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All iPads iPad Air vs iPad mini retina screen wash

jmpage2 said:
You guys are unbelievable. Sure, this has nothing to do with manufacturing limitations on this type of display or natural variation in a batch of panels, it must be that Apple has a conspiracy to hobble your Mini so as not to cannibalize sales of their "flagship" iPad Air.

Wow... just wow.
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It's not manufacturing variation, because we don't see the same problem with iPad Airs, which are manufactured using the same IGZO TFT process. And it's not manufacturing limitations, because the exact same IGZO technology is used in the iPad Air to achieve a perfect gamut. Other companies can make quality displays in this size range, but Apple chooses not to. Why? If you have an alternate explanation, let's hear it.

Maybe most people don't know what a color gamut is, but they have eyeballs and the difference between the iPad Mini Retina and the competition is clear. If you go to Best Buy there are tablets out all over the place, so it's easy to compare display quality for yourself.
 
AppleRobert said:
You cannot go wrong either way to tell the truth. The Air is now more tolerable as far as weight and size so you will have to decide. I knew when the Mini cannibalized the larger iPads, Apple was going to make the decision tougher this time. :D
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Its too the point that color saturation issues really dont matter and size does. In particular the footprint. The Air holds so well in my hands...but so does the mini...ohhh dear...
 
moxxey said:
Are you sure the Air just doesn't just have better back-lighting? Just seems a bit brighter to me on the Air. In fact, if you didn't have the Air to compare to, let's face it, the retina Mini would be perfect.

Guys, the retina Mini is definitely an upgrade on the previous Mini and arrived much sooner than most of us expected. Why can't you be happy? Yes it's slightly duller than the Air, but 98% of users will be more than happy.
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I'd prefer to use iOS, but I'll probably settle for an Android tablet with a superior display. My goal is to have a quality tablet with an amazing display, not to be happy with an Apple tablet.

My question to you would be, why can't you see the differece in display quality? Do you have some sort of color blindness? Don't you care about spending $400 on a gimped tablet?
 
rGiskard said:
It's not manufacturing variation, because we don't see the same problem with iPad Airs, which are manufactured using the same IGZO TFT process. And it's not manufacturing limitations, because the exact same IGZO technology is used in the iPad Air to achieve a perfect gamut. Other companies can make quality displays in this size range, but Apple chooses not to. Why? If you have an alternate explanation, let's hear it.

Maybe most people don't know what a color gamut is, but they have eyeballs and the difference between the iPad Mini Retina and the competition is clear. If you go to Best Buy there are tablets out all over the place, so it's easy to compare display quality for yourself.
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Yeah, I have a professionally calibrated 65 plasma display, I know what color gamut is genius.

Just because the same manufacturing tech is used to make the panels doesn't mean that they will look the same, especially since different fabs, different factories and in some cases different companies are making each.... it's like you are arguing that there's no reason two different V6 engines should get different gas mileage.... but, but they're both V6 engines! A more on point analogy would be that per your argument, all IPS panels should look the same because it's the same display tech, when nothing could be further from the truth!

So, let's see. Either there is some variation as mentioned above that could account for the differences, OR.... Apple, known for their fanatical attention to detail and pursuit of perfection in their devices, decided to intentionally hobble a product to boost sales of another product..... right.

For a guy who talks a big game you don't appear to know squat.
 
AdonisSMU said:
Its too the point that color saturation issues really dont matter and size does. In particular the footprint. The Air holds so well in my hands...but so does the mini...ohhh dear...
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It's more likely a color gamut issue than a saturation problem. If you think size matters more than quality, that's fine.
 
jmpage2 said:
Yeah, I have a professionally calibrated 65 plasma display, I know what color gamut is genius.

Just because the same manufacturing tech is used to make the panels doesn't mean that they will look the same, especially since different fabs, different factories and in some cases different companies are making each.... it's like you are arguing that there's no reason two different V6 engines should get different gas mileage.... but, but they're both V6 engines! A more on point analogy would be that per your argument, all IPS panels should look the same because it's the same display tech, when nothing could be further from the truth!

So, let's see. Either there is some variation as mentioned above that could account for the differences, OR.... Apple, known for their fanatical attention to detail and pursuit of perfection in their devices, decided to intentionally hobble a product to boost sales of another product..... right.
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Apple hobbled the first iPad Mini display so why not this one? They do that all the time on low end products to upsell customers. That's really the crux of the problem: Apple considers the iPad Mini "low end" instead of "different size".

These displays share more technology than IPS, but the point is that iPad Mini Retina has the potential to display same color gamut as the iPad Air, because they share the same display technology. The color gamut was a technical design choice.
 
rGiskard said:
Apple hobbled the first iPad Mini display so why not this one? They do that all the time on low end products to upsell customers. That's really the crux of the problem: Apple considers the iPad Mini "low end" instead of "different size".

These displays share more technology than IPS, but the point is that iPad Mini Retina has the potential to display same color gamut as the iPad Air, because they share the same display technology. The color gamut was a technical design choice.
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Apple didn't hobble anything on the 1st iPad Mini. The technology to produce retina panels of that size in the volumes needed did not exist then. Prove me wrong.
 
rGiskard said:
I'd prefer to use iOS, but I'll probably settle for an Android tablet with a superior display. My goal is to have a quality tablet with an amazing display, not to be happy with an Apple tablet.

My question to you would be, why can't you see the differece in display quality? Do you have some sort of color blindness? Don't you care about spending $400 on a gimped tablet?
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Good luck with that and let us know how you make out with that.

The current Kindle Fire 8.9 HDX has the best current display (check it out for yourself or read reviews) BUT it ain't a great tablet. You will be doing a tradeoff no matter how you slice it with what android tablet you choose.

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jmpage2 said:
Apple didn't hobble anything on the 1st iPad Mini. The technology to produce retina panels of that size in the volumes needed did not exist then. Prove me wrong.
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+1. No one can.
 
I don't know, I've been playing with the new Mini and it seems pretty good to me

I also have a lovely Air :) BTW

The cool thing about these is that unlike the Air, I can really get in its face
 
jmpage2 said:
Apple didn't hobble anything on the 1st iPad Mini. The technology to produce retina panels of that size in the volumes needed did not exist then. Prove me wrong.
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You mean the same way the iPhone took 2 years to get LTE because Apple claimed they couldn't get it to work right with their battery? Please :rolleyes:
 
WilliamBateman said:
You mean the same way the iPhone took 2 years to get LTE because Apple claimed they couldn't get it to work right with their battery? Please :rolleyes:
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But isn't that why Android phones got bigger? They needed bigger battery to support LTE.
 
I just checked out the retina mini side by side with the ipad air at bestbuy and there was a clear difference in saturation at 100% brightness when comparing the facetime and message app icons. Both appear almost neon on the air but almost pastel ish on the retina mini.

With that said the screen on the mini still looked great, just different. I also didn't notice any discoloration or uneven back lightning.
 
I remember apple touting the 3rd gen ipad and iphone 5's display as being 100% sRGB. that same display has been used in the 4th gen, and the ipad air has to be equal to or better.

what did they say for the ipad mini? they only spoke about resolution and it being ips correct?
 
WilliamBateman said:
You mean the same way the iPhone took 2 years to get LTE because Apple claimed they couldn't get it to work right with their battery? Please :rolleyes:
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Did you try one of the first-wave Android phones? I was lucky to get 2 hours of use with my Droid Bionic. LTE was an atrocious power hog.
 
rGiskard said:
I'd prefer to use iOS, but I'll probably settle for an Android tablet with a superior display. My goal is to have a quality tablet with an amazing display, not to be happy with an Apple tablet.

My question to you would be, why can't you see the differece in display quality? Do you have some sort of color blindness? Don't you care about spending $400 on a gimped tablet?
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get a nexus 7. it has a beautiful screen................with touch issues! :p
 
AppleRobert said:
Good luck with that and let us know how you make out with that.

The current Kindle Fire 8.9 HDX has the best current display (check it out for yourself or read reviews) BUT it ain't a great tablet. You will be doing a tradeoff no matter how you slice it with what android tablet you choose.
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Well yeah, that's the problem, most Android tablets suck, especially Kindle tablets. The Nexus 7 looks great on paper and it does have a killer display, but in my view it doesn't compare to the iPad Mini Retina in usability or build quality.
 
rGiskard said:
Apple hobbled the first iPad Mini display so why not this one? They do that all the time on low end products to upsell customers. That's really the crux of the problem: Apple considers the iPad Mini "low end" instead of "different size".

These displays share more technology than IPS, but the point is that iPad Mini Retina has the potential to display same color gamut as the iPad Air, because they share the same display technology. The color gamut was a technical design choice.
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jmpage2 said:
Apple didn't hobble anything on the 1st iPad Mini. The technology to produce retina panels of that size in the volumes needed did not exist then. Prove me wrong.
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What, now Apple can't do anything until some other company does it first?

Apple surprised us with the Retina iPad by introducing a screen that couldn't be produced prior to it's introduction. They could have done the same with a retina iPad Mini a year ago - it would have been bulkier, but so was the first retina iPad.

Aside from that, the original iPad Mini was gimped with an A5 instead of the A6X found in the iPad 4.

That's how tech companies sell products, they introduce a bunch of gimped low end models and a few cutting edge models. There's nothing wrong with that approach, it just how the market works. The problem here is that Apple for some reason considers the iPad Mini Retina to be a low end model rather than a smaller model.

Consider the reaction if Apple gimped the 13" Retina Macbook Pro with a 70% sRGB gamma. I'd imagine that many users who valued portability would be rather upset.
 
rGiskard said:
Well yeah, that's the problem, most Android tablets suck, especially Kindle tablets. The Nexus 7 looks great on paper and it does have a killer display, but in my view it doesn't compare to the iPad Mini Retina in usability or build quality.
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Any chance you could explain the difference in screens? Is there a reason Apple don't use the same screen type as the N7? I have had an N7 2013 and the screen was amazing, unfortunately I don't really get along with Android or the screen size. I ended up using my 4 and Mini more so I sold the N7 but that screen looked amazing to me.
 
TroyBoy30 said:
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Ha ha, I have a dog, not a cat, and my taste in eyeglasses is better.

So I guess you imagine that Apple crams all the latest technolgies into every product they make? How do you explain models with slower processors, less RAM, and so forth? What makes you think they don't differentiate between models based on display quality?

Oh wait, they do! The iPad Mini's display is utter crap compared to that of the Retina iPad Mini! And the retina iPad Mini's display is inferior to the iPad Air's display. ZOMG, it's a conspiracy! LOL.
 
threelions said:
Any chance you could explain the difference in screens? Is there a reason Apple don't use the same screen type as the N7? I have had an N7 2013 and the screen was amazing, unfortunately I don't really get along with Android or the screen size. I ended up using my 4 and Mini more so I sold the N7 but that screen looked amazing to me.
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The Nexus 7 uses amorphous silicon in the TFT (thin film transistor), while the iPad uses IGZO (indium gallium zinc oxide) for the TFT. Sharp developed IGZO and the iPads are the first high volume tablet application. The difference is in power efficiency, with the IGZO display in the iPad AIR using 57% less power than the previous amorphous silicon based retina display.

An amorphous silicon based retina iPad Mini would have had to be rather "big boned" to offer the same battery life. Nexus 7 gets away with it by using a smaller display and offering less battery life. Probably based on the reaction to the first Retina iPad's weight and size gain, Apple decided to wait for IGZO display rather than fatten up the iPad Mini. I don't know how the color gamut affects power usage, but that's another possible reason for the gimped gamut on the retina iPad mini.
 
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