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Conutz

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Basically everybody involved in software development has to use a terminal/shell. It’s an integral part of every operating system, no matter if casual users use it or not
Um, no. I develop for Windows (including high-speed data acquisition systems), for STM ARM chips, Microchip devices and iOS. I don’t use, nor need, the command prompt. I have done this work for the last 22 years, successfully, without it. When setting up a toy like a Raspberry Pi Homebridge and forced to use the command prompt, I copy and paste, and can’t wait to get away from the nut-ache that the terminal is.
 

subjonas

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Well, there is no debate, the word legacy can definitely be used, obviously. It’s peoples understanding of the word that needs to be modified!
Maybe I could have been clearer. It’s how the word is used that’s causing debate. I think everyone here understands that the terminal is legacy for most, just like a horse is legacy for most. But it’s when that qualifier “for most” is left out, and someone just says “terminal is legacy”, that the nuances of the meaning are unclear.

Take another example:
”Foxes are brown.”
Someone could easily read that to mean all foxes are brown, although technically it could just mean that two foxes are brown and the rest could be purple. Or it could mean that half are brown and half are purple, or most are brown a couple are purple. Without more information, it’s just a very open-ended and unclear statement.

Obviously, you’ve made your view clear, that terminal is legacy for most, but not for some, and I agree. But someone else could say “terminal is legacy” and imply that it’s an outdated, inferior way of doing things. That’s why, again in my opinion, unless everyone already understands which specific group one is referring to, one should always add qualifiers like “for most” when making these kinds of statements. What’s obvious to the speaker is many times not obvious to the listener.
 
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Bubble99

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Um, no. I develop for Windows (including high-speed data acquisition systems), for STM ARM chips, Microchip devices and iOS. I don’t use, nor need, the command prompt. I have done this work for the last 22 years, successfully, without it. When setting up a toy like a Raspberry Pi Homebridge and forced to use the command prompt, I copy and paste, and can’t wait to get away from the nut-ache that the terminal is.

Yea I just want know what they need the command prompt for that cannot be done otherwise.
 

Bubble99

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The whole point of this thread is the discussion regarding if an iPad can replace a laptop. For myself, and obviously a non-trivial number of other “professionals”, the answer is “no, not without command line access, among many other things”.
Yes and there many other things members here have said that does not make iPad computer a replacement like proper file manager, command line and file system.
 

grmlin

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Um, no. I develop for Windows (including high-speed data acquisition systems), for STM ARM chips, Microchip devices and iOS. I don’t use, nor need, the command prompt. I have done this work for the last 22 years, successfully, without it. When setting up a toy like a Raspberry Pi Homebridge and forced to use the command prompt, I copy and paste, and can’t wait to get away from the nut-ache that the terminal is.
good for you that there are UIs executing the commands for you, if that's what you prefer to use :)
 

Conutz

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good for you that there are UIs executing the commands for you, if that's what you prefer to use :)
Yeah, it's about solid productivity, so I'm happy. As long there's not a huge performance hit for the abstraction, that's fantastic. I'm quite excited about the upcoming Swift Playgrounds, bringing that capability to another device – I wish I could also code for my micros on the iPad...
 

Conutz

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Yea I just want know what they need the command prompt for that cannot be done otherwise.
If it can be done otherwise, I reckon it's a win. Some people are probably more effective and at home with the command prompt though: as with many things in life, we all have our preferences. However my vote would go to having availability of other development tools (Keil, MPLAB for example). iPad Pro has got enough grunt, imagine begin able to commission with an iPP out in the field! :D
 

jeremiah256

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Um, no. I develop for Windows (including high-speed data acquisition systems), for STM ARM chips, Microchip devices and iOS. I don’t use, nor need, the command prompt. I have done this work for the last 22 years, successfully, without it. When setting up a toy like a Raspberry Pi Homebridge and forced to use the command prompt, I copy and paste, and can’t wait to get away from the nut-ache that the terminal is.
People are using terminal, console, and shell interchangeably. In everyday conversation, no problem. Here, in the context of this conversation, it’s causing confusion.
 

Basic75

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Yea I just want know what they need the command prompt for that cannot be done otherwise.
If you don't know what can be done in a shell with a couple of commands, backticks and pipes you are missing out on a whole world of things.
 

Mainsail

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I recently bought an iPad Air 4. Nice tablet. Great for consumption, reading books/PDFs, annotations, and notes. But, I tried to update a simple spreadsheet, and it was pure agony. So, I picked up my MBA and polished off the task in a jiffy.

Somethings are a delight on an iPad. Other things are pretty frustrating.
 

sparksd

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Some of you may want to watch this video before a purchase of the high end iPad

Some of these issues noth new and not unique to the 2021 iPP.

He doesn't say what format the drive was in when it wouldn't read - really unhelpful. The issue of exFAT corruption exists on non-2021 iPads. See my long thread on it, now over a year and still going -

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/file-corruption-on-copy-to-external-storage.2235171/

Can't format external storage on the iPad - that's unchanged, nothing new. The monitor display mirroring and camera location are also nothing new.

I bought the 2021 12.9 knowing all of these issues and am still real happy with it.
 

Ludatyk

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I bought the 2021 12.9 knowing all of these issues and am still real happy with it.
Big facts. I no longer watch that channel for iPad information... its clear where they stand. I rather watch a channel point out workflow solutions or apps/accessories for the iPad I wasn't aware.
 
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sparksd

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Big facts. I no longer watch that channel for iPad information... its clear where they stand. I rather watch a channel point out workflow solutions or apps/accessories for the iPad I wasn't aware.

They should at least point out that some of the issues/functionality are not new or unique to the 2021 models. And that they are using/criticizing an early beta of iPaOS 15.
 
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sparksd

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Big facts. I no longer watch that channel for iPad information... its clear where they stand. I rather watch a channel point out workflow solutions or apps/accessories for the iPad I wasn't aware.

They do point out some legitimate issues regarding Thunderbolt functionality on the new devices. Though I don't own any Thunderbolt devices myself, others may find the issues of interest - the speed discrepancy has been pointed out numerous other places. Makes me wonder if it's a driver issue that can be corrected in iPadOS 15. Or is a memory access shortfall in the iPad?
 

Ludatyk

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They do point out some legitimate issues regarding Thunderbolt functionality on the new devices. Though I don't own any Thunderbolt devices myself, others may find the issues of interest - the speed discrepancy has been pointed out numerous other places. Makes me wonder if it's a driver issue that can be corrected in iPadOS 15. Or is a memory access shortfall in the iPad?
I haven’t watch the vid nor will I ever do so. But I do know one thing… when I plug in my USB-C dual flash drive, I get much faster transfer speeds than what I previously had under 2018 iPP. It’s been formatted under ex-Fat, I haven’t any corruption issues.
 

sparksd

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I haven’t watch the vid nor will I ever do so. But I do know one thing… when I plug in my USB-C dual flash drive, I get much faster transfer speeds than what I previously had under 2018 iPP. It’s been formatted under ex-Fat, I haven’t any corruption issues.

Yeah, mine is definitely faster than my previous 2018 and is more than adequate for my needs - how often do you do tens or hundreds of GBs of transfers with an iPad? Even then I can readily live with it.
 

rui no onna

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Yeah, mine is definitely faster than my previous 2018 and is more than adequate for my needs - how often do you do tens or hundreds of GBs of transfers with an iPad? Even then I can readily live with it.

Transfer/copy, no. However, multi-GB files is pretty much what I'd want to use external storage for (e.g. direct media playback from a $100 5TB portable HDD with Infuse, etc).

Alas, that's exactly where I had corruption on an exFAT formatted flash drive despite stopping playback, force closing Infuse and waiting a couple of minutes before unplugging.
 

sparksd

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Jun 7, 2015
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Transfer, no. However, multi-GB files is pretty much what I'd want to use external storage for (e.g. direct media playback from a $100 5TB portable HDD with Infuse, etc).

Agree with that - that's primarily what I use my 4TB HDD for with my iPad, video streaming directly from it when traveling (stream from NAS at home).
 

Slartibart

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Transfer/copy, no. However, multi-GB files is pretty much what I'd want to use external storage for (e.g. direct media playback from a $100 5TB portable HDD with Infuse, etc).

Alas, that's exactly where I had corruption on an exFAT formatted flash drive despite stopping playback, force closing Infuse and waiting a couple of minutes before unplugging.
FileBrowser GO/Professional to your rescue. ?
 

UBS28

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Big facts. I no longer watch that channel for iPad information... its clear where they stand. I rather watch a channel point out workflow solutions or apps/accessories for the iPad I wasn't aware.

He has pointed out solutions.
 

sparksd

macrumors G4
Jun 7, 2015
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Seattle WA
Transfer/copy, no. However, multi-GB files is pretty much what I'd want to use external storage for (e.g. direct media playback from a $100 5TB portable HDD with Infuse, etc).

Alas, that's exactly where I had corruption on an exFAT formatted flash drive despite stopping playback, force closing Infuse and waiting a couple of minutes before unplugging.

I haven't run into the exFAT corruption problem with any video playback, just on transfers and then only with the Files app (none when using FileBrowser Pro). I use nPlayer for external playback.
 
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