iPad mini iPad Mini 6 jelly scrolling

[Ixon2001]

Yesterday I went to a store to test this jello effect for myself on the Mini 6, & honestly it's just as bad as Samsung Tab S5e which is the worst Samsung tablet for this jello effect.

I think the only way to eliminate this effect in the future is to up the refresh rate, even at 120hz on my Tab S7 Plus it's still there, but not to the point where it's a deal breaker.

144hz or even 200hz would totally solve this problem, but we probably a few years away from seeing these kind of refresh rates more so 200hz on a tablet because impact on the battery it would have, some gaming laptop's & monitor's are now hitting over 300hz to eliminate screen tearing when gaming.

 

[Mac Tyson]

not really a big deal to me.

 

[Richard8655]

For me the constant tilting is

This has nothing to do with the GPU. It’s an intrinsic characteristic of LCD (and OLED) displays that is particularly prominent on the mini 6 due to its display refresh orientation.

Then what makes the Mini 6 the only device to exhibit this issue? I'd still be interested if the same page source was used with the other iPad models when testing.

 

[klasma]

Yesterday I went to a store to test this jello effect for myself on the Mini 6, & honestly it's just as bad as Samsung Tab S5e which is the worst Samsung tablet for this jello effect.

I think the only way to eliminate this effect in the future is to up the refresh rate, even at 120hz on my Tab S7 Plus it's still there, but not to the point where it's a deal breaker.

144hz or even 200hz would totally solve this problem, but we probably a few years away from seeing these kind of refresh rates more so 200hz on a tablet because impact on the battery it would have, some gaming laptop's & monitor's are now hitting over 300hz to eliminate screen tearing when gaming.

Having the refresh direction along the long side rather than the short side (like the previous mini models had) would already solve the problem for most people.

 

[klasma]

Then what makes the Mini 6 the only device to exhibit this issue? I'd still be interested if the same page source was used with the other iPad models when testing.

It’s not the only device. It also happens on the mini 5 and 4 in landscape. It’s just that much more prominent on the mini 6 because there it happens in portrait and its screen is so narrow. The wider the screen, the less visible it becomes.

 

[Jayson A]

It’s not the only device. It also happens on the mini 5 and 4 in landscape. It’s just that much more prominent on the mini 6 because there it happens in portrait and its screen is so narrow. The wider the screen, the less visible it becomes.

Happens on my iPhone mini in landscape mode so it’s not just an iPad thing. Plus, my iPad mini 4 had the same issue. I got used to it.

 

[Nozuka]

It really does make one wonder, as @Rafterman as said, if we have a couple different display manufacturers involved and some of the screens out there are not meeting spec as well as they should be.

and then you read this:

Good demo? He goes so fast, you can't possibly see anything.

and it makes you wonder again

 

[Nozuka]

Happens on my iPhone mini in landscape mode so it’s not just an iPad thing. Plus, my iPad mini 4 had the same issue. I got used to it.

i can directly compare the mini 4 and mini 6 and the 6 is way worse. at least for me it is impossible to get used to.
doesn't help, that i pretty much always use the mini in portrait mode. if someone is mostly a landscape user, he pretty much lucked out.

and just tested it and you are right, the iPhone mini has it too in landscape, but also weaker. but i can't remember ever browsing on it in landscape... (the notch doesn't help make this an attractive thing to do)

 

[teohyc]

Just came back from the Apple store here in Singapore. All iPad mini 6 units on display has the “jelly” scroll.

By the way, the effect is more obvious in real life than what those Youtube videos can accurately show.

 

[dcpmark]

Well, either my Mini 6 doesn’t have it or I can’t see it. I can see the effect in the videos that have been posted, but I’ve tried to replicate it on mine, both in portrait and landscape, and I can’t. I tried scrolling slow, scrolling normal, and scrolling fast…..nothing.

 

[teohyc]

Well, either my Mini 6 doesn’t have it or I can’t see it. I can see the effect in the videos that have been posted, but I’ve tried to replicate it on mine, both in portrait and landscape, and I can’t. I tried scrolling slow, scrolling normal, and scrolling fast…..nothing.

If you can't see it, it either means your unit doesn't have the issue, or it has the issue but you can't see it due to the way you use it. E.g. People can't see the judder with 60hz refresh rate, until they compare it with 120hz side by side.

 

[Andysapple]

Good demo? He goes so fast, you can't possibly see anything.

It’s extremely obvious, but maybe thats the reason you are unable to see it on your iPad

 

[Macintosh101]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1442564758134214660

 

[ofarlig]

Well, either my Mini 6 doesn’t have it or I can’t see it. I can see the effect in the videos that have been posted, but I’ve tried to replicate it on mine, both in portrait and landscape, and I can’t. I tried scrolling slow, scrolling normal, and scrolling fast…..nothing.

It would be physically impossible for your device not to have it it seems, it is there in some capacity on every LCD/OLED. The question is only how prominent it is and in which direction it can be seen. It can be seen even on my gaming monitors if I run the scan skew test and those are as fast updating as they come.

Not everyone will be able to see every thing the same way, I wish I didn’t see this.

 

[Macintosh101]

It would be physically impossible for your device not to have it it seems, it is there in some capacity on every LCD/OLED. The question is only how prominent it is and in which direction it can be seen. It can be seen even on my gaming monitors if I run the scan skew test and those are as fast updating as they come.

Not everyone will be able to see every thing the same way, I wish I didn’t see this.

Me too. What I don‘t get is how this is so prominent on the new Mini. I‘ve had pretty much every iPad since they were released and I’ve never seen it to the degree that it has bothered me in normal use. But on the new Mini it is just glaringly apparent when doing anything in portrait mode and totally ruins the experience for me.

 

[ofarlig]

Me too. What I don‘t get is how this is so prominent on the new Mini. I‘ve had pretty much every iPad since they were released and I’ve never seen it to the degree that it has bothered me in normal use. But on the new Mini it is just glaringly apparent when doing anything in portrait mode and totally ruins the experience for me.

To be honest I think it is partly psychological, if we humans focus on something we amplify the effect on it. We also tend to focus more on negatives than positives.

I kind of decided yesterday to just keep the device, flaws and all since it isn’t going to be my main device and for its purpose the good outweigh the bad for me. And once I tried to stop evaluating the problem every time I was using it I started noticing the problem less.

 

[ExxonVS]

Me too. What I don‘t get is how this is so prominent on the new Mini. I‘ve had pretty much every iPad since they were released and I’ve never seen it to the degree that it has bothered me in normal use. But on the new Mini it is just glaringly apparent when doing anything in portrait mode and totally ruins the experience for me.

Same here. I have a number of iPads, but this effect wasn't this obvious as it is on the new Mini. To be honest, I never saw this on my prev ipads, i'm not sensitive at all of the display issues (pwm etc.), but this ipad mini6 jelly effect is pretty pretty annoying for me, it's huge.

 

[Macintosh101]

Same here. I have a number of iPads, but this effect wasn't this obvious as it is on the new Mini. To be honest, I never saw this on my prev ipads, i'm not sensitive at all of the display issues (pwm etc.), but this ipad mini6 jelly effect is pretty pretty annoying for me, it's huge.

Sums up my experience and feelings exactly.

 

[taneff]

If you can't see it, it either means your unit doesn't have the issue, or it has the issue but you can't see it due to the way you use it. E.g. People can't see the judder with 60hz refresh rate, until they compare it with 120hz side by side.

I think that might be true. Maybe every device has it and people just don't see it. Like some react to PWM on OLED displays and some don't. I think I could somehow replicate it on my Mini 6 when scrolling fast but it was hard to see and I don't bother. I haven't checked back yet and haven't checked my Mini 5 for it because it never bothered me. So I understand everyone returning it because of jelly scrolling but I guess I am lucky not seeing those things. Nowhere. No iPad mini, not on my iPhone 12 Mini etc.

I guess it is like with the yellow display or black OLED problems on iPhone 12 line, some see it, most won't care and don't not what any of us is talking about because they simply don't care. So Apple can get those products out. If everyone would be like us Apple would need to make better quality hardware and better quality control too. But it seems they can get away with almost anything and everything.

 

[Nozuka]

I started the returning process on Sunday and have still not been contacted by any parcel service. (usually TNT here)
Kinda suprising, they are usually very quick. Too many returns pending?

 

[Macintosh101]

Excellent video demonstrating the issue and comparing to other tablets:

 

[Andysapple]

Honestly, the reason I think it's so noticeable on the mini is that the screen in portrait mode Is so slim. It makes the jelly effect so much more prevalent then in landscape since the area in which is the jelly effect occur is wider.

 

[Macintosh101]

Honestly, the reason I think it's so noticeable on the mini is that the screen in portrait mode Is so slim. It makes the jelly effect so much more prevalent then in landscape since the area in which is the jelly effect occur is wider.

Maybe 👍🏼

 

[ScanTheNavian]

Honestly, the reason I think it's so noticeable on the mini is that the screen in portrait mode Is so slim. It makes the jelly effect so much more prevalent then in landscape since the area in which is the jelly effect occur is wider.

I think so too. I saw it on my old iPad 3 in portrait when I checked, but it wasn't as bothersome because of the bigger screen. Also I subconsciously compare the vertical mode to my phone where jelly doesn't exist so it becomess jarring when I go to the Mini 6.

I hope Apple launches the iPad Mini 6P as in Portrait in a near future.

 

[davidako]

Me too. What I don‘t get is how this is so prominent on the new Mini. I‘ve had pretty much every iPad since they were released and I’ve never seen it to the degree that it has bothered me in normal use. But on the new Mini it is just glaringly apparent when doing anything in portrait mode and totally ruins the experience for me.

Apple did everything they could to make it as obvious as possible. Compared to the mini 5 they changed the orientation of the refresh so it would show up in vertical mode and made the screen narrower.

It was such a stupid decision it blows my mind how this got into the final design.

This is what happens when Tim Cook is more concerned with cheaply recycling the designs from other iPads rather than thinking about how the iPad mini is its own device with different use cases.