I returned my Mini and managed to get another unit from somewhere else. Unfortunately the new unit has exactly the same issue, which I expected to be honest but was vaguely hoping otherwise.
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I think the only way it will change in the Mini 6 is if Apple somehow can change the scan rate via an update and we see this large effect in the first place due to a bug, or if they can do some software fix to alleviate the problem slightly (which would most likely sacrifice some of the response time of the display). It will never be perfect but theres at least a chance it can get better.
Even worse… the new unit has a screen defect - its hisses and pops and literally squeaks with even the lightest touch, all across the top half of the device 🤦🏻♂️
Don't understand the outrage directed at the mini 6. I've had 'jelly' on every iPad I have owned - the iPad 3rd gen and 1st generation pro it does it in vertical orientation. the iPad mini and mini 5 does it in horizontal. The'jelly' on my ipad mini 5 in horizontal is every bit as bad as that video of the mini 6 vertically.
It isn't a problem so much as it is a consequence of a LCD panel. Since it looks like they are focusing the mini 6 more on horizontal use (center stage etc) they switched the refresh to be more apparent in vertical.
It isn't a problem so much as it is a consequence of a LCD panel. Since it looks like they are focusing the mini 6 more on horizontal use (center stage etc) they switched the refresh to be more apparent in vertical.
Damn, guess I am not doing that then, thanks for the heads up (that the new one was the same). I'd rather not take a chance when it is perfect otherwise. I will have to decide to live with it or return. Apparently my OCD isn't fully gone because it keeps bothering me a bit
.I clearly see it in every video of people posting showing the phenomenon, but I do not see it live when I’m scrolling. Slow, fast, no matter what the app or website.
The mini is not a laptop replacement so there’s no reason to prioritise horizontal scrolling like you might with an iPad Pro connected to a keyboard.
If you use a mini as a portable document reader then the practical result is that “upgrading” from the 5 to the 6 results in a much worse experience. And all for a record high price.
Apple got lazy and assumed the mini is just a small iPad Air. They didn’t engage their brains. Why show adverts with people holding the mini in one hand when that is the orientation that exposes the massively flawed screen!
They also made the issue worse by saving money on cheaper panels. They made the screen narrower compared to the mini 5 but instead of increasing the resolution to maintain the quality they just reduced the resolution to fit the new ratio.
Yeah, but as I said, every display has some of it, even ultra fast gaming displays, it just how LCD/OLED works with todays technology. So we know there has to be some there, if it is enough for you to see it in real life or not is what we don't know. Different people will notice different levels of the effect, and watchinga video on it is not the same thing as seeing it live.
If you really want to find it, running the display scan skew test can help you in doing so (that's what I had to do). But it is good to know that if you do find it you will most likely be bothered by it.
I don't necessary disagree with your points but there are many people that wanted the mini to be a smaller Air. Apple's use case (see marketing https://www.apple.com/ipad-mini/ ) is that it will be used both ways.
The PPI is unchanged from the ipad mini 5 - the resolution has just been matched to give an equal bezel around the screen. That specific change doesn't make the panel cheaper or inferior to the 5 - most reviews have said that the display is inferior to the iPad air in brightness and contrast. MKBHD's comment that they really need an iPad mini Pro is spot on.
I notice the jelly effect far more on the wider aspect ratio of landscape than when it is across a narrower screen in vertical. The iPad mini 5 in horizontal (scrolling webpages in horizontal) is far more annoying to me than say reading a book in vertical where I can switch it to page swiping instead of scrolling. In my case I'd prefer the 6.
All of these iPads are stopgaps until they can make mini led happen (which may have its own issues or caveats)
Every display has it to varying degree, true. It’s just too obvious on this iPad miniYeah, but as I said, every display has some of it, even ultra fast gaming displays, it just how LCD/OLED works with todays technology. So we know there has to be some there, if it is enough for you to see it in real life or not is what we don't know. Different people will notice different levels of the effect, and watchinga video on it is not the same thing as seeing it live.
If you really want to find it, running the display scan skew test can help you in doing so (that's what I had to do). But it is good to know that if you do find it you will most likely be bothered by it.
They could have made the perfect device if they made a small iPad Pro but they went cheap and made a small iPad Air.
It doesn’t even make financial sense. Every reviewer talks about the price now being too high. But if they had made it a truly premium device then those of us who wants its form factor wouldn’t have cared about the price anyway.
I would pay more for a 8 inch iPad Pro than an 11 inch iPad Pro.
Mine doesn't seem to do it with some apps, at least. I've been testing it Adobe Acrobat and a fairly hi-res pdf. I can scroll at any speed in portrait (and it can get fast with the scroll tab) and there's no tearing I can see.
This is what I use the Mini for mostly. Maye it's app dependent, or whatever.
This is what I use the Mini for mostly. Maye it's app dependent, or whatever.
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Nobody here is disputing that. However, on the mini 6 the issue is much more noticeable then on any other iPad model because (a) the refresh orientation is such that it occurs in portrait orientation (which most mini users primarily use) rather than in landscape orientation and (b) the mini 6 is the narrowest iPad in existence, maximizing the amplitude of the jelly "wave" relative to its wavelength (= screen width).
Hello jimac, Good to know that your unit has no jelly effect. May I know what is your iPad mini's color? Is it space gray?
Yeah I am not saying anything about that, I am just saying that "I am not seeing it" isn't really saying much more than that person cannot see the problem. At this point it is fair to say that all Mini 6 devices will have "jelly scrolling" in portrait.
Can everyone who says they can’t see it post video evidence? Maybe you’re one of the lucky people who can’t percieve it, but the rest of us can verify whether that is legitimately the case or not. Try to scroll at a medium speed on a page full of text (like a wiki page) and film it with your phone, don’t screen record.
Hmm. I tried Adobe Acrobat and the jelly scroll issue persists in that app too. For me it is system wide, on anything in portrait mode.
It's easier to see if you alternate between scrolling up and down because you get twice the effect when you change direction.
Sometimes cameras exaggerate an effect but with jelly scrolling it's far more noticeable in person than on videos. And it's already very noticeable on videos.
That’s true, though most people don’t scroll like that. I do a lot of flick scrolling, so it’s especially noticeable to me. It’s so bad on my mini that I notice it moving as naturally and smoothly as possible 😣.
I feel like if you have to video it in slow motion to see it, it’s really not a problem.
I can see it on mine, but only when I scroll up and down rapidly. I’m never going to actually do that in day to day use. If I’m reading, I’m slowly scrolling as I can and this issue doesn’t present itself.
Exactly. If people had been paying attention they would’ve seen the screen draw happens from top to bottom (or visa versa), depending on the orientation.
I see it a lot on the Mini 6 because I hold it upside down horizontally.
But I can easily see it without slo-mo. In fact, I’d encourage people to not slow down the video evidence but scroll at a natural pace so people can see what it looks like at normal speed.
I can see it on mine in any speed, scrolling at a normal or even slow pace. Ofc, I do a lot of fast scrolling too on some sites/apps. No matter the situation, it’ll bother me. My eyes are probably more sensitive than yours.
I know now that it’s there on all LCD screens, so I can only hope there’s a way to lessen the effect somewhat.
At some point a decision is made of which orientation is prioritized. If they made landscape preferred for the Mini 6, whatever marketing metric they were going by would have made it preferred on a "
mini pro 6".
So it wouldn't have been a perfect device because even with a higher quality screen they would have still chosen to prioritize landscape and thus you would still have the jelly effect on portrait. Maybe the effect will be lessened on a 120hz screen, but it is still there.
I see jelly effect on my iPhone 12 Pro in landscape and that is a pretty high quality OLED.