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Abazigal

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I wouldn’t say people are any closer to their laptop replacement after that WWDC. I’ve no idea what’s going on with this product anymore.
Part of me wonders if the Vision Pro and AI features have basically siphoned all the resources and attention away from the iPad. So it's basically suffering from the "middle child syndrome" here. 😕
 

Webcat86

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Very underwhelming update, my take is the focus was on Apple Intelligence. I wouldn’t take this announcement as proof that there won’t be further iPad improvement though
 

Webcat86

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If there was, it would have been announced.
I don’t mean today, I mean generally. I don’t think we should read too much into yesterday’s announcement eg the iPad is now a forgotten child. Yes I hope there is continued development but it seems pretty clear most resources have been in AI. Apple also knew AI would dominate the tech press today and a more impressive OS update would have been overshadowed anyway.
 

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But that’s more to do with developers, because I just stated that DaVinci and Affinity has no issue porting over desktop-level apps to iPadOS.

I understand your argument that things are limited on iPadOS compared to macOS… and that’s true, because it’s a more of an open system vs closed and the fact that devs get charged a 30% fee when publishing their apps to iPadOS.

But the idea that desktop-level apps cannot be added to iPadOS because of battery life and thermals is not true.
I mean my 2tb M1 iPad Pro is essentially an M1 MacBook Air without a keyboard, right? No fans needed? The thermals argument is kinda weak to me.
 

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More on this thought. Maybe it is the Magic Keyboard that is confusing many users — instead of giving up the iPad + MK unit entirely if it cannot replace their laptops, maybe those users should give up just their Magic Keyboards instead, and continue using the iPad as the tablet Apple seems intent on keeping it as is.
It’s the inclusion of the escape key on the new Magic Keyboard that confused me!
 
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lsquare

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I don’t mean today, I mean generally. I don’t think we should read too much into yesterday’s announcement eg the iPad is now a forgotten child. Yes I hope there is continued development but it seems pretty clear most resources have been in AI. Apple also knew AI would dominate the tech press today and a more impressive OS update would have been overshadowed anyway.
Unless I'm missing something, none of the AI features were interesting. I feel like this event was just a message to Apple shareholders that they're also into AI. I don't see any quality of life improvement.
 
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I mean my 2tb M1 iPad Pro is essentially an M1 MacBook Air without a keyboard, right? No fans needed? The thermals argument is kinda weak to me.
Yep. Apple's software is definitely letting the iPad down. The frustration continues for another year. Maybe Apple will do something next year. Then again, we said the same thing last year.
 
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Webcat86

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Unless I'm missing something, none of the AI features were interesting. I feel like this event was just a message to Apple shareholders that they're also into AI. I don't see any quality of life improvement.
Well that's subjective. Head over to the iOS18 thread and you'll see a lot of excitement and this being a huge update — because of the AI announcements.
 
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lsquare

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Well that's subjective. Head over to the iOS18 thread and you'll see a lot of excitement and this being a huge update — because of the AI announcements.
I'm already there. Name an AI feature that we’ll be talking about for years to come.

RCS is long overdue. Thank god other iPhones will get it.
 

Webcat86

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Name an AI feature that we’ll be talking about for years to come.
Why would I need to do that? It's subjective. This is evidenced by some people finding it useless and other people being very happy about the new features, Siri in particular is significantly upgraded.
 

lsquare

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Why would I need to do that? It's subjective. This is evidenced by some people finding it useless and other people being very happy about the new features, Siri in particular is significantly upgraded.
My understanding is that you'll get a similar experience if you download ChatGPT.
 

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>What the heck are you talking about?
You can select multiple tracks at once, with tracks omissed etc in Apple Music Playlists?
You can go into DevMode on a website and get the the images, of, say, IMDB, even if you cannot via their frontend?
You can change the color of a green tag to orange on a network SMB drive (because I cannot :).
You can use imageoptim on 300+ images, batch rename them with Forklift and upload them to FTP without using three different tools? And these are just small things, I am not talking about Cinema4D or AdobeCC.

I am superhappy to hear that your needs are covered, bc needs are very different. I know people that only use an iPhone/Android and never anything else bc their life is basically writing and communications. My life is a bit different & I could use a small machine that is able to be a bit more productive than just a Kindle for 3000+€ ;-)

Also, change orientation of an image: Even in finder, on MacOS. Scan documents, with every scanner (leading to better results and faster scans, if you do it regularly, e.g. with the Fuji-Scansnaps), signing Documents is quite easy, as is marking up PDFs – and if it needs a drawing, you do it (badly) either by mouse or with a Wacom.

But this is not about one OR the other. I like iPadOS – it's just time, technically, to move ahead and let the bigger iPads really roar. An iPad that can, say, handle Indesign with MKB, will not suddenly magically loose the touch or pencil abilities. It might even bring some of those to apps that are better at actually producing media than just consuming it.

It might be fun.
But with iPad you cannot do even the most basic stuff. Editing a playlist, saving images from a website, selecting multiple items,... these and so much more.
Never said I could do all the things you are going on about. You mentioned three things in your original post that I said I could do, and I can do all three of them and more on my iPad Pro, better, faster, and easier than you can do on your MacBook. I have been using YouTube and making huge music video playlists for well over a decade and now YouTube Music for a couple years, and I can easily edit playlists in either YouTube or YouTube music. In fact, all the 100's of huge playlists I made in YouTube automatically are available in YouTube Music as easily editable music playlists.

Saving images from websites is also easy enough. Selecting multiple items from Files, photos, and many other apps is pretty basic stuff. And the other basic stuff you claim can't be done, I've been doing it for years in my real estate work, which my iPad Pro with iPad OS easily handles....mostly better and easier than a MacBook.

All those things you claim can be done on a MacBook either need another device to do them or the iPad just does them magnitudes easier. Let's see you scan a document with your MacBook out in the field. Not any faster or easier than opening Adobe Scan, and poof it's done. And oh yeah, anyone can change the orientation of a photo on the laptop. Lets see you physically put your MacBook in portrait orientation to read a book or document.;)

Screen Capture of Adobe PDF Scan example
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Scanned on a HP OfficeJet 8022 Sheet Bed Scanner for Comparison
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Lets see your MacBook do the same as the video attachments below.;)
















 
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Webcat86

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I'm telling you what was reported. Are there exclusive features to the Siri-ChatGPT partnership?
Apple demonstrated an example of asking Siri for the weather in a different location, then following it up with a conversational response of making a calendar event at that location. Does ChatGPT do that?
 

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Part of me wonders if the Vision Pro and AI features have basically siphoned all the resources and attention away from the iPad. So it's basically suffering from the "middle child syndrome" here. 😕
Apple is currently better at hardware than software. The iPad‘s hardware is now close to perfection, which meant they put resources in that area. Obviously, AI has the potential to improve every product they sell, so it should take precedence. A Siri major update has been a request from users of all of their products for years now.

I am not sure Apple wants the iPad to replace the Mac. They have said that 50 percent of Mac owners also have an iPad. That would be ( potentially) a lot of sales lost. I could be wrong, but I seem to remember Apple saying they are complimentary devices. It’s why so many of the features have them working together…screen sharing, universal control, Airdrop, etc.

Personally, I don’t see a Mac replacing my iPad, either. The removable keyboard and Pencil make it more useful for the many ways I use the iPad. Also, for some unknown reason Apple Music can’t do bit rate switching on the fly with the Mac. The Mac isn’t perfect or people wouldn’t be clamoring for a way to replace it. So another question is why I can spec out a MacBook Pro to the max and still have a device that can’t use Pencil input like a $349 iPad?
 
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I am a new user of the Magic Keyboard, so have been giving my M4 iPad Pro a go at doing some slightly more laptop replacement tasks. I immediately ran into an issue that sort of blows me away - I was on a plane and simply trying to edit and sign a PDF, but it seems that the iPad version of Acrobat (the full paid version from creative cloud) can't do OCR to make a scanned PDF editable? Are you serious?
 
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I am a new user of the Magic Keyboard, so have been giving my M4 iPad Pro a go at doing some slightly more laptop replacement tasks. I immediately ran into an issue that sort of blows me away - I was on a plane and simply trying to edit and sign a PDF, but it seems that the iPad version of Acrobat (the full paid version from creative cloud) can't do OCR to make a scanned PDF editable? Are you serious?
Why not open it from files and use the edit feature - the pen (pointing up) icon?
 
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I am a new user of the Magic Keyboard, so have been giving my M4 iPad Pro a go at doing some slightly more laptop replacement tasks. I immediately ran into an issue that sort of blows me away - I was on a plane and simply trying to edit and sign a PDF, but it seems that the iPad version of Acrobat (the full paid version from creative cloud) can't do OCR to make a scanned PDF editable? Are you serious?
Adobe Scan is a free PDF and OCR Scanner and works very well for these needs.

 

Arctic Moose

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The results are just as legible and professional as any sheet bed scanner.

Nitpicking here, but this is a bit of a stretch, because that example looks like crap.

Is the quality sufficient for most things you need a form for? Sure. Is it much quicker, especially in the field? Absolutely! Would you scan anything you want to print and put on the wall that way? Hell no.

Screen Capture of Adobe PDF Scan example
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bondr006

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Nitpicking here, but this is a bit of a stretch, because that example looks like crap.

Is the quality sufficient for most things you need a form for? Sure. Is it much quicker, especially in the field? Absolutely! Would you scan anything you want to print and put on the wall that way? Hell no.
Well, to be fair, it is a screen shot of the original scanned .pdf....so there is some image quality loss. A .png screenshot will never look as good as the original.;)

It did let me upload the .pdf here, but I couldn't open it from the attachments.

Edit: I put an example of the same .pdf scanned with my HP sheet bed scanner there also. Not much difference. I think the screenshot of the one scanned with the iPad is better.
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