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Worth remembering there wasnt much difference between a mini 2/3/4 either.
slight upgrades to processor.

sure it's been three years since last one, but you now get a processor compatible with coming AI and more base memory.

yes, it's still too expensive comapred to the base iPad.
but it is what it is.
you like a smaller device, that's what it costs.

battery life on my 6 isnt what it was. but this 7 isnt going to get me to upgrade. but then do I really need to? the 6 works...
I don’t understand why people always find an excuse for Apple and defend all of apple’s decisions even when it’s at the cost of you. This update is a bare minimum and a total ripoff in today’s offerings. I sometimes wonder how far Apple can push the threshold of their greediness before the defenders start to complain. It looks like Apple could even sell 💩 with an Apple logo on it and people are buying in droves.
 
I don’t understand why people always find an excuse for Apple and defend all of apple’s decisions even when it’s at the cost of you. This update is a bare minimum and a total ripoff in today’s offerings. I sometimes wonder how far Apple can push the threshold of their greediness before the defenders start to complain. It looks like Apple could even sell 💩 with an Apple logo on it and people are buying in droves.
But are people buying this in droves?

It's not an excuse for Apple.
But to say the 7 is so little better than a 6 like that's something new and that Tim is only focused on profit...
That's not been the case before. the 2,3 and 4 were same design and not greatly improved between iterations.

Apple, if they were as evil and greedy as some people like to make out, could easily have released some tiny tweak to the Apple Watch Ultra and pretended it was a 3. Instead they sat the upgrade round out this time.

But then Apple haters wouldnt be able to complain (always odd how many come here to complain - I've not found the need to lurk on WindowsRumors sites and post complaints about miserable profit-driven greedy product releases...)
 
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Wake me up when it gets a new wallpaper.
The recycling made even worse because what you assume is the starlight is now the blue, while starlight is still offered..

My next iPad 😍 The extent of the price bump will depend I suppose on whether it is Pro (Tandem OLED, 120hz, quad speakers) or just a basic OLED panel. I’ll buy whichever, no longer buying Cellular due to the sim tray removal should cancel it out.

60hz has only bothered me since I got a phone with higher, after trying to avoid it to not spoil my iPad experience. 60hz is well past its sell by date at this point, come on Apple. 90hz would do.
 
When are people going to realize the Apple has decided that mini = worse specs? They are never going to make a mini on par with a pro no matter how bad you want it. Would it be amazing to have a mini iPhone or iPad with the same specs and features as the top end? Of course. BUT IT'S NOT HAPPENING - EVER. You have to get that down pat. Apple is never ever EVER going in that direction.

I do so enjoy coming to MR and seeing people complain year after year all the while Apple is making money hand over fist with their watered down entry level products. Apple put out this subpar mini update because that's what the market demands. The longer the mindless drones continue to buy the more Apple is encouraged to keep doing exactly this.

I see the same things on car forums wondering why all the sports cars we used to be able to buy in the 90's and 2000's are gone and why you can't get manuals anymore. Companies have numbers and see trends and they follow the money. You as the consumer have the power to change the outcome.
 
But are people buying this in droves?

It's not an excuse for Apple.
But to say the 7 is so little better than a 6 like that's something new and that Tim is only focused on profit...
That's not been the case before. the 2,3 and 4 were same design and not greatly improved between iterations.

Apple, if they were as evil and greedy as some people like to make out, could easily have released some tiny tweak to the Apple Watch Ultra and pretended it was a 3. Instead they sat the upgrade round out this time.

But then Apple haters wouldnt be able to complain (always odd how many come here to complain - I've not found the need to lurk on WindowsRumors sites and post complaints about miserable profit-driven greedy product releases...)
It’s not the worst iPad mini release by a long chalk, and had I been able to trade in like for like as some users here have done to get a fresh battery, more RAM and more storage for a few hundred I probably would have done. I can’t, so I as a cellular user will do what I can to signal that eSim just isn’t good enough in this part of the world and not buy it. If they notice people aren’t buying Cellular any more in certain markets, they might realise that at least in those, removing the sim tray is costing more than it ever saves.

The worst mini releases were the 3 (Face ID and a new colour were all it offered), the OG (Retina was on everything else bar Macs) and the 4: only a one generation chip jump after waiting 2 years (assuming that most would have been waiting for a worthy upgrade from the 2.)

The 5 and 6 both had the then latest A chip, which makes the lack of a A18 Pro contribute to the ‘lazy update’ feeling. And as soon as the base iPad has A16, it will look even worse (so hopefully the Mini 8 won’t be as far away as we think.) If anything, not giving the 6th Gen 6GB RAM was the biggest stinge - the Air had already had 4GB for a year and they must have known that it was about to get 8. Time will tell whether the A17 Pro does cost sales, but at least users know exactly what the drawback is this time rather than finding out the true extent of it in 6 months time.
 
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I hope Apple will notice when people are not attempting to buy. The internet is all over this lazy update:

FALSE! This is the BEST, MOST POWERFUL iPad mini that Apple has ever released! It is the FIRST iPad mini built FOR Apple Intelligence! And, the iPad mini now supports all the features of the best-in-class Apple Pencil. It is truly SINGLE-HANDEDLY AWESOME!!!
 
When are people going to realize the Apple has decided that mini = worse specs? They are never going to make a mini on par with a pro no matter how bad you want it. Would it be amazing to have a mini iPhone or iPad with the same specs and features as the top end? Of course. BUT IT'S NOT HAPPENING - EVER. You have to get that down pat. Apple is never ever EVER going in that direction.

Can we just have a Mini that doesn't have garbage specs?
The screen in particular?

There isn't a worse screen in a new product that Apple sells
It's honestly embarrassingly low quality
 
Apple is perpetually in the NEXT YEAR memes

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It’s not the worst iPad mini release by a long chalk, and had I been able to trade in like for like as some users here have done to get a fresh battery, more RAM and more storage for a few hundred I probably would have done. I can’t, so I as a cellular user will do what I can to signal that eSim just isn’t good enough in this part of the world and not buy it. If they notice people aren’t buying Cellular any more in certain markets, they might realise that at least in those, removing the sim tray is costing more than it ever saves.

The worst mini releases were the 3 (Face ID and a new colour were all it offered), the OG (Retina was on everything else bar Macs) and the 4: only a one generation chip jump after waiting 2 years (assuming that most would have been waiting for a worthy upgrade from the 2.)

The 5 and 6 both had the then latest A chip, which makes the lack of a A18 Pro contribute to the ‘lazy update’ feeling. And as soon as the base iPad has A16, it will look even worse (so hopefully the Mini 8 won’t be as far away as we think.) If anything, not giving the 6th Gen 6GB RAM was the biggest stinge - the Air had already had 4GB for a year and they must have known that it was about to get 8. Time will tell whether the A17 Pro does cost sales, but at least users know exactly what the drawback is this time rather than finding out the true extent of it in 6 months time.
great to see someone detail their reasoning.

i agree it was a lazy update... there were more things they could have done.
but as always, they seem to weigh up and balance how much vs how little, and maybe they didnt get it right.

i couldnt understand why the 6 didnt get an M chip instead of an A chip. seems they think the mini will have A chips (maybe smaller size and thermo limits?)

memory on all Apple devices still attracts a premium price jump.
it's their cream on top it seems.
with faster wifi and 5G, cloud storage is probably better than buy in device memory for many.
except those who like to carry everything with them for instant access.

this does mostly feel like update the aging mini so it can do AI (soon) and the 8 will get a bigger upgrade.
 
Just realised I wrote Face ID there instead of Touch ID.

I for one hope that the Mini keeps Touch ID - it would be logical as is it being the one iPad in the line up to keep the portrait front camera - it's small enough that accessing the sensor isn't a faff as it is with the larger sizes. Keeps the price down as I don't think an £899 Mini would sell too well.

I have both Touch and Face ID on my phone and the latter is largely useless.
 
Can we just have a Mini that doesn't have garbage specs?
The screen in particular?

There isn't a worse screen in a new product that Apple sells
It's honestly embarrassingly low quality

From the above comments, it looks like you purchased one. What do you not like about yours - be precise.

I've had my Mini 7 for 3 days now. Beautiful screen, no so-called jelly scroll. Text is sharper, contrast is better than my Mini 5. Twice the ram and storage. Faster. Much better sound. Transferring data/photos from my Mini 5 was smooth and quick. Pencil Pro works great.

A real pleasure to use.
 
From the above comments, it looks like you purchased one. What do you not like about yours - be precise.

I've had my Mini 7 for 3 days now. Beautiful screen, no so-called jelly scroll. Text is sharper, contrast is better than my Mini 5. Twice the ram and storage. Faster. Much better sound. Transferring data/photos from my Mini 5 was smooth and quick. Pencil Pro works great.

A real pleasure to use.

Glad to hear you like it!
Enjoy, by all means!
 
Just realised I wrote Face ID there instead of Touch ID.

I for one hope that the Mini keeps Touch ID - it would be logical as is it being the one iPad in the line up to keep the portrait front camera - it's small enough that accessing the sensor isn't a faff as it is with the larger sizes. Keeps the price down as I don't think an £899 Mini would sell too well.

I have both Touch and Face ID on my phone and the latter is largely useless.
I’m the opposite. For whatever reason, every Touch ID device I use, the sensor stops recognizing my print after a few weeks. This happened on every iPhone and iPad, along with my current MacBook.

It works wonderfully for those couple weeks, then it just doesn’t. So, I just rely on my Apple Watch for authentication on my Mac now. I figured it’s a me problem, I just have no idea what I can do to fix it. Face ID works 100% all the time.
 
I’m the opposite. For whatever reason, every Touch ID device I use, the sensor stops recognizing my print after a few weeks. This happened on every iPhone and iPad, along with my current MacBook.

It works wonderfully for those couple weeks, then it just doesn’t. So, I just rely on my Apple Watch for authentication on my Mac now. I figured it’s a me problem, I just have no idea what I can do to fix it. Face ID works 100% all the time.
I've had similar issues on my Mini. I worked with my hands and my fingertips would get rough sometimes. I found that if I breathed on my fingers (to get them slightly moist) Touch ID would work much more reliably. Face ID works much better for me.
 
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