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PinkyMacGodess

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That has been what I’ve told people since the 1980s. Don’t fall in love with the hardware. Choose your software and buy what it runs on. You’d think that would be common sense but apparently it isn’t.

But people make decisions based on how they see things. A client was spooked by the prices of 'workstations' for CAD/CAM software, and bought really low end systems. After they didn't work, they asked me for help. I found some HP entry level workstations and they were perfect for their purpose and budget. People make bad decisions with bad data.

But I remember seeing a sale on drop dead gorgeous Unix computers and just had to have one. They were beautiful, and really expensive, even on sale. I had no use for them, but liked the look. :D:D:D:cool:
 

prospervic

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It's not Apple hate - it's pure frustration with having such a high-end piece of technology crippled in such a software way.
If only I could use iPad Pro as a Mac, making it my "single source of truth" device for office/home/anywhere work, reading/browsing/gaming on my sofa / in bed, then I would gladly give $10K to have it.
It was never Apple’s intention for the iPad to be your only computing device. At its introduction, Steve Jobs very deliberately positioned iPad as being “in between” your iPhone and your Mac. Why would any company tell you “Just buy this, you don’t need to buy our other products”?
 

spiderman0616

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It was never Apple’s intention for the iPad to be your only computing device. At its introduction, Steve Jobs very deliberately positioned iPad as being “in between” your iPhone and your Mac. Why would any company tell you “Just buy this, you don’t need to buy our other products”?
Tim Cook got a little ahead of himself with some of his statements in the press in 2015 when they released the first 12.9" iPad Pro. His comment about "why would you buy a PC?" a couple days later was a mistake, and people are still clinging to it as if it was his promise to them that the iPad would eventually become a Mac. I don't necessarily blame people for thinking that--goes to show that words have staying power.

But that was 7 years ago. I can't figure out why the arguing continues over this. It's pretty clear at this point what Tim Cook meant, but didn't say well: Most people can do everything they need on an iPad. For the people who can't, there's Mac.

This isn't hard to understand, unless someone is still clinging to Tim's press appearances in 2015.
 

Nejra

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I’m an artist and do a lot of sketching and sculpting on my iPad Pro, it is hands down the best portable productivity machine for artists And I love it.

For literally anything else it is imo a complete waste of power and money, need to do heavy video editing, get a Mac or pc, simple textprocessing and media consumption, get a basic iPad or better yet a relativly cheap oled android tablet.

The pro is a weird thing that for me personally is a godsend, but for most users will be overkill compared to its crippled software and not worth it at all.
 
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spiderman0616

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I’m an artist and do a lot of sketching and sculpting on my iPad Pro, it is hands down the best portable productivity machine for artists And I love it.

For literally anything else it is imo a complete waste of power and money, need to do heavy video editing, get a Mac or pc, simple textprocessing and media consumption, get a basic iPad or better yet a relativly cheap oled android tablet.

The pro is a weird thing that for me personally is a godsend, but for most users will be overkill compared to its crippled software and not worth it at all.
Ok, but you're living proof that there are definitely "pros" who can benefit from owning an iPad Pro over the other models. Maybe we can now end this ridiculous thread.
 

sparksd

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I’m an artist and do a lot of sketching and sculpting on my iPad Pro, it is hands down the best portable productivity machine for artists And I love it.

For literally anything else it is imo a complete waste of power and money, need to do heavy video editing, get a Mac or pc, simple textprocessing and media consumption, get a basic iPad or better yet a relativly cheap oled android tablet.

The pro is a weird thing that for me personally is a godsend, but for most users will be overkill compared to its crippled software and not worth it at all.

"for most users will be overkill ..." is a gross generalization.
 

spiderman0616

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Your Summer Smart Home Essential Has Arrived (plus, save $90!).png

I was thinking about replacing my non-Pro August Lock with this Pro model offer I got in my email today, but I've decided August doesn't respect their Pro homeowners enough to add the features they need, so I'm going to pass.
 
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spiderman0616

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Save a few bucks and get the Amateur version.
It's definitely the one "most users" should get. It will do most things that lockers-of-doors need to do without all the extra expense that August adds in. That August Lock tax just gets you every time.

Edit: And don't forget about LAST year's August Lock that is still in the lineup and a great deal, especially considering I've heard the August Lock Pro overheats if you use it too much.
 

sparksd

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It's definitely the one "most users" should get. It will do most things that lockers-of-doors need to do without all the extra expense that August adds in. That August Lock tax just gets you every time.

Edit: And don't forget about LAST year's August Lock that is still in the lineup and a great deal, especially considering I've heard the August Lock Pro overheats if you use it too much.

Not to mention that the Pro version doesn't work with the old door you bought for the previous model - need to upgrade that, too.
 

Darth Tulhu

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After 35 pages of arguing, I had to say that I had the opposite reaction to the OP.

My M1 iPad Pro 12.9 1TB 16GB of RAM is all the computer I will ever need for the next 5 to 10 years, and culminates 21 years of Mac exclusivity.

I handed my M1 MBA to my daughter (for college). That said, that MBA is close to the perfect all-around device.
 

spiderman0616

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After 35 pages of arguing, I had to say that I had the opposite reaction to the OP.

My M1 iPad Pro 12.9 1TB 16GB of RAM is all the computer I will ever need for the next 5 to 10 years, and culminates 21 years of Mac exclusivity.

I handed my M1 MBA to my daughter (for college). That said, that MBA is close to the perfect all-around device.
Yeah, but you're not getting the point. Nobody is supposed to buy the iPad Pro.
 

prospervic

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Tim Cook got a little ahead of himself with some of his statements in the press in 2015 when they released the first 12.9" iPad Pro. His comment about "why would you buy a PC?" a couple days later was a mistake, and people are still clinging to it as if it was his promise to them that the iPad would eventually become a Mac. I don't necessarily blame people for thinking that--goes to show that words have staying power.

But that was 7 years ago. I can't figure out why the arguing continues over this. It's pretty clear at this point what Tim Cook meant, but didn't say well: Most people can do everything they need on an iPad. For the people who can't, there's Mac.

This isn't hard to understand, unless someone is still clinging to Tim's press appearances in 2015.
Apparently most didn’t catch Cook’s tongue-in-cheek. He said “why would you buy a PC?“ clearly aiming and his barb at computers running Microsoft Windows. He certainly expected people to continue to buy Macs, regardless of whether or not they owned an iPad.
 

spiderman0616

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Apparently most didn’t catch Cook’s tongue-in-cheek. He said “why would you buy a PC?“ clearly aiming and his barb at computers running Microsoft Windows. He certainly expected people to continue to buy Macs, regardless of whether or not they owned an iPad.
The next day though, he clarified that he meant both Mac and PC.
 

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The whole “iPad Pro is not pro because no Mac pro apps huh huh” is just a thoughtless content-creator derived take.

Most people I know who use Mac Pro Apps are not using an M1 or M2 MacBook Air, they are using something with a fan, more cores, more RAM, more GPU cores. Porting these apps to an M1 or M2 iPad would be simply irrelevant to them.

Similar, the whole criticism of the M1 iPad Pro for not carrying Apple’s pro apps is a meme right now. Content creators use FCP on their Mac Pros/Mac Studios/M1 Max Macbook Pros to produce their videos. Their demand for FCP on iPad - does not make logical sense. If you asked them to do their “pro workload“ on a Macbook Air they would whinge about thermal throttling and lack of cores. If Apple ported FCP to iPad, similarly content creators would try it and then trash it in a review.

Apple isn’t going to put the money in to make a port of FCP for iPadOS right now, because:
- there is no constituency to buy it
- there is no return on investment
- people who own FCP for MacOS would balk at paying again for it
- it would get negative reviews because it would not compare favourably to FCP on Macs with more power and MacOS’ better memory management.
 

PinkyMacGodess

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The whole “iPad Pro is not pro because no Mac pro apps huh huh” is just a thoughtless content-creator derived take.

Most people I know who use Mac Pro Apps are not using an M1 or M2 MacBook Air, they are using something with a fan, more cores, more RAM, more GPU cores. Porting these apps to an M1 or M2 iPad would be simply irrelevant to them.

Similar, the whole criticism of the M1 iPad Pro for not carrying Apple’s pro apps is a meme right now. Content creators use FCP on their Mac Pros/Mac Studios/M1 Max Macbook Pros to produce their videos. Their demand for FCP on iPad - does not make logical sense. If you asked them to do their “pro workload“ on a Macbook Air they would whinge about thermal throttling and lack of cores. If Apple ported FCP to iPad, similarly content creators would try it and then trash it in a review.

Apple isn’t going to put the money in to make a port of FCP for iPadOS right now, because:
- there is no constituency to buy it
- there is no return on investment
- people who own FCP for MacOS would balk at paying again for it
- it would get negative reviews because it would not compare favourably to FCP on Macs with more power and MacOS’ better memory management.

But many software companies have put out apps for iPads that also are available on traditional macs (with or without fans)...
 
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