have the graphical effects the Mini has
 
i recently took my 4s from iOS9 back to ios6. The difference was incredible. The device ran pretty much as fast as my 6, and the little icon based multitasking activates a full second faster than the overly flashy mess that Apple has foisted upon us.

Im happy for those of you that are happy with where things are at. But this experience galvanized for me just how much better the software engineers were at making lean, pleasing experiences a few years back. Short of the control centre, I'm not even missing any of the newer features.
 
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