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Abazigal

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An iPad is not the device for tinkerers, that’s for sure

I dunno. I thought I ended up tinkering more with my ipad than my Mac. Largely because iOS then was different then enough from macOS that many workflows had to be re-imagined, and Apple’s solution to many problems seemed to be “there’s an app for that”.
 
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I have no idea what files @Basic75 wants to transfer, but it’s been a long, long time since we legally could do what we want with any files on our devices. As with music, the same with games.

It’s just easier for developers to stop their customers from breaking the rules on iOS and derivative OSes.
Saved game states
 

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Saved game states
Don’t they transfer via Game Center though? I don’t play a great deal of games but those I do play all transfer easily between devices including new devices without me having to do anything or even think about it. That said I just do a straight restore from my computer backup when I change device.
I have never run into your issue so just trying to understand it.
 

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Don’t they transfer via Game Center though? I don’t play a great deal of games but those I do play all transfer easily between devices including new devices without me having to do anything or even think about it. That said I just do a straight restore from my computer backup when I change device.
I have never run into your issue so just trying to understand it.
Not all games sync game state via the cloud. And I don't want to backup and restore an entire iPad just to copy one or two game states. And yes, I've tried something like iMazing, but no,I don't have the effing permissions to the games Documents folder that might hold the game state. Can't even be sure as I can't look inside. A. Documents. Folder. On. My. iPad.
 

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Not all games sync game state via the cloud. And I don't want to backup and restore an entire iPad just to copy one or two game states. And yes, I've tried something like iMazing, but no,I don't have the effing permissions to the games Documents folder that might hold the game state. Can't even be sure as I can't look inside. A. Documents. Folder. On. My. iPad.
You should calm down chief and buy a different device. You know what I mean? Clearly the iPad isn’t suited to you extremely specific need. Can you get the game on a mac? Play. It. There.
 
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You should calm down chief and buy a different device. You know what I mean? Clearly the iPad isn’t suited to you extremely specific need. Can you get the game on a mac? Play. It. There.
I'm with you on the "calm down" part, this is just a saved game state. Unfortunately buying a different device will create bigger issues, we consumers can't just cherry pick features, we have to take one of the few options as package deal, there is no tablet with both iCloud and the possibility of a Terminal with root shell (short of a jail break). I'd play the game on my Mac, if available (not sure if it is), but I'd still lose my saved game state from the iPad ? In general I'm happy with the iPad, to me it's a great luxury toy for media consumption and light gaming while all of my work is done on a Mac where the Terminal is just one click away. The overall title here is "iPad as laptop replacement", and I'm just saying that until I get access to all files, and betyond that the ability to do batch jobs in the Terminal, the iPad will never be more than a toy for me. (And before somebody starts misunderstanding, that doesn't mean it can't be more for other people, not everybody has the same requirements.)
 
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I'm with you on the "calm down" part, this is just a saved game state. Unfortunately buying a different device will create bigger issues, we consumers can't just cherry pick features, we have to take one of the few options as package deal, there is no tablet with both iCloud and the possibility of a Terminal with root shell (short of a jail break). I'd play the game on my Mac, if available (not sure if it is), but I'd still lose my saved game state from the iPad ? In general I'm happy with the iPad, to me it's a great luxury toy for media consumption and light gaming while all of my work is done on a Mac where the Terminal is just one click away. The overall title here is "iPad as laptop replacement", and I'm just saying that until I get access to all files, and betyond that the ability to do batch jobs in the Terminal, the iPad will never be more than a toy for me. (And before somebody starts misunderstanding, that doesn't mean it can't be more for other people, not everybody has the same requirements.)
Well I can’t be bothered to try to read a wall of grammarless text other than a quick skim. Suffice to say, You want a terminal - but you’re not going to get one.

I do almost all of my professional work in my iPad quite well without a terminal. Terminal only equals ‘proper computing’ with a tiny proportion of people even here, on MR. Especially when combined with anything iPad Pro, and even more so whilst talking about gaming.

Have a nice evening.
 

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There is no way to access all of my files on an iPad. If you think that this is a user problem, rather than an OS limitation, then tell me how to gain access to all of my files on the iPad, like the Finder or the Terminal allows on my Mac. Otherwise stop trolling, please.

What do you mean by access your files? Out side of your home folder? Even windows, Linux and MacOS has OS system files hidden, but can be access if you know how to show hidden files.

Not sure why one needs to access files out side your home folder?
 

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Which files are you referring to?

For me, I have been storing my files in Dropbox since I got my first ipad, so I have never had an issue accessing them anywhere, anytime.

Are you talking about game saves or something?
I’m guessing he means accessing files out side your home folder the typical found on MacOS or Windows like documents, pictures, music, video, and downloads folder in your home dictionary and access system files.
 

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I’m guessing he means accessing files out side your home folder the typical found on MacOS or Windows like documents, pictures, music, video, and downloads folder in your home dictionary and access system files.
Nope, he is referring to saved game states, which I am also facing a similar issue with. Currently, Slay the Spire doesn't support iCloud saves (and it looks like the next patch due at the end of the month doesn't address this either). So unless I do a save and restore on my next iPad, I will lose all my game data and have to start from scratch if I ever do redownload the game on a new device. Likewise, I can't sync my progress from my iPad over to my iPhone either. Though I view it more as a developer issue though, than a specific limitation of iOS since I don't really have a habit of copying and pasting save game states from one source to another either.
 
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I'm with you on the "calm down" part, this is just a saved game state. Unfortunately buying a different device will create bigger issues, we consumers can't just cherry pick features, we have to take one of the few options as package deal, there is no tablet with both iCloud and the possibility of a Terminal with root shell (short of a jail break). I'd play the game on my Mac, if available (not sure if it is), but I'd still lose my saved game state from the iPad ? In general I'm happy with the iPad, to me it's a great luxury toy for media consumption and light gaming while all of my work is done on a Mac where the Terminal is just one click away. The overall title here is "iPad as laptop replacement", and I'm just saying that until I get access to all files, and betyond that the ability to do batch jobs in the Terminal, the iPad will never be more than a toy for me. (And before somebody starts misunderstanding, that doesn't mean it can't be more for other people, not everybody has the same requirements.)

Not sure why you need to do batch jobs in the Terminal? Are you trying to do programming on the iPad?

Are you a programer?
 

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Nope, he is referring to saved game states, which I am also facing a similar issue with. Currently, Slay the Spire doesn't support iCloud saves (and it looks like the next patch due at the end of the month doesn't address this either). So unless I do a save and restore on my next iPad, I will lose all my game data and have to start from scratch if I ever do redownload the game on a new device. Likewise, I can't sync my progress from my iPad over to my iPhone either. Though I view it more as a developer issue though, than a specific limitation of iOS since I don't really have a habit of copying and pasting save game states from one source to another either.
Apple does not want people messing with app folder/program folder and system files.

Accessing any file out side of the home folder can be dangerous if person does not know what they are doing.

So I don’t think Apple will give features like say Windows NT, MacOS, Unix, Linux and BSD that are built on client server model than iOS built on model of in app sync model to iCloud if app supports it.

I think this what members are getting confused over. Apple is never going allow access out side of home folder.
 

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Anything that can run a decent browser is a computer.

Experienced users are used to a different (read: offline) way of working, so they have trouble adjusting. In a few years, every single thing that you do with a computer will be done over the web and apps will disappear. Even games will run over the browser. Then, nobody will even think about asking if iPad is a computer or not.
 
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Nope, he is referring to saved game states, which I am also facing a similar issue with. Currently, Slay the Spire doesn't support iCloud saves (and it looks like the next patch due at the end of the month doesn't address this either). So unless I do a save and restore on my next iPad, I will lose all my game data and have to start from scratch if I ever do redownload the game on a new device. Likewise, I can't sync my progress from my iPad over to my iPhone either. Though I view it more as a developer issue though, than a specific limitation of iOS since I don't really have a habit of copying and pasting save game states from one source to another either.
This is exactly the point here. These things should be done from the dev level, on any machine to be honest. No one would be complaining that you can’t access a terminal on an xbox or a PlayStation if a game didn’t save properly. There would be uproar I would think? Wouldn’t there? I don’t know I don’t really play many games and I don’t have a console - but it surely is how it works there.

Anyway, as I mentioned earlier in the the to the op of the rant, he should contact the dev to get them to implement a fix.
 
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Anything that can run a decent browser is a computer.

Experienced users are used to a different (read: offline) way of working, so they have trouble adjusting. In a few years, every single thing that you do with a computer will be done over the web and apps will disappear. Even games will run over the browser. Then, nobody will even think about asking if iPad is a computer or not.

The web apps are even worse than than apps them self.

Google maps, google docs, google sheets so on are garbage compared to google earth on the desktop and Microsoft office Suit and Libra office suit is light years ahead of the garbage google docs and google sheets be it desktop or iPad.

The google docs or google sheets are simple go to for simple office stuff but no where close to features of Microsoft office Suit and Libra office suit.

And most monopoly rule because of the money and people needed.

There is no app that comes any where close to photoshop. Even GIMP being free and open source being photoshop clone is no where close to features of photoshop.

The Firefox app on the iPad are beyond garbage in how UI looks now and have one out of hundred of features of desktop app has. And every year the desktop Firefox app is getting worse to point that Vivaldi is way more customizable and feature pack where Firefox is being less customizable every year and less features. Where Vivaldi, Microsoft browser and Brave browser is fresh and new getting new features every year where Firefox getting worse every year.

If it was not for the Firefox extension it would of died long ago.

The only large corporations putting lots of money or team of people over say 5 or 10 years can pull of a really good app.

Only Apple as a company with billions of dollars or Microsoft with billion of dollars could bring out photoshop clone that is way better and cheaper.

Where GIMP will never over take photoshop with out hundreds of more programmers spending most of the day programming. And that not going to happen when people have to pay the bills.

So GIMP will get better but will always feel like they are playing catch up to photoshop.

Unfortunately the monopoly of apps is because they are best apps. It sad but there is not 10 to 15 apps to choose from when it comes to video editing or photo editing that similar in features and quality.

The monopoly of apps rule because they are the best on the millions dollars needed to develop a video editing or photo editing app.
 

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This is exactly the point here. These things should be done from the dev level, on any machine to be honest. No one would be complaining that you can’t access a terminal on an xbox or a PlayStation if a game didn’t save properly. There would be uproar I would think? Wouldn’t there? I don’t know I don’t really play many games and I don’t have a console - but it surely is how it works there.

Anyway, as I mentioned earlier in the the to the op of the rant, he should contact the dev to get them to implement a fix.


Than you never where in the 90s. No one ever said when playing SEGA or Nintendo how can I do a game back up on say a hard drive, floppy or computer.

No one would play the game of fear it could stop working and you would have no back up.

And there was no such thing as autosave as you had to save at points in the game making it harder.
 

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Than you never where in the 90s. No one ever said when playing SEGA or Nintendo how can I do a game back up on say a hard drive, floppy or computer.

No one would play the game of fear it could stop working and you would have no back up.

And there was no such thing as autosave as you had to save at points in the game making it harder.
Yes I was in the 90’s, but that was different as all the consoles used roms or cd-roms saved games were just milestones you start again from. This what we’re taliking about is not the same thing.
There is no app that comes any where close to photoshop
Affinity photo on the mac and the iPad comes very close to photoshop actually, and is only missing some extremely niche photoshop features.
 

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Not sure why you need to do batch jobs in the Terminal? Are you trying to do programming on the iPad?

Are you a programer?
The Terminal is useful beyond programming, and no, as said I'm treating the iPad as a toy, as which it works mostly very well, and do all serious stuff on a Mac or other computer.
 

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Apple does not want people messing with app folder/program folder and system files.

Accessing any file out side of the home folder can be dangerous if person does not know what they are doing.

So I don’t think Apple will give features like say Windows NT, MacOS, Unix, Linux and BSD that are built on client server model than iOS built on model of in app sync model to iCloud if app supports it.

I think this what members are getting confused over. Apple is never going allow access out side of home folder.
Saved game states aren't dangerous.
 

Basic75

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Anything that can run a decent browser is a computer.

Experienced users are used to a different (read: offline) way of working, so they have trouble adjusting. In a few years, every single thing that you do with a computer will be done over the web and apps will disappear. Even games will run over the browser. Then, nobody will even think about asking if iPad is a computer or not.
The iPhone was supposed to only have web apps and we all know how that went.
 
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The iPhone was supposed to only have web apps and we all know how that went.
Steve Jobs was ahead of his time, as usual. Today, the technology is finally there. With technologies like Stadia and GeForceNow, even demanding 3D video games have become web apps. Soon, Photoshops and Final Cut Pros will follow. Mark my words, in 5-6 years a computer will be nothing more than a web browser.
 

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Steve Jobs was ahead of his time, as usual. Today, the technology is finally there. With technologies like Stadia and GeForceNow, even demanding 3D video games have become web apps. Soon, Photoshops and Final Cut Pros will follow. Mark my words, in 5-6 years a computer will be nothing more than a web browser.
That will be bad news when you don't have Internet access, be it due to location, affordability or any other reason. Having spent a great deal of time in places where it wasn't available, off-line access will remain a requirement.
 

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That will be bad news when you don't have Internet access, be it due to location, affordability or any other reason. Having spent a great deal of time in places where it wasn't available, off-line access will remain a requirement.
Indeed this is at least for me a blocker. iPad as a device is less independent from the network than say the usual Windows machine. I do not always have good and reliable connection and to be honest sometimes (when it comes to my phone) I specifically remove the access as I want to focus on what I am doing. So being able to use the device and its applications without network connection is a requirement for me.
 

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Indeed this is at least for me a blocker. iPad as a device is less independent from the network than say the usual Windows machine. I do not always have good and reliable connection and to be honest sometimes (when it comes to my phone) I specifically remove the access as I want to focus on what I am doing. So being able to use the device and its applications without network connection is a requirement for me.

Yeah, and even where access is available, affordability is a major issue both here in the US and abroad. The pandemic really brought that into focus with the large number of kids struggling with remote learning because their families cannot afford connectivity. Cloud storage? An unaffordable luxury.
 
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Steve Jobs was ahead of his time, as usual. Today, the technology is finally there. With technologies like Stadia and GeForceNow, even demanding 3D video games have become web apps. Soon, Photoshops and Final Cut Pros will follow. Mark my words, in 5-6 years a computer will be nothing more than a web browser.
That's what they said about thin clients in the 90s.
 
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