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sparksd

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I've just upgraded from a Gen 2 12.9" to this M1 and it's fabulous, much faster than my old iPad with ProCreate and LumaFusion. Trouble is, now I know I have all this power, I want to do more with it. I use Sketchup, Rhino, Revit, Microstation at work and I'd love to do something similar with the iPad. I already have Sketchup Viewer on the iPad and God knows, it's not a complicated program, would it be so difficult to build it out fully for iPad OS?

It comes down to return on investment by the developer - is it financially worth it to extend the functionality on the iPad? Will they make back the development and maintenance costs and make a profit? Given the demand for low cost by users on iPad apps coupled with Apple's tax, that can be a hard argument at times.
 

sracer

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For all the limitations of the Apple app store, I have to admit that I do like that keeping it closed keeps a lot of the crap off your phone. While they don't catch all of it, spyware and such is imited when you have someone watching out for it before you infect your device.
I agree. I like not having to think about the apps I install in my iPad Mini.
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PinkyMacGodess

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Apple will have to retaliate now by opening up iOS even more over time. Make no mistake, the Surface + Windows 11 is currently a real iPad killer. And it's only going to improve as Windows 11 officially launches, as the SQ3 chip is released in the Surface lineup this year, and as Android support is added to W11.

No, unless they want to be 'just as bad as the Surface'.

Apple doesn't have to do anything even remotely like that. 'Opening' up their ecosystem would be a disaster for sales, but don't assume that people will come crawling on their knees to Redmond to take their money. If Apple has to jump int he same cesspool that Microsoft is wallowing in, more people will decide that having a tablet just isn't worth it. Eventually, the industry would see a down turn, and consumers will avoid the whole judicially created hot mess by corporations that can't compete... There are no hard set rules, regulations, or laws, regarding what a company can do with unsuspecting customer's data. Without any barriers, their customers unwittingly (in most cases) have become the product.

'Hey, buy a cheap TV! Isn't it glorious?' Oh, it logs what you watch, what you say, what commercials you mute, how much of the day you watch whatever you watch. That data is worth, collectively, millions, and it's an invasion of privacy. If your neighbor was doing this, they would be arrested. Corporate America, and, well, just about every nation, can observe us all day long, and no one seems to care... (Until it's looking at specific politicians, lawyers, judges, self-important 'stars', etc...

If the Surface is 'the future of tablets', (seriously?), I don't think it will be 'the' product some think it will be, and if the iPad fails, so will that market fizzle as civilians don't buy that device...
 
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eltoslightfoot

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No, unless they want to be 'just as bad as the Surface'.

Apple doesn't have to do anything even remotely like that. 'Opening' up their ecosystem would be a disaster for sales, but don't assume that people will come crawling on their knees to Redmond to take their money. If Apple has to jump int he same cesspool that Microsoft is wallowing in, more people will decide that having a tablet just isn't worth it. Eventually, the industry would see a down turn, and consumers will avoid the whole judicially created hot mess by corporations that can't compete... There are no hard set rules, regulations, or laws, regarding what a company can do with unsuspecting customer's data. Without any barriers, their customers unwittingly (in most cases) have become the product.

'Hey, buy a cheap TV! Isn't it glorious?' Oh, it logs what you watch, what you say, what commercials you mute, how much of the day you watch whatever you watch. That data is worth, collectively, millions, and it's an invasion of privacy. If your neighbor was doing this, they would be arrested. Corporate America, and, well, just about every nation, can observe us all day long, and no one seems to care... (Until it's looking at specific politicians, lawyers, judges, self-important 'stars', etc...

If the Surface is 'the future of tablets', (seriously?), I don't think it will be 'the' product some think it will be, and if the iPad fails, so will that market fizzle as civilians don't buy that device...
This is an extremely underrated point.
 

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The openness is part of the reason why Windows and Android are such dumpster fires in terms of user experience. Apps stealing your data, apps snooping on other apps, apps running in the background killing battery, apps which are poorly designed and hard to use, apps which are poorly coded with choppy performance, etc. etc.

I'd much rather have a company like Apple who are obsessive about user experience keep it closed and give me products which are a joy to use.
 
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sparksd

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Maybe they can't due to antitrust when two goliaths join. It should be a selectable choice though like search engines.

Given that the aab format has been out a couple of years, this wouldn't have caught MS by surprise.

Good discussion on it here -

 
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darngooddesign

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Maybe they can't due to antitrust when two goliaths join. It should be a selectable choice though like search engines.
Google telling Msoft ahead of time that they are changing the app bundle format isn't different from Apple telling its developers they are changing from 32 bit to 64bit or Intel to ARM.
 

JCCL

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I have full blown OS running on my iPad Pro, right now. No windows required, just streaming natively from my mac mini. If you need more from your iPad than iPadOS can offer, either buy a MacBook, or a Mac mini and share your desktop. People need to stop bitching about iPads so much, either use something else, or find a solution to use it how you’d like. There are simple solutions for almost all the “wishes” i hear about what an iPad should be able to do.
Problem is. Hardware wise and price wise, the iPad should be able to do a lot more. It has the same damn CPU as the damn Mac mini you’re referencing. You can stick a keyboard and a mouse in it. Why cripple the iPad with a phone OS?

Sure your argument might apply to iPad Air and below, but not a to a device marketed as “Pro” with similar specs as their Laptops.
 
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cupcakes2000

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The “Spotlight” in iOS doesn’t function the same way it does in MacOS. The structure of the filesystem is completely different, by design.

Try this, search for “Times Roman”. Nothing will come up, even though obviously the font exists on the iPad.
I put my files on the iPad. When I search them I find them.

I can’t think of a time when I would need to search ‘Times Roman’ from anywhere, let alone spotlight. What would you do with it when you found it?
i do have a whole book of fonts I hold in Fontinator, all of which are available when I need them in the apps I use them in.

My uses are different to yours, obviously, but for me the limits of the iPad are not in these places.

coupled with Apple's tax
You mean the cost of being in the AppStore? It’s not a ‘tax’, although that’s a common statement here. It costs to do business.
I pay 30% commission on plenty of the ‘marketplaces’ I use (not apps or even similar, but places where clients can find me - so essentially the same thing).
It’s a cost of being there- not a tax. A tax implies a percentage of your profits taken. If you don’t have the acumen to adjust your prices to offset the cost of running your business then maybe there are other issues at play.
 
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thejadedmonkey

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'Hey, buy a cheap TV! Isn't it glorious?' Oh, it logs what you watch, what you say, what commercials you mute, how much of the day you watch whatever you watch. That data is worth, collectively, millions, and it's an invasion of privacy. If your neighbor was doing this, they would be arrested. Corporate America, and, well, just about every nation, can observe us all day long, and no one seems to care... (Until it's looking at specific politicians, lawyers, judges, self-important 'stars', etc...
Heh, I have an "expensive" TV, and it does that too. Heck, I can't even use my TV's remote app on my phone without granting it photo permissions and precise location permissions, otherwise the app crashes at launch.
 
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sparksd

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I put my files on the iPad. When I search them I find them.

I can’t think of a time when I would need to search ‘Times Roman’ from anywhere, let alone spotlight. What would you do with it when you found it?
i do have a whole book of fonts I hold in Fontinator, all of which are available when I need them in the apps I use them in.

My uses are different to yours, obviously, but for me the limits of the iPad are not in these places.


You mean the cost of being in the AppStore? It’s not a ‘tax’, although that’s a common statement here. It costs to do business.
I pay 30% commission on plenty of the ‘marketplaces’ I use (not apps or even similar, but places where clients can find me - so essentially the same thing).
It’s a cost of being there- not a tax. A tax implies a percentage of your profits taken. If you don’t have the acumen to adjust your prices to offset the cost of running your business then maybe there are other issues at play.

Agree on the nomenclature, my point just being that it needed to be taken into account by the developer when looking at the ROI for app development/enhancement. It's a business cost that needs to covered.
 

cupcakes2000

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Agree on the nomenclature, my point just being that it needed to be taken into account by the developer when looking at the ROI for app development/enhancement. It's a business cost that needs to covered.
Yes, actually I knew your intent, I didn’t mean to direct it to you personally. Just a comment on the idea in general and only quoted you becuase you mentioned it.
It’s just one of those annoying ‘Apple specific’ complaints people accuse them of, that in fact every company on earth does.
 
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Macalway

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I see no essential limitations gong from MacOS. Combined with the AMK, my iPad is more user friendly. Ironically, keyboard support is more comprehensive. Very easy to use, and that’s the whole point.

The question is why Apple doesn’t fix MacOS to be more like iPadOS. We need to be able to run PadOS on our laptops. All that power wasted with MacOS.

Btw, Windows will save us? We do need saving. Save us.
 

Digitalguy

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Mira not a threat it’s a knee jerk reactions slowly catching up.

once Qualcomm launches their Arm chip form lessons of SQ1 & 2 - it will not be in SQ3, their chip that the new CEO Amon is planning is for end of this year early next year and it’ll not be limited to Surface products. So I think Microsoft thats to be much more worried as part for part Asia’ surface copycat is a much better built machine with better hardware at a significantly cheaper price; model escapes me atm. It’s had TB3 for 2-3yrs now but the Surface is still playing about with Mini Display port?!??
I am not sure I understand everything, however:
1. SQ3 is pure speculation with no rumors, and any date or features is pure guessing.
2. Qualcomm chip that is supposed to be competitive with Apple Silicon won't be ready before the end of NEXT year.
3. It's reasonable to assume that there will be no other flagship Qualcomm Windows on Arm chip before then (and so no SQ3 either until then).
4. Microsoft has moved everything to USB C, no more Mini Display, but no TB3 either
5. Clones of Surface pro have been existing and competing with it for years (some are even better, but the good ones are no cheaper, often more expensive)
6. Surface pro is basically the only cloned member of the Surface line
 
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Flabasha

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I put my files on the iPad. When I search them I find them.

I can’t think of a time when I would need to search ‘Times Roman’ from anywhere, let alone spotlight. What would you do with it when you found it?
i do have a whole book of fonts I hold in Fontinator, all of which are available when I need them in the apps I use them in.

My uses are different to yours, obviously, but for me the limits of the iPad are not in these places.


You mean the cost of being in the AppStore? It’s not a ‘tax’, although that’s a common statement here. It costs to do business.
I pay 30% commission on plenty of the ‘marketplaces’ I use (not apps or even similar, but places where clients can find me - so essentially the same thing).
It’s a cost of being there- not a tax. A tax implies a percentage of your profits taken. If you don’t have the acumen to adjust your prices to offset the cost of running your business then maybe there are other issues at play.
You’re talking about buggy workarounds for a Finder. My Clip Studio files have a .clip extension. Open “Files”, type “.clip” in the search bar. Nothing. Navigate to my iCloud manually inside “Files”… stare at the dozens of “.clip” files there. Again, type “.clip” in the search bar, select “iCloud”… nothing.

Yep, the Files app can’t find documents I’m literally LOOKING AT IN THE FILES APP.

“Pro”.
 
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cupcakes2000

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You’re talking about buggy workarounds for a Finder. My Clip Studio files have a .clip extension. Open “Files”, type “.clip” in the search bar. Nothing. Navigate to my iCloud manually inside “Files”… stare at the dozens of “.clip” files there. Again, type “.clip” in the search bar, select “iCloud”… nothing.

Yep, the Files app can’t find documents I’m literally LOOKING AT IN THE FILES APP.

“Pro”.
Actually I’m talking about stuff that works for me. Again, (and again and again and again), if stuff doesn’t work for you, and you can’t find ‘the iPad’ way of working to fit into your workflow, then you’re out of luck for the mo. *Everything* has it’s limitations. For me, the iPad surpasses many of a traditional computers limitations. So much so that I’m willing to bend. I hope things change and some stuff gets expanded, but for the time being I’m ok. If I search a file name, I get the file. To be honest- that’s all I need. As I said, there are silly little quirks that annoy me, but those you initially describe are not among them.
Putting pro in quotes sarcastically at the end of your post does nothing to change anything here. I can use the iPad professionally, you cant. It’s pretty simple. Buy something that fits your needs, or use the iPad how it’s designed to be used or find a workaround.

Your problems are not my problem!
 
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