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C DM

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k why doesn't apple do this with macs? if security is such an issue, why do they let you go back on your mac to previous versions? your phone is not much different than your mac both are basically computers... i don't buy this reason...
Unfortunately whatever the reason might or might not be (if any reasonable one might even exist), it ultimately doesn't matter--they don't allow it, and that's basically that.
 

natureguy

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youtube as a scientific test .... lol

Planned obsolescence doesn't exist, and it's contrary to every marketing rules (you have to PLEASE your customers to keep them, not to piss them off)...
well they are failing at that by not letting them go back...and they don't care as they have been doing this for quite some time.
 

appledefenceforce

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what I don't understand is that with the public beta versions of iOS 9 and El Cap everything ran sooooo well. And yet the final versions are bugs ridden. Why?
 

C DM

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what I don't understand is that with the public beta versions of iOS 9 and El Cap everything ran sooooo well. And yet the final versions are bugs ridden. Why?
Probably because that wasn't really the case for most people?
 

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k why doesn't apple do this with macs? if security is such an issue, why do they let you go back on your mac to previous versions? your phone is not much different than your mac both are basically computers... i don't buy this reason...

Well they've been gradually locking the Mac down more to improve security. But obviously it's a lot more complicated to implement signing when you already have a significant back catalog of OS X releases that won't require it. For example, you may get in the situation where customers go back to much older OS X releases because it bypasses the signing requirement that may cause newer builds to refuse to install. So implementing signing may lead to people taking bigger risks with security.
 

Radon87000

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done for security reasons, and I'm happy about it
They slow down my devices while they are at it.To be perfectly honest I prefer no updates over slowing my decide down for security issues which the user can avoid but can't avoid the lag
 

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They slow down my devices while they are at it.To be perfectly honest I prefer no updates over slowing my decide down for security issues which the user can avoid but can't avoid the lag
there is no slowdowns ... stop comparing a X.4 release with a Y.0 release.
In some months we will see iOS 9.1 or 9.2 whatever and it won't be slower than iOS 8.4.1
 

TETENAL

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there is no slowdowns ... stop comparing a X.4 release with a Y.0 release.
In some months we will see iOS 9.1 or 9.2 whatever and it won't be slower than iOS 8.4.1
But you can't stay on an x.4 release if you want security updates.

Apple should support the previous major version with security patches, so that users have the choice to stay on stable and performance optimized versions of the OS at all times, if they can wait for the new features.

There is really no excuse why the richest company in the world cannot back port security patches to at least one prior OS version. They can do it with the Mac, and it's making them less money than iOS.
 

I7guy

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But you can't stay on an x.4 release if you want security updates.

Apple should support the previous major version with security patches, so that users have the choice to stay on stable and performance optimized versions of the OS at all times, if they can wait for the new features.

There is really no excuse why the richest company in the world cannot back port security patches to at least one prior OS version. They can do it with the Mac, and it's making them less money than iOS.
For whatever the reason, whether users believe it's a "legitimate" issue, downgrading after the window closes is not allowed.
 

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there is no slowdowns ... stop comparing a X.4 release with a Y.0 release.
In some months we will see iOS 9.1 or 9.2 whatever and it won't be slower than iOS 8.4.1

I was waiting for you to join the discussion :)


I'm comparing the two final releases of the previous two OS's running a device that has seen significant slowdowns since its release. As the videos show, each year the 4s has gotten slower.

Instead of arguing over whether the video is scientifically accurate or whatever defense you might come up with, I would love for you to show me a video of any iPhone performing better on updated software.
 
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Radon87000

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there is no slowdowns ... stop comparing a X.4 release with a Y.0 release.
In some months we will see iOS 9.1 or 9.2 whatever and it won't be slower than iOS 8.4.1
Too bad that Apple's history of updates doesn't make me hold my breath
 

I7guy

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I was waiting for you to join the discussion :)


I'm comparing the two final releases of the previous two OS's running a device that has seen significant slowdowns since its release. As the videos show, each year the 4s has gotten slower.

Instead of arguing over whether the video is scientifically accurate or whatever defense you might come up with, I would love for you to show me a video of any iPhone performing better on updated software.
Good job of cherry picking. :confused: At least post the link to the 5s video that shows iOS 9 (phone on right) having better performance going in and out of apps, which is nobody's use case.
 

C DM

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I was waiting for you to join the discussion :)


I'm comparing the two final releases of the previous two OS's running a device that has seen significant slowdowns since its release. As the videos show, each year the 4s has gotten slower.

Instead of arguing over whether the video is scientifically accurate or whatever defense you might come up with, I would love for you to show me a video of any iPhone performing better on updated software.
You should compare that to iOS 6.1.3.
 

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Good job of cherry picking. :confused: At least post the link to the 5s video that shows iOS 9 (phone on right) having better performance going in and out of apps, which is nobody's use case.

It's clear you're still fixated on that 5s video, which is ironic because you're accusing me of cherry picking. You have yet to provide anything relevant to backup your opinion, while claiming my opinion as incorrect. At least I was able to provide statistics to defend myself.

On the topic of cherry picking, I picked a video showing mature OS's competing against each other on a previous device. The iPhone 5s video doesn't offer that comparison.
 

I7guy

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It's clear you're still fixated on that 5s video, which is ironic because you're accusing me of cherry picking. You have yet to provide anything relevant to backup your opinion, while claiming my opinion as incorrect. At least I was able to provide statistics to defend myself.

On the topic of cherry picking, I picked a video showing mature OS's competing against each other on a previous device. The iPhone 5s video doesn't offer that comparison.
im fixitated on that video because it shows the generic statement that iOS 9 is slower than iOS 8 is not true. Many different models and configurations between the iPad 2 and iPad Air 2 and iPhone 4s through iPhone 6s. I would believe posters on a message board than these "scientific" videos that show a use case that is not applicable to real world use.
 

scjr

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I'll say this: We iOS users bitch and moan about "slight" stuttering.

I was at Best Buy today and every single Android tablet I played around with all had SIGNIFICANTLY more lag and stuttering than my iPad Air on iOS 8, with or without Reduced Transparency (yes I'm including Nexus devices). At the end of the day, the iPad Air is still plenty fast on iOS 8 and we should always remember it isn't always greener on the other side.

What the heck? ;)
 

C DM

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There you go. And now let's complain about that being so much faster and smoother for 1000th time since after all the years of people doing that repeatedly it will definitely be meaningful and useful in some way.
 
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_Refurbished_

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im fixitated on that video because it shows the generic statement that iOS 9 is slower than iOS 8 is not true. Many different models and configurations between the iPad 2 and iPad Air 2 and iPhone 4s through iPhone 6s. I would believe posters on a message board than these "scientific" videos that show a use case that is not applicable to real world use.

You keep saying the same thing over and over. What are your statistics to show that iOS 9 is faster than 8 in that video? I provided mine, please provide yours. Until then, no point responding to you.
 

_Refurbished_

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There you go. And now let's complain about that being so much faster and smoother for 1000th time since after all the years of people doing that repeatedly it will definitely be meaningful and useful in some way.

There you go what? iOS 6 runs faster than 8, I think I'm missing your point.
 
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