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The exception to this pattern is the iPod video/classic. Its offerings went from multiple storage capacity to single capacity, back to multiple, back to single, and then to a higher single capacity.

When was the middle shrink-expansion? I only remember the final shrink.

But more importantly, there is a difference with what Apple has done here with the mini. In the past whenever Apple has reduced a product to a single capacity before ending it, it has always been the lowest capacity, because there were newer, better, more expensive versions of essentially the same product, and Apple wanted to provide a cheaper option. With the mini, Apple has broken the pattern and done something new by keeping he highest capacity and priced it higher than the bigger 9.7 iPad.

With the broken pattern and a new precedent, we can’t confidently say one way or another what Apple is going to do with the mini.

The writer of this editorial piece has an interesting and very plausible theory as to why the higher capacity was kept: https://www.macobserver.com/columns-opinions/editorial/why-ipad-mini-on-deathbed/

Also as to why Apple hasn't killed it as of yet.

@Yebubbleman @subjonas I get "history" but the idea that Apple management is somehow bound by the laws of physics is really a stretch for me. I will just say that we'll see what they do when they announce it. I'd love an updated and up-to-date Mini. I'm not going to old by breath, but I'm not going to give up maintaining at least a little hope here.

Of course, they're not bound by the laws of physics...wait, what am I saying?! We're ALL bound by the laws of physics! But I get what you're saying. Surely, trends are not the end all be all of what Apple will or will not do. Merely that they're indication of whether you'd be foolish to be willing to go to Vegas and how much you'd be willing to wager on predicting said Apple product line's fate.

And really, I'm sharing your hope as well. I'm freakin' pissed that in order to at least be at an A9, I need to forego the 7.9" iPad form factor. It seems stupid and unfair. But, like you, I'm not holding my breath and probably for the same reasons you're not.

As already stated in earlier posts that you failed to read or understand, the fact that I can't see a noticeable difference in the screens is important to my buying decision, not yours or anyone else's. That's what.

Again, pretty moot seeing as the only way you're buying an iPad mini with the inferior color gamut (i.e. the mini 2 or 3) is if you buy refurbished or used. Whatever floats your boat, man?

Your assumptions and claims have been proven false by other posts, and by history itself, so there's no point in repeating what others obviously already know.

Do you even know what you're talking about anymore?


The fact remains that neither you nor I nor anyone outside of Apple have any reliable way of knowing with certainty what Apple will and won't do with regard to the iPad mini's future. The difference is, I'm sensible enough to admit that..

You put the bold-faced word in my mouth. I never said it was for certain. I only said that it was an EXTREMELY SAFE BET, so much so that it almost might as well be. But I never said that it was.


I never claimed that Apple would or would not discontinue the mini. I simply have accurately refuted the assumption that the iPad mini has already been replaced by a successor model..

Depends on your definition of "successor model". By your definition, namely something that has the exact same technical specs, no, it has not been replaced by anything. The point of the argument is that by your definition it very likely never will be.

By my definition of "successor model"...which, to be fair, isn't even my definition - so, let's just say from the MARKETING definition, which is to say that from a solely marketing standpoint (because Apple is, after all, a marketing-centric company first and foremost), the iPad mini has been replaced by the 9.7" "Fifth Generation" iPad as the most affordable iPad. This is not the only reason why people buy an iPad mini. I'm also guessing that it isn't the reason anyone participating in this thread buys the iPad mini (certainly not why I've done it). But it's a reason that DOES influence sales numbers and IS significant to Apple because marketing is significant to Apple and that's how they've marketed the iPad mini at the present time. Apple has not historically elevated products in the position the iPad mini is in now back to being ones that are not at the end of the line. Therefore it is an extremely safe bet that it is done.



Until the iPad mini is officially discontinued by Apple, no one can claim with certainty what the future iPad model line-up will be, or whether it will or won't include an iPad mini form factor.

There you go putting that word back in my mouth again. I never said it was certain. I said it might as well be certain...that it was a safe bet if you wanted to bet money on it. But I never at any point said that it was definite or certain. Apple has yet to put out a press release. That said, I'm not making any technology plans around the future of the iPad mini line because I am, sadly, extremely confident that there won't be one.

I do not suggest updating, at least not now, and honestly probably not ever. I am not convinced that the A8 can handle iOS 11. I can tell you that I had iOS 11.0 and 11.0.1 on my Mini 4 and it was a laggy, jerky experience. Some people have said that 11.1 is better, but not everyone is having the same experience. I would be very careful about updating, because there's no going back now.

I'm totally with you on this one. I'm typically wary of updating anything with the processor family that is second to oldest. And if the oldest, I only do it if it is a test device of some sort. I've done it with iOS 11 and the iPad mini 2 and with iOS 9 and the third generation iPad. It is always crappy to use. Second to oldest processor family devices certainly still function and will often suffice for simple tasks, but the experience sucks, which makes buying one new sort of a crappy proposition (unless you can somehow guarantee that it comes with an older version of iOS).

I just wish Apple would come out and tell folks what the plans are for the mini moving forward.

If they are going to let it sail into the sunset, so be it; just tell us.

The secrecy is completely unwarranted.
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I get the feeling that given the iPad mini's commercial usefulness (as portable POS systems, among other professional purposes (and widespread deployment), it will make sense for them to do something toward that effort...though perhaps its continued existence, especially at the higher capacity and pricepoint than the baseline Fifth Generation iPad might be for that purpose. Then again, at some point, if I was a business and I needed something of that size to use for those purposes, I'd see about switching to Samsung as they seem to not be stopping the production of mini tablets; having just introduced a new Galaxy Tab A 8.0 that apparently isn't totally underpowered.
 
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Thanks for the link to the MacObserver article. My interpretation, in a single word, for the author's pessimism: Plus.

I tried that and it didn't work - for me. But look at my sig, I'm neither typical of Apple owners any more nor the sort of customer that Apple actually wants and cares about pleasing.
 
$275 at Best Buy on BF if anybody was on the fence...

I’ve been on the fence for a while, so the $275 Best Buy deal was too good to pass on! Picked up a space gray model yesterday and couldn’t be happier. It shipped with 10.3 and after reading all the horror stories on here, I reluctantly upgraded with fingers crossed to 11.1 (anticipating the worst)... Absolutely no problems at all - everything is running smoothly
 
The Best Buy specs say "iOS 9" but the picture looks like iOS 11. If it is truly iOS 9 I would be tempted to pick up another one. I am worried that iOS 11 will not sync with Sierra 10.12.6/iTunes 12.2, and I plan to avoid High Sierra for a long time. Would there be a way to get iOS 10.3.3 on it?

Just read the above post, I am very tempted to get one, it is such a great, perfectly sized device.
 
The Best Buy specs say "iOS 9" but the picture looks like iOS 11. If it is truly iOS 9 I would be tempted to pick up another one. I am worried that iOS 11 will not sync with Sierra 10.12.6/iTunes 12.2, and I plan to avoid High Sierra for a long time. Would there be a way to get iOS 10.3.3 on it?

I picked mine up in store and it came with iOS 10.3.3.
 
$275 at Best Buy on BF if anybody was on the fence...

313 Euro is the best price at present (it's a time-limited offer, free shipping too) for a new Mini 4 128 GB in my land.. I'm on the fence too and I guess I'll grab one in the following days. I love the form factor and the screen.. and I'm pretty sure it'll do the job fine for a couple of years.
 
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The mini’s cpu is soooo old and out of date with so little RAM. Its a terrible buy. My wife is dying for an upgrade :/

Apple will make a few big sales if they refresh the SE phone and mini iPad.
 
$275 is a steal! I wish I would have waited a bit but the $299 offer wasn't half bad either when I did get one for my wife. It came with 10.3.2 and she's intentionally avoiding iOS 11 since it has made her SE do some very odd things (bugs, not able to send iMessage sometimes, MMS bugs, UI bugs, rotation bugs, camera glitches, autocorrect bug, etc.). But 10.3 runs very smoothly on the Mini 4.

And to the above, yes the CPU is old (dual core A8) but it does have 2GB of RAM allowing for multitasking/split view, drag and drop in iOS 11 and so on. Compared it to my work Air 2 (A8X triple core) and while it is a little slower, it's not that much slower. And since it has the same amount of RAM as the Air 2, iPad 5th gen, iPad pro 9.7, iPhone 6s/7 and more I'd imagine it'll be supported as long as the Air 2 is even when Apple drops A8 support on the iPhone 6 and iPod touch, due to the extra memory. I remember the iPhone 4 had an A4 with 512MB RAM and the iPod touch had A4 with 256MB along with iPad 1 and they didn't get iOS 7, or 6 in the iPad's case. Not that the 4 ran 7 all that well but that's beside my point.

I'd get another today if I had the funds (getting married and buying a house tends to drain your pleasure spending, haha).
 
the more i use the ipad mini4 the more i enjoy it...i don't game or place high demands on it and don't keep alot of tabs open (and am always doing a systems clean for memory etc)...instead i mostly to use as a visual interface with my naim muso with tidal music streaming...or for browsing news etc...great little product. and on the road when i want to use it, if there is no wifi is around, i'll just hotspot it to my cell.
 
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Big fan of the Mini line (except the 3...) I've got a Mini 4 and love it. I never use my 9.7"... It's fast enough for what I do, it's even better now that iOS 11 is out with it's options for tablets. Of course I could be wrong... ;-)

It is likely to be discontinued in the next year... unfortunately... But I'd love a Mini-Pro! I know it's not going to happen... Especially with the iPhone's getting bigger.

Coachingguy

Love the form factor too. It is pocketable, which you cannot say for the regular iPad. The weight is an other issue too. I am using the Mini a lot with duet with my MBP. It is a handy space for floating toolboxes, etc. for many apps and my tenonedesign mountie has no problems in holding it next to the screen.

But I do share your desire for a Mini-Pro! I would definitely get one.
 
The mini’s cpu is soooo old and out of date with so little RAM. Its a terrible buy. My wife is dying for an upgrade :/

Apple will make a few big sales if they refresh the SE phone and mini iPad.

I have an iPad Mini 4 and an iPhone 8+. Even with a device with the latest specs to compare it to, the Mini 4 doesn't perform badly for every day tasks. And it has the same RAM as the iPhone 8. Only 1 GB less than the 8+ and X.
 
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OK...I am posting this mostly as humor, I think, but here goes.

There's a post on the MR front page about a rumored 6.5" bezel-less iPhone X Plus. Maybe that's Apple's answer to the Mini? That's huge (and will be hugely expensive).
 
OK...I am posting this mostly as humor, I think, but here goes.

There's a post on the MR front page about a rumored 6.5" bezel-less iPhone X Plus. Maybe that's Apple's answer to the Mini? That's huge (and will be hugely expensive).

Sucks for people who want a small iPad but hate big phones.
 
Sold my 32GB Air 2 with cellular after standing 100 yards from Euston Station in central London and only being able to get 3G (the fault of the provider rather than the device but then realised I bought it for the cellular and had used it 3 or 4 times in 6 months but had spent £10 a month for the SIM deal) and bought a 128GB Mini 4 no cellular (which also enabled me to switch down to an 8plus 64GB from a 7plus 128GB - a cost based decision).The Mini 4 is lovely - perfect for reading, which is my principle use for it. Played podcasts and youtube music videos through it for 7 hours straight last Saturday and only used around 25% of the battery. A very happy camper here.
 
Does anyone have straight comparison between latest iOS 11 updates and iOS 10.3.3 on iPad Mini 4?
I eventually got mine and still thinking if i need to upgrade to iOS 11.2
 
Does anyone have straight comparison between latest iOS 11 updates and iOS 10.3.3 on iPad Mini 4?
I eventually got mine and still thinking if i need to upgrade to iOS 11.2
Strange, on iOS 11.3 The iPad Mini 4 seems the Fastest, on A8 Devices.
1. iPad Mini 4 7/10
2. iPad Air 2 6/10
3. iPhone 6/6 Plus 5/10
4. iPod Touch 6Th Gen 4/10

I compare my iPad Mini 4 to my Cousins iPad Air 2 on iOS 11.3 on both. Mine seems faster, now this proves that Newer is better and a bit faster even the iPad Air has Triple Core.

Now, to answer OP question iPad Mini 4 will only be supported until the Fall Of 2019 which means iOS 12 would be it's last.
 
I switched from Mini 4 to iPad Pro 10.5 and didn't regret it
Its time to officially give up iPad Mini no matter if you love Mini form factor, specs do matter, its day and night between Mini 4 and 10.5 in term of fluidity
RIP iPad Mini because of Apple himself
 
I switched from Mini 4 to iPad Pro 10.5 and didn't regret it
Its time to officially give up iPad Mini no matter if you love Mini form factor, specs do matter, its day and night between Mini 4 and 10.5 in term of fluidity
RIP iPad Mini because of Apple himself

i sold my mini 4 a month ago...was too small in the end....to me the ideal size is 10.5''
but ill await to see what the new possibly bezel less ipad pros will deliver.
 
I just sold my mini 2.
I'm a physician and the mini-size is the only one that fits in my doctor's coat. I don't use my phone to look up things because I think it looks unprofessional, the mini really was perfect for this.

But it got too old/slow, and I don't want to pay for a mini 4 with old technology.

Please, Apple, please. Make a new mini that is up to date and I'll pay whatever you ask for it. I honestly think that for professionals who are on the move all the time, the mini is a solution for so many problems.
 
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