That's fair. Use what you like. I prefer to use macOS over windows and I barely touch iPads other than reading books.
I like using Android than iOS. I prefer the openness of Android.
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iPad as a laptop replacement
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I like using Android than iOS. I prefer the openness of Android.
Ok then make it so that the you can only dual boot macOS if you have a keyboard and mouse connected.
I mean SideCar is a wireless macOS thats supported by Apple on iPads...
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That’s like saying the MacBook Air outsells the Mac Studio.
So, the Windows laptops and iPads that are much cheaper than MacBooks now, would look WAY less attractive to potential buyers if Apple would just add a touchscreen to a Mac? They’d look at that $329, look at that $999+ touchscreen Mac and, suddenly, buy the touchscreen Mac? I just don’t see how adding a touchscreen to an expensive Mac is going to cause it so sell any better than it does now.
Good point. Anyone buying an expensive Mac was already going to buy it, regardless of whether it had a touchscreen on it.That’s like saying the MacBook Air outsells the Mac Studio.
So, the Windows laptops and iPads that are much cheaper than MacBooks now, would look WAY less attractive to potential buyers if Apple would just add a touchscreen to a Mac? They’d look at that $329, look at that $999+ touchscreen Mac and, suddenly, buy the touchscreen Mac? I just don’t see how adding a touchscreen to an expensive Mac is going to cause it so sell any better than it does now.
That's precisely the problem - why is Apple introducing a feature that requires a pricey keyboard accessory to access?
I am not sure exactly what problem Apple is trying to solve with stage manager. I don't think that many people are plugging iPads into pricey external displays in a bid to mimic some sort of docked setup, and users like Federico Viticci and Christopher Lawley are not representative use cases, much as I admire their work. Not to mention that I consider overlapping windows to be an archaic holdover from the desktop PC era (both on windows and on the Mac platform), and I am not particularly thrilled to see it return to (or rather, invade) iPadOS.
What initially drew me to the iPad was that it was significantly thinner and lighter than many a laptop, had way longer battery life, possessed inbuilt cellular connectivity, apps were optimised for touch (something touchscreen laptops continue to struggle with even today) and I was comfortable trading functionality (which I often didn't need) for convenience with iPad apps (which were often mobile apps). It basically solved a lot of the pain points I had with laptops in the classroom.
I am all for Apple bringing more desktop functionality, and the iPad getting more desktop-quality apps (lord knows they need it). I just don't think stage manager is a step in the right direction (for me at least).
Agreed. Right now, Stage Manager seems a little like “fluff” for most users, including those like me who have transitioned completely from PC to iPad. The ability and the UI for multitasking (on an M1 iPad) is already there, and is already excellent. Nevertheless, I’m looking forward to seeing Stage Manager in the flesh in September - who knows? I may like it. I may not.
Huh? I just said you don't need a pricey keyboard accessory to use Stage Manager? You can use any keyboard of your choice whether it be wired or bluetooth.. it doesn't have to be expensive (same goes with a mouse). But you are required to use a keyboard with Stage Manager on an external monitor.
And you don't need a pricey external display as well, I think you are missing the point. You don't have to use Stage Manager if you don't care to use... it's optional. For example, if you want to keep using the letter box on an external display and mirror it then don't use an external keyboard. You'll be able to use the iPad virtual keyboard and interact with it.
And windows don't necessarily have to be overlapped using Stage Manager because I don't overlap my windows. As I've said... people are misunderstanding the use of Stage Manager. It's to help with your workflow and give you an easier way of completing tasks.
I think you might have misinterpreted his message. He was talking about the sub $350, with or without a touchscreen, not a $350 non touch vs a $999 touch Mac. I don't think the touch screen would make much difference, but the price definitely would (although this device is very unrealistic, as by the time you make MacOS run decently on an device with at least 11.5-12in screen, 8GB RAM etc. add a keyboard with trackpad etc. and still make a decent profit, you are already well above $350....)That’s like saying the MacBook Air outsells the Mac Studio.
So, the Windows laptops and iPads that are much cheaper than MacBooks now, would look WAY less attractive to potential buyers if Apple would just add a touchscreen to a Mac? They’d look at that $329, look at that $999+ touchscreen Mac and, suddenly, buy the touchscreen Mac? I just don’t see how adding a touchscreen to an expensive Mac is going to cause it so sell any better than it does now.
No, I understand. The original message in this thread said, ”Apple can make a touch mac 2in1 call it the "MacBook Touch" with a removeable keyboard. It would sell boat loads.” My point was, and is, if the Mac can’t sell more than Windows and iPads NOW, without touch, adding touch will not make them sell “boat loads” of them.
I don't remember the original message you are mentioning, and I don't know if it was from the same person, I was just referring to that specific message and of course I agree with your point, and I said it myself in the comment you quoted, touch on Mac isn't making much difference. The main reason why Macs don't sell as much as PCs (and, by the way, iPads no longer outsell Macs) is price and, to some extent, "inertia" (people stay with what they know, unless they have a very compelling reason to change). Enabling the Pencil on Macs (with or without touch), would probably have a bigger impact than allowing touch, but sales would still be limited to a niche of artists and other people who want a Mac as their main device and need/want to draw, annotate etc.
It wouldn't make much difference in terms of market share. Even Apple Silicon, which is a much bigger deal than touch/pencil, hasn't moved the market share needle much. Only price could (and even then it would take time to win the inertia), but Apple is not and will never be a high volume - low margin company...
Based on revenue reports, I expect iPads still outsell Macs in terms of units sold.
The average selling price for iPads is likely in the $500-600 range while for the Mac is likely around $1000+. Hence, even if Apple sells more iPads (mostly regular $329 iPads), Macs still bring in more revenue.
Re-read my post. I said Apple should sell a $329-$349 MacBook with touch and make it a 2in1. Then the Mac will sell more.That’s like saying the MacBook Air outsells the Mac Studio.
So, the Windows laptops and iPads that are much cheaper than MacBooks now, would look WAY less attractive to potential buyers if Apple would just add a touchscreen to a Mac? They’d look at that $329, look at that $999+ touchscreen Mac and, suddenly, buy the touchscreen Mac? I just don’t see how adding a touchscreen to an expensive Mac is going to cause it so sell any better than it does now.
I've connected mine to a 24" 4K monitor and while not as good as the 12.9 display alone, it is quite good.
Yes, but the advantage is getting a larger screen display and in addition to that Stage Manager allows for 8 apps displayed on the external monitor compared to only 4 apps with the iPad.
I have mine hooked via USB-C... I don't get the same quality with plugging it in through HDMI.
iPad can never have desktop focused apps with only touch based controls. RAM is also very limited on iPads 16GB is not enough for devs, content creators and streamers and AAA gaming is non-existent on iPads. Laptops can go up to 64GB RAM and have processors more powerful than M1.
Open source apps like Blender are not available on iPads so the iPad can never a choice for 3D workflows for 99.99% of people unless Apple opens up the App Store to allow Blender.
The iPad replaced the laptop at basic things but at heavy duty stuff I don't think so. The iPad replaced the MacBook/laptop in 2010-2011 for people who read comics, watch videos, browse the web and draw and note take but it still cannot do Multiple monitor support, play AAA games natively or have a large catalog of AAA games or even Indie games. 99.9% of desktop apps are not there on iPad. Mostly everything is touch based and touch centered.
This is why Windows laptops and Macs still exist.
You all caught up in the hype that iPads can DO everything that meets everyone's needs.
Open source apps like Blender are not available on iPads so the iPad can never a choice for 3D workflows for 99.99% of people unless Apple opens up the App Store to allow Blender.
The iPad replaced the laptop at basic things but at heavy duty stuff I don't think so. The iPad replaced the MacBook/laptop in 2010-2011 for people who read comics, watch videos, browse the web and draw and note take but it still cannot do Multiple monitor support, play AAA games natively or have a large catalog of AAA games or even Indie games. 99.9% of desktop apps are not there on iPad. Mostly everything is touch based and touch centered.
This is why Windows laptops and Macs still exist.
You all caught up in the hype that iPads can DO everything that meets everyone's needs.
it's pretty much a new feature for the 1%, can't see many with a iPad going to rush out and buy a 4k monitor, keyboard and mouse
You have to be kidding - ownership of a mouse, keyboard and 4K monitor is rare?
That I'd agree with. My point is that a lot of people already own these for other purposes and can use them with their iPad if desired. My mouse, keyboard and monitor are all switchable among different connections with a single button push on each; switching between my docked laptop and iPad takes a couple of seconds.
thanks, in this case I share your point of view, although as exoticSpice confirmed, the message I was referring to was focused on price rather than on touch.
Agreed, it depends on how you measure sales. I think it's important to have both measures. And there is another measure that we don't have, margins. We can only guess on this. I suspect the margins on the iPad air and pro are quite a bit higher than on the base iPad and to a lesser extent than on the mini. A big chunk of the margin probably comes from accessories, which are probably the units with the highest profit margins (keyboards and pencils).
Similarly, with Mac the margins are much higher on the upgraded models (high margins on RAM and storage upgrades).
And then there are the high margin on accessories likes airpods which work with basically every device. More uncertain is how big are the margins on subscriptions services etc....