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iPad mini iPad Mini 6 jelly scrolling
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Almost all browsing and normal reading.
Btw. Mac Tyson, Calm down with the accusations against other users.
How are you reading this forum if you aren’t scrolling? Or news articles? It becomes a lot more taxing when the text is moving up and down when you scroll and switch directions, it got to the point where it made me dizzy after an hour.
Apple is charging 1st world prices. Who wouldn’t expect 1st world performance?
You’re having an absolute laugh. It’s a minor effect while scrolling. It’s not like the device goes blank while scrolling. I cannot believe how big a deal people are making this out to be 😂
This. For me, it’s apparent across the whole system when using in portrait, glaringly apparent, very disorienting to use. I didn‘t go looking for this, it was immediately obvious as soon as I started using it. I love the device otherwise, without this issue it woudl be the perfect portable tablet for me, even if I would like a promotion display.
I only noticed jelly scrolling on my Mini 5 a month or so ago. I got it ~2 weeks after launch and I don't see it every time I use it, so the 6 may be fine for me (I use landscape more than portrait.)
I've been wanting one since the announcement so I won't give up on the device without trying it for myself. Yet to see it in person.
Apple saying it's a non-issue isn't a surprise after the 2nd Gen Pros, where what clearly was an issue in some cases was dismissed. Later units didn't seem to have any kind of silent fix either.
I've been wanting one since the announcement so I won't give up on the device without trying it for myself. Yet to see it in person.
Apple saying it's a non-issue isn't a surprise after the 2nd Gen Pros, where what clearly was an issue in some cases was dismissed. Later units didn't seem to have any kind of silent fix either.
I’ve owned all the iPads since the first. Used them in portait, landscape, and yes this issue has always been there to a degre, but not enough that it ever made me feel dizzy using the device, not enough that it ever took away from the experience of me using the device, not enough that it would make me post dozens of posts about it on forums like this and send emails to tech sites and Apple about it….
So yeah, for some of us it is a really big deal, and for good reason. It’s not “minor” for me in the slightest, if it was I wouldn’t be posting about it, as I’m very aware all devices have their strengths and limitations.
I’m making a conscious effort this morning to use it in portrait and to look out for “jelly scrolling”. If I try hard, I notice it. If I don’t think about it and just focus on the content I’m looking at, it literally doesn’t play into my experience at all.
I think variances in people’s visual perception plays into this a great deal. For me, I’d love to have too have to look for this issue and only then notice it. Unfortunately as soon as I do any scrolling in portrait mode it is immediately apparent. I’m pretty envious of those people who don’t see it as much to be honest!
And conversely, I’m very grateful I can’t seem to see the problem to the same degree as others.
I generally zoom out to 75-85% on most websites with Safari, perhaps that plays into it?
Yeah, different people will have easier or harder to see things like that so it is all subjective wether or not it will bother you. My colleague wouldn’t even be able to see it at all since he cannot see anything on a screen in movement to begin with, showing him something on the screen means having it static until he read it all then move on so he is at the extreme part of the spectrum. I am most likely on the other extreme since I continuously keep moving even while reading (and read multiple lines at the same time), so for me it gets disturbing after a while since it makes me dizzy. Loads of different factors will influence how easily you can notice it and how easily you can disregard it even after you noticed it.
People who are sensitive to it can’t just ignore it. It doesn’t just look bad it causes eye strain and physical discomfort.
The problem for Apple now is this: somewhere along the process of this redesign, someone decided to prioritize landscape mode (for reasons that baffle me).
Someone somewhere then failed communicate this to Marketing or Retail, because:
- When you visit Apple’s splash page for the Mini the first thing you see is the new Mini shown in… portrait.
- When you go to buy the product from anywhere (Amazon, Apple,etc) the device is shown in…portrait.
- When iJustine (Youtuber) interviewed Tim Cook the other day he showed her the new Mini and was holding it in… portrait .
- If you go into a retail store the new Minis are all laid out in…portrait.
Someone somewhere then failed communicate this to Marketing or Retail, because:
- When you visit Apple’s splash page for the Mini the first thing you see is the new Mini shown in… portrait.
- When you go to buy the product from anywhere (Amazon, Apple,etc) the device is shown in…portrait.
- When iJustine (Youtuber) interviewed Tim Cook the other day he showed her the new Mini and was holding it in… portrait .
- If you go into a retail store the new Minis are all laid out in…portrait.
Someone on Ars posted a nice explanation of the issue:
arstechnica.com
So I guess Apple is saying - If you see the jelly scroll, you are using your eyes wrong.
Newest iPad mini has a subtle scrolling problem [Updated]
Apple says the issue is caused by normal LCD screen behavior.
arstechnica.com
So I guess Apple is saying - If you see the jelly scroll, you are using your eyes wrong.
Or that things are designed to suit majorities.Someone on Ars posted a nice explanation of the issue:
Newest iPad mini has a subtle scrolling problem [Updated]
Apple says the issue is caused by normal LCD screen behavior.
So I guess Apple is saying - If you see the jelly scroll, you are using your eyes wrong.
In a car, some people won’t fit within the standard seats/seatbelts. Car manufacturers don’t make all seats huge so that everyone can fit, they make them big enough that the overwhelming majority of people will fit.
It really sucks if you’re part of the minority for which this is a big issue, I do feel for you, but they’re never going to be able to design devices which are perfect for 100% of the population.
Yeah but in this case the mini 5 is perfectly designed for reading in portrait. So imagine the disappointment of being excited for a brand new version of your favourite product but then finding the manufacturer now considered you a disposable minority it didn’t care about any more.
but then Apple need to explain why:
- When you visit Apple’s splash page for the Mini the first thing you see is the new Mini shown in… portrait.
- When you go to buy the product from anywhere (Amazon, Apple,etc) the device is shown in…portrait.
- When iJustine (Youtuber) interviewed Tim Cook the other day he showed her the new Mini and was holding it in… portrait .
- If you go into a retail store the new Minis are all laid out in…portrait.
It is Apple, in their marketing and retail, which tells us portrait mode is designed to be the majority use case here.
You’ve got my point mixed up.
I’m not denying that the marketing makes it look like a portrait device, I’m saying that the majority of people aren’t sensitive to “jelly scrolling”.
If their choice was have the device as it is which is fine for the majority of people, or use a much more expensive screen that is fine for all people, you know which they’re going to pick.
I believe you - it would be regressive for anyone that primary uses portrait (just like it might be an improvement for those of us that work in landscape)
This thread as well as the others here and on AT and Verge have all devolved into the typical "the display sucks-this has never happened on an iPad-Apple sucks-Steve Jobs would never allow this" which is going to illicit the factually accurate response from Apple that this is normal (because it is).
Which is why i posted the videos to show it happens on all of them in one orientation or the other - not to excuse Apple but to say they had to make a choice and for many customers it was the wrong one.
The case that needs to be made to Apple, like you and a few others are doing, are the scenarios of when and why portrait mode is more important on the mini so that can be factored when the decision is made on which orientation is prioritized.
Maybe it forces them to figure out a way in hardware to dynamically change how the refresh happens or increase the rate so it isn't noticeable, or use that all that fancy AI / AR / neural processing to 'fake it straight' in software, either of which would benefit everyone on all devices.
So do I. I often read and scroll at the same time. The mini gives me a headache and makes me a little nauseous. That's my main method of reading forums like this. Read the top of the page, scroll, read down as I'm scrolling, stop when what I'm reading hits the top, repeat. My eyes stay around the top half of the screen the whole time. I guess I've been reading wrong this whole time. <eyeroll>
Also, I can't believe some people are actually telling others that this shouldn't bother them. You're not in my head. You are not me. Stop telling me how I should think or feel.
Agreed. And, as an aside, I wonder if that's related at all to how some movements in VR makes me nauseous.
The animations https://www.apple.com/ipad-mini/ page literally go back and forth between using it in portrait and landscape. One of the most touted features is center stage to center you on the screen in landscape. The speakers are oriented in a way to give stereo playback in landscape. Photo / video editing and games and even productivity apps were are all depicted in landscape on the keynote.
There is no one answer here - majority orientation is going to be dictated solely by the apps the each customer primarily use.
Which is why people need to tell Apple what apps they are using and why portrait is more important to them instead of blanket statements like this display sucks.