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That would necessitate a commensurate rise in price. I doubt whether many punters would be up for that. I certainly wouldn't.
I had that happen last week on my Mini4. Maybe an IOS bug that randomly (rarely) pops up?
I would. And they could keep the mini 5 as it is right now for users like you who don’t want to pay more.
By your logic the 11’ and 12.9’ models shouldn’t exist because there are already the AIR3, and make it better would rise the price of AIR3? It’s the same thing. I don’t ask to exist only one mini pro, i ask the same treatment as the big models. Cheap iPad mini for those who want cheap iPads and pro minis for those who and quadspeakers, promotion, 4GB Ram etc.
Thinking better your logic is almost the same as the big companies...small products=worse products. I don’t understand why, some people like me actually would prefer a pro model in 8/9’ instead of 11’ or 12.9’ inches.
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Note, @Fenhalls mentioned there probably wouldn't be many willing to shell out that kind of cash for a Pro 7.9/Mini, not that there wouldn't be any.
I suspect he's right. If there was a sizable enough market for a higher profit margin Pro 7.9/Mini, I expect Apple would be selling one already. As it is, we had to wait four years to get a specs update in the same Mini 4 chassis.
I understand what he said. But in my very first post i said “if and when” Apple make and iPad mini with the same features as the big ones. I was already aware that Apple almost certain will not go that way.
But in my opinion they just follow the trend big = better, not because there are not enough people willing to pay for an iPad Pro mini. Apple margins are big enough to accommodate one model that maybe, or maybe not, will not have a huge amounts of sales. It’s not like the iPads sell what they usually do in the past anyway.
I suspect that the amount of people willing to pay for an iPad mini pro are the same of even more that the amount of people willing to pay for an 12.9’ IPad Pro...but it exist anyway. Maybe because the mini pro will be cheaper than the 11’ and 12.9’...maybe in fact the model will actually sell more than the 12.9’ i guess.
Since it’s a hypothetical scenario no one can know for sure what the sales will be if there exists an iPad Pro with 8/9’ inches.
For me, personally, i will be in that boat for sure. It’s my favorite size of an iPad and I have try all of them (except the 12.9’) but it’s to big and heavy for me so i don’t even need to try it to know that i would not like to use it.
Generally speaking the vast majority of people want a larger screen. Most people will not pay more for a tablet or phone with a smaller screen especially one like the mini that is considered by many to be merely a secondary device. The market for the mini is exceedingly limited as it is. A pro model at a far higher price would be attractive to a much smaller market. That is why Apple have not, and, in all likelihood, will never produce that kind of tablet.
You take it all too personally. Neither I nor Apple are setting out to ruin your fun just for the hell of it. It is merely a pragmatic recognition of the realities of a very unforgiving marketplace.
What we do know for a fact is that Apple hasn't released an iPad Pro Mini.
Apple has access to their sales numbers, probably spend millions in market research and they're in the business to make $$$$ profit. If something like the Pro Mini will sell like hotcakes, then I'm guessing Apple would be selling such a model already.
I think that Apple has taken something of a flyer on both the Air and the mini. They are testing the waters. That's why they have spent virtually zip on redesigning these devices. My guess is that there were two camps in Apple regarding the mini. There was the camp that wanted to kill it stone dead. Pitted against them were the people who saw that the 4 was still selling despite its elderly looks and innards, and that over and above the retail demand there was still a significant commercial need for such a device. The management eventually came down on the side of the latter camp with this compromise of dated exteriors coupled with snazzy new internals.
The tablet market is in dire straits. Android is down for the count and even mighty Apple is long past its glory days in this particular sector. In a shrunken market the mini has but one or two competitors of any kind, and the reason for that is quite simple: big is in and small is out. It is inconceivable that Apple will roll the dice again by taking the mini into pro territory. Those who think otherwise are whistling Dixie.
BTW, in this place, a site where Apple diehards gather to chew the fat and offer up their love and support for their favourite tech brand - even here - there is much doubt and indecision disseminated about the real need for the new mini.
Ok, you seem absolute certain. There is no room to debate about it if you have already accept all of those things for a fact.
I still think that the market for such an iPad will be close to the market for 12.9’. Maybe i’m very wrong, i don’t have the numbers, i don’t know.
Despite this i almost certain buy one if it ever exists, i can have this hope/desire even if i honestly don’t think they will ever go that way in the near future
.Nobody here can deduce the size of the market based on our common knowledge. The main argument seems to be that because Apple doesn’t prioritize or sell a product, that means there’s no sizable market for it. That’s a huge logical leap. Apple can have other reasons for not selling something, and in fact are well known for making unpopular choices because of their own reasons. Sometimes they are right, sometimes they are wrong. The only facts are that there are many unknown factors, and we just don’t know.
Everyone is free to make guesses of course, but being adamant about your opinion in this is like being adamant about what’s in a black hole.
Everyone is free to make guesses of course, but being adamant about your opinion in this is like being adamant about what’s in a black hole.
No doubt Apple and Samsung and the rest will bow to your superior knowledge of their marketplace and immediately start producing a whole slew of extremely high-end 8" tablets.
They have their reasons too.
And I find it ironic you say I have superior knowledge when my only claim is that we don’t have knowledge.
Only if you believe that companies like Apple and Samsung no nothing.
Samsung's flagship tablet series, the S, used to have a high-end smaller tablet. That was in the days of the S2. No smaller tablet for the S3. No smaller tablet for the S4. Can you guess why?
I didn’t say they know nothing. I said they have their reasons that we don’t know. This is the third time I said that. I don’t know how to make it clearer.
They couldn’t compete with competitors? They wanted to focus on different markets? They wanted to upsell? It didn’t fit their vision? Who knows? Not us.
By the way, I don’t know if you realize this, but I’m not saying you’re wrong on your conclusion. I actually agree with it of sorts. It’s your rock solid belief in the strength of your argument that I find perplexing.
Oh, I do think it's possible, but absent some radical shift in culture and/or public taste, I'd put the likelihood up there with the second coming or even trying to successfully instil decent commercial instincts in certain rather obtuse individuals.
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I am one that would not buy a Mini Pro. I just would not want to spend much more than £500 on one device. For my use, the Pro features are just overkill and I am much preferring the Mini form factor to the former full sized iPads. It would be horrible if Apple did try to force Pro features onto users just because of their preference for the smaller form factor. Face ID doesn’t appeal to me at all so if I was wanting a Pro, I would go for the 10.5 refurb as a few posters have been doing.
I do appreciate that it is a tired design for most, it’s just new to me because I haven’t had a Mini before. That said, the design of Mini 1-3 does seem better (avoids home button issue?) and while it doesn’t really bother me, it’s just there and making me wonder why the screen size wasn’t made 8. something. The same rear camera is a little disappointing, mainly because if the Mini goes so long without an update again, it won’t even be an ok camera then (which it is now, decent light permitting.) Also, having only a 1MP difference between rear and front is just strange.
I do appreciate that it is a tired design for most, it’s just new to me because I haven’t had a Mini before. That said, the design of Mini 1-3 does seem better (avoids home button issue?) and while it doesn’t really bother me, it’s just there and making me wonder why the screen size wasn’t made 8. something. The same rear camera is a little disappointing, mainly because if the Mini goes so long without an update again, it won’t even be an ok camera then (which it is now, decent light permitting.) Also, having only a 1MP difference between rear and front is just strange.
we're all in that boat.
By piece-mealing various reports it seems that the majority of the iPad Mini units sell to "vertical markets"... Airline pilots, retail point-of-sales, warehouse workers, order-takers, etc. Private consumer sales don't appear to be a market that Apple is overly concerned with.
For those vertical markets, the Mini 5 is perfect. A 2018 Pro-style Mini might cater to a select few, but not in sufficient quantities at the pricepoint that Apple would need to charge to make it worthwhile.
The price of a Mini Pro would be nearly that of the 11" Pro... the amount of glass and aluminum saved by the smaller form-factor is negligible with relation to the final MSRP. The vertical markets wouldn't really benefit from the 2018 Pro features and would balk at the increased price necessary to include those features.
But I get that there are some who would be willing to pay that for a Mini Pro.
I think there is a good possibility of a 2018 Pro-style Mini being produced in the future. But by that time, people will have moved on and want the SuperDuperPro 2024 style Mini.Despite this i almost certain buy one if it ever exists, i can have this hope/desire even if i honestly don’t think they will ever go that way in the near future
The longer I own the mini 5 the more its design bothers me. I didn't think it would, but it surely does. I expect I have become accustomed to narrow bezels on TVs, computer monitors and other tablets. I am staring at Dell UltraSharp monitors with their elegant understated design for many hours virtually every single day. I suppose it is bound to have a significant influence.
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we're all in that boat.
By piece-mealing various reports it seems that the majority of the iPad Mini units sell to "vertical markets"... Airline pilots, retail point-of-sales, warehouse workers, order-takers, etc. Private consumer sales don't appear to be a market that Apple is overly concerned with.
For those vertical markets, the Mini 5 is perfect. A 2018 Pro-style Mini might cater to a select few, but not in sufficient quantities at the pricepoint that Apple would need to charge to make it worthwhile.
The price of a Mini Pro would be nearly that of the 11" Pro... the amount of glass and aluminum saved by the smaller form-factor is negligible with relation to the final MSRP. The vertical markets wouldn't really benefit from the 2018 Pro features and would balk at the increased price necessary to include those features.
But I get that there are some who would be willing to pay that for a Mini Pro.
I think there is a good possibility of a 2018 Pro-style Mini being produced in the future. But by that time, people will have moved on and want the SuperDuperPro 2024 style Mini.
Bendable smartphone/tablet hybrids. I'd bite at around £1,000-£1,200.
Oh but i think they eventually will, just not in the near futurewe're all in that boat.
By piece-mealing various reports it seems that the majority of the iPad Mini units sell to "vertical markets"... Airline pilots, retail point-of-sales, warehouse workers, order-takers, etc. Private consumer sales don't appear to be a market that Apple is overly concerned with.
For those vertical markets, the Mini 5 is perfect. A 2018 Pro-style Mini might cater to a select few, but not in sufficient quantities at the pricepoint that Apple would need to charge to make it worthwhile.
The price of a Mini Pro would be nearly that of the 11" Pro... the amount of glass and aluminum saved by the smaller form-factor is negligible with relation to the final MSRP. The vertical markets wouldn't really benefit from the 2018 Pro features and would balk at the increased price necessary to include those features.
But I get that there are some who would be willing to pay that for a Mini Pro.
I think there is a good possibility of a 2018 Pro-style Mini being produced in the future. But by that time, people will have moved on and want the SuperDuperPro 2024 style Mini.
. The price difference between mini and 11’ would be identical to the difference between mini 4 and the iPad that existed when mini 4 was launched, the amount of glass and aluminium saved it’s identical. Back in the day it was what...100/150$? It was not so negligible back in those days, it’s money.For the rest i absolute agree with you, since they seems to treat the smaller products worse they will probably use the pro designs in the mini...when the Pros already have moved to the next design
. When i sold my mini 4 and bought the 10.5’ pro i immediately regret because of the size and height...now i’m more used to it but it’s never comfortable to hold like mini 4 was so i am wanting since then an iPad mini with the features that i love in the 10.5’ (the screen, the speakers, etc).I’m not an iPhone user but now i feel the struggle of the people who want smaller iPhones...and are “forced” to buy iPhones with specs and design not so last gen because nowadays always seems that bigger=better. It’s a little bit ironic remember how in the past Apple users used to make fun of “gigantic Android phones that don’t even fit the pocket” in the time of iPhone 5s, and now years later it’s the own Apple that are “forcing” their costumers to buy the biggest (and expensive) if they want the very best they have to offer.
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Same here. Especially with an oled screen.
Just because there isn't one yet doesn't mean there'll never be. There was a time when there was no iPad Mini and these forums were full of people voicing their outrage at the mere mention of the possibility.
In the end, I'm confident that Apple could create the customer desire aka. market for a Mini Pro if they wanted to.
Not saying it will happen. But if it does, I'll be the first to shove my hard earned cash into the hands of an Apple Store employee.
There will not be one because there is insufficient demand. Not only has the demand for tablets shrunk generally, but the mini's form factor is now less desirable because of the seemingly ever-increasing size of phones. People just don't want to carry two devices if they don't absolutely have to. We should be very grateful for the new mini and leave it at that.
Bendable phones/tablets are the next big thing. Likely that will put paid to the mini completely.
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