definitely think if they changed the orientation it wouldn't be as noticeable even in tests. because the screen would be longer the angle is less like @klasma mentioned. looking at my iPad Pro, it does seem like it's happening in portrait as well, but the refresh rate might be hiding it so it's not very obvious.
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Yes, in the other orientation the slant would even be improved over the old mini, due to the changed aspect ratio.
I restored my iPad Mnin 6 from an iPad 12.9 Pro backup. (had to set up as fresh, update to the release version of iOS 15, then reset to factory and restore the 12.9 image (I like to keep my two iPads in config sync). I haven't seen it.
I wonder if weird stuff like that can cause some to not have it, whle others do.
I wonder if weird stuff like that can cause some to not have it, whle others do.
I’ve now done a bit more self-analysis on why I originally didn’t see the issue and why now that I can see it, it still doesn’t bother me.
I only see the jelly effect when I scroll up and down for about 3 or more seconds. If I just scroll down a page of text for example, my eyes/brain aren't fast enough to see the slanted text. Others obviously have much faster perception when scrolling in one direction for even a brief period of time.
I’m kind of happy that I can’t see the jelly scrolling with my normal usage. People’s differences in perception are a bit fascinating. For me it is a bit hard to understand how this issue could rise to the level of wanting to return the iPad mini. It is essentially a non-issue but I also know people who have to turn off various motion attributes of their iPhone or iPad or they either get dizzy or get migraines. That is also very odd to me.
I would say that anyone who finds the scrolling a problem on the iPad mini should contact Apple immediately and if Apple can't give an update on a possible fix, return the iPad before the return window closes. If enough people return it, Apple can figure out that they may have made a mistake in changing the update axis from portrait to landscape.
I only see the jelly effect when I scroll up and down for about 3 or more seconds. If I just scroll down a page of text for example, my eyes/brain aren't fast enough to see the slanted text. Others obviously have much faster perception when scrolling in one direction for even a brief period of time.
I’m kind of happy that I can’t see the jelly scrolling with my normal usage. People’s differences in perception are a bit fascinating. For me it is a bit hard to understand how this issue could rise to the level of wanting to return the iPad mini. It is essentially a non-issue but I also know people who have to turn off various motion attributes of their iPhone or iPad or they either get dizzy or get migraines. That is also very odd to me.
I would say that anyone who finds the scrolling a problem on the iPad mini should contact Apple immediately and if Apple can't give an update on a possible fix, return the iPad before the return window closes. If enough people return it, Apple can figure out that they may have made a mistake in changing the update axis from portrait to landscape.
This is really key -- it's almost certainly there on everyone devices as it appears to be a result of design and component choices.
Whether it bothers the owner or not is the subjective part.
There's hope that the current issue will make Apple take the scanning direction more into consideration for future models. There might however be a cost factor which makes portrait displays more expensive than landscape displays (e.g. number of physical display driver lines).
No, we don't know it is "certainly there on everyone devices". For instance, Apple may use more than one screen or component manufacturer.
Fair - good clarification and point.
Thank you
It seems quite prevalent given the reports of people observing it on "all display models they tried at the Apple Store".
But you are absolutely correct - it very well could be about particular display manufacturers.
That’s exactly how I did it and I have have the badly unfortunately
Interestingly I have just tried my Mini 5 and it does it in landscape not portrait. I never noticed before, but it is annoying me on the Mini 6. The fact the 5 does it makes me worry there won’t be a fix. Not sure what to do, the 5 is meant to be collected for recycling tomorrow…
A fix is very unlikely, in my opinion. I'd keep the 5 for the time being. You can still upgrade to a 6 later in case the issue is fixed or if you decide you can live with it.
I'm increasingly of this conclusion also.
This seems like it might be on every device and reports are varying due to sensitivity or caring about it (or not) and how much it impacts ones ideal usage situations, etc. This sort of issue can be very very subjective.
I do still hold out hope that the batches out there are split between display manufacturers and perhaps some units in the wild really are a lot better due to that --- which would at least give hope to try to get a unit with that display brand.
I’m really undecided. I have to turn off pixel shifting on monitors because it annoys me and no one else in the office notices it. It’s making me feel motion sickness now but I know I’m looking for it which makes it worse. I’m coming from a release day mini 4 which was starting to show its age so I really want to love it.
Someone just posted over on the Macrumors article about this:
jbellanca said:
I find it interesting that no one's mentioned the one thing that maybe indicates it might be software not hardware – when you open up a side list, like the list of emails in Mail, and scroll just the list on the left side, it ALSO exhibits this behavior - there's jelly WITHIN the small list, all on the left side of the screen. If it were the display controllers, I don't think this would also be happening.
I wrote about this a few pages back. I think this gets the heart of the potential issue and suggests software may be to blame, why does the “jelly “ effect still happen in discreet parts of the screen - in this case when scrolling only the lefthand side bar of Mail, or Apole News etc 🤔
jbellanca said:
I find it interesting that no one's mentioned the one thing that maybe indicates it might be software not hardware – when you open up a side list, like the list of emails in Mail, and scroll just the list on the left side, it ALSO exhibits this behavior - there's jelly WITHIN the small list, all on the left side of the screen. If it were the display controllers, I don't think this would also be happening.
I wrote about this a few pages back. I think this gets the heart of the potential issue and suggests software may be to blame, why does the “jelly “ effect still happen in discreet parts of the screen - in this case when scrolling only the lefthand side bar of Mail, or Apole News etc 🤔
I'm a bit of a bystander on this as I only own a M1 iPad, but the topic interests me as I've dealt with jelly scrolling before. I'm a long time Samsung Galaxy Fold user and its iterations, but the original Galaxy Fold had very bad jelly scrolling and was one of the main issues people found with the device.
The issue was chalked down to hardware and the orientation of the display drivers due to the folding display - I'd guess the Mini 6 is also hardware in a similar, orientation-and-size based manner. Samsung never publicly acknowledged it but did try some software tweaks to alleviate the effect, which is the main reason I'm commenting - If Apple do acknowledge the issue then it could be alleviated in software.
On the Galaxy Fold the solution was baked into some apps (e.g. Samsung's Internet browser), baked into the actual software (an option in the display settings for Chrome, and for the majority nothing was done. Here's a screenshot example I have saved from my time with the Fold:
This was entirely in software in the Samsung Browser - it pretty much alleviated the issue on the main screen in that one app by slanting the text while scrolling. Apple could do similar (hopefully more elegantly within the whole OS) if they acknowledge the issue.
The issue was essentially fixed with the Z Fold 2 onwards by moving to a 120hz refresh screen.
The issue was chalked down to hardware and the orientation of the display drivers due to the folding display - I'd guess the Mini 6 is also hardware in a similar, orientation-and-size based manner. Samsung never publicly acknowledged it but did try some software tweaks to alleviate the effect, which is the main reason I'm commenting - If Apple do acknowledge the issue then it could be alleviated in software.
On the Galaxy Fold the solution was baked into some apps (e.g. Samsung's Internet browser), baked into the actual software (an option in the display settings for Chrome, and for the majority nothing was done. Here's a screenshot example I have saved from my time with the Fold:
This was entirely in software in the Samsung Browser - it pretty much alleviated the issue on the main screen in that one app by slanting the text while scrolling. Apple could do similar (hopefully more elegantly within the whole OS) if they acknowledge the issue.
The issue was essentially fixed with the Z Fold 2 onwards by moving to a 120hz refresh screen.
This is a misunderstanding of how the effect works. Copying my reply from the other thread:
No, this is totally expected, it doesn’t matter which region of the display you scroll. It’s not the display controller per se that creates the visual effect, it’s that the underlying image-to-be-displayed changes (due to scrolling) while the screen is updating the display, hence different horizontal positions on the display end up showing different scrolling positions, creating a “slanted” look across the region being scrolled.
It doesn’t matter which region is being scrolled for that region to appear slanted.
I just tested that on mine and it's like that on mine too. Hope is actually indicative that this is only a software issue that can be fixed. If it can be, this would be one of my favorite Apple devices ever.
but I doubt it
It’s far worse than it was on the iPad mini 5 while also being significantly more expensive. That’s not “fine”.
This happens on my old iPad mini 4. I thought it was just an artifact of being a big display. Oh well.
I knew there was something off when I first laid eyes on the Mini 6. But now I can't un-see it.
Apparently the very first iPad had that issue too (although less pronounced):