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rui no onna

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You’re talking about buggy workarounds for a Finder. My Clip Studio files have a .clip extension. Open “Files”, type “.clip” in the search bar. Nothing. Navigate to my iCloud manually inside “Files”… stare at the dozens of “.clip” files there. Again, type “.clip” in the search bar, select “iCloud”… nothing.

Yep, the Files app can’t find documents I’m literally LOOKING AT IN THE FILES APP.

“Pro”.

Search for "clip" without the dot.

I've searched for "epub" and that gives me a link to a file type search that shows all my ebooks stored in iCloud. With that said, I almost never search for file type. Without regex/wild card support, a file type search with thousands of results is pretty useless for me. It's normally the filename I need to search for.
 

Flabasha

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Search for "clip" without the dot.

I've searched for "epub" and that gives me a link to a file type search that shows all my ebooks stored in iCloud. With that said, I almost never search for file type. Without regex/wild card support, a file type search with thousands of results is pretty useless for me. It's normally the filename I need to search for.
Yep, nothing. The files literally disappear AS I type in their suffix. ?
 

Flabasha

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Actually I’m talking about stuff that works for me. Again, (and again and again and again), if stuff doesn’t work for you, and you can’t find ‘the iPad’ way of working to fit into your workflow, then you’re out of luck for the mo. *Everything* has it’s limitations. For me, the iPad surpasses many of a traditional computers limitations. So much so that I’m willing to bend. I hope things change and some stuff gets expanded, but for the time being I’m ok. If I search a file name, I get the file. To be honest- that’s all I need. As I said, there are silly little quirks that annoy me, but those you initially describe are not among them.
Putting pro in quotes sarcastically at the end of your post does nothing to change anything here. I can use the iPad professionally, you cant. It’s pretty simple. Buy something that fits your needs, or use the iPad how it’s designed to be used or find a workaround.

Your problems are not my problem!
I did. Read the thread.
 

stereonight

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Yep, nothing. The files literally disappear AS I type in their suffix. ?
Seems like iPadOS15 got this covered.

Yep, have Affinity Photo, and you’re right, it’s the only game in town for an iOS Photoshop. Actual iOS Photoshop, as you know, is an utter joke. Adobe’s following in Apple’s footsteps, completely gimping their iOS software to make users upgrade to Creative Cloud. However, as one who is given a Creative Cloud license by my work, Affinity Photo on the iPad just isn’t as robust as actual Photoshop, running on my Windows tablet. But it’s still an awesome iOS app, a must-buy, really.

Yeah, iOS prompts me to choose which “sandbox” to transfer my files to, but half the time that process fails. I’ll send a PNG from my Mac, tell it to open in Procreate, and it never makes it there. Or, I’ll get that PNG into a different sandbox, say, Affinity Photo, then try to get it over to Procreate… but Procreate doesn’t “see” into Affinity’s sandbox. Etc., etc, etc…

I’ve sent many files over to my iPad, to different apps, never to see the file again. There’s no system-wide search, so I’d have to drill down into the sandbox file structure of each of my 30 apps, just to find out where iOS put it. Not worth it. For me, MacOS is fantastic, but iPadOS is hot garbage.

Curious about you having problem with moving PNG from mac to ipad. Doesn't the ipad automatically saves and opens the photos app? From there I go to Procreate/Affinity and insert from photos. Or even better, copy the PNG from the mac, and paste directly into the ipad apps with universal clipboard?

For other types of file you can actually save it to the "files" app first, and open the file from there so that it's more organized. Or maybe save the files in icloud using the mac and that project folder is always available to both???

Yes there is a limitation of how powerfull could apps be compared to desktop OS. Using Windows tablet does cut the hassle of moving between desktop and tablet, but the trouble you have is something that shouldn't happen. File management, especially if you have a mac shouldn't be a problem imo
 

kc9hzn

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Short answer: app storage sandboxing.

I'm perhaps the most vocal proponent of "think different" here on MR. But even with that, there are limitations and deficiencies with the current approach to filesystem access on iOS/iPad OS that will make certain workflows more convoluted than on other OSes.
I’m not entirely clear what you mean by app storage sandboxing. It used to be that Pages documents had to be in a special pages folder on iCloud Drive, for instance, but iCloud Drive doesn’t enforce that anymore. You can totally keep most if not all of your documents in a directory tree under Documents, if you want a file system mirrored across iOS and Mac.

Yes, there are limitations to what you can do with a document in another app’s sandbox, but iCloud Drive is conceptually outside of the sandbox, and a document in it should be accessible to any document that supports importing from iCloud. It’s pretty much a full fledged file system these days.
 

pdoherty

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Surface pro X is no competition to iPad pro.
1. The battery life of the cheaper Sq1 is terrible, and only the $1500 Sq2 (without keyboard or pen), which has a bigger battery, is closer to iPad battery life (but the performance barely improves)

The Surface Pro X page says up to 15 hours.

 
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sracer

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I’m not entirely clear what you mean by app storage sandboxing. It used to be that Pages documents had to be in a special pages folder on iCloud Drive, for instance, but iCloud Drive doesn’t enforce that anymore. You can totally keep most if not all of your documents in a directory tree under Documents, if you want a file system mirrored across iOS and Mac.

Yes, there are limitations to what you can do with a document in another app’s sandbox, but iCloud Drive is conceptually outside of the sandbox, and a document in it should be accessible to any document that supports importing from iCloud. It’s pretty much a full fledged file system these days.
When talking about the file system, I'm referring to the local file system, not an external solution that acts as a bridge. The Files.app and iCloud Drive are workarounds to get past sandboxing. If that works for you, terrific, but that introduces a level of indirection that wouldn't be needed without the restrictions of sandboxing.
 
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pdoherty

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The sad thing is the CPUs on iPads mostly sit around doing absolutely nothing relative to their abilities until the device's battery is consumed or it stops getting updates or the low amount of RAM catches up and it's thrown away or whatever happens to it. There is no software on iPadOS that actually stretches its legs, and Apple doesn't seem to be bothered with that fact.

It's a relatively new problem in computing - historically, the software has been capable of much more than the hardware and it takes a few years for the hardware to catch up.

Games like Divinity Original Sin 2 seem to be using the hardware quite a lot. I’m sure more such AAA games are coming and will also.
 

cupcakes2000

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When talking about the file system, I'm referring to the local file system, not an external solution that acts as a bridge. The Files.app and iCloud Drive are workarounds to get past sandboxing. If that works for you, terrific, but that introduces a level of indirection that wouldn't be needed without the restrictions of sandboxing.
They are not workarounds. They are how the iPad works. It just doesn’t work like a traditional os.
Sometimes people can’t see the wood through the trees.
 

Ludatyk

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I don't see Microsoft as being the salvation of iPadOS.
If anything, I think the OP is referring to legitimate competition in the tablet realm. I briefly played around with Windows 11 and I like the direction Microsoft is going.

They are hoping to remove the barrier between a tablet or laptop in terms of navigating around the OS. There’s no tablet mode anymore… Windows 11 is all that the user has.
 

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If anything, I think the OP is referring to legitimate competition in the tablet realm. I briefly played around with Windows 11 and I like the direction Microsoft is going.

They are hoping to remove the barrier between a tablet or laptop in terms of navigating around the OS. There’s no tablet mode anymore… Windows 11 is all that the user has.
I got that aspect. From what I can see on here, many people are wanting if not expecting Apple to put MacOS on the iPad, even though Apple has stated they have no plans to do that. As such, looking at what Microsoft in what they are doing in the tablet realm is not really practical, unless Apple does an about face, in my opinion.
 

pdoherty

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I got that aspect. From what I can see on here, many people are wanting if not expecting Apple to put MacOS on the iPad, even though Apple has stated they have no plans to do that. As such, looking at what Microsoft in what they are doing in the tablet realm is not really practical, unless Apple does an about face, in my opinion.
I don’t think anyone cares if “Mac OS” is ported to it or not - we just want tasks to be easily accomplished and for the OS to not get in the way of things.
 

cupcakes2000

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I don’t think anyone cares if “Mac OS” is ported to it or not - we just want tasks to be easily accomplished and for the OS to not get in the way of things.
I don’t think you have been reading much then. There are countless threads claiming the ‘need’ for macos on the iPad.
The rest of the people into that kind of stuff would prefer more features from macos to be added to iPados. Others are happy with how it is, whilst acknowledging it will keep getting better over time.

Still, way more than these tiny groups likely don’t even use the files app, or know, or care what it is - it’s not necessary for most of the iPads basic functionality, so I’m not sure of who the ‘we’ in your post is referring.
 

kc9hzn

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When talking about the file system, I'm referring to the local file system, not an external solution that acts as a bridge. The Files.app and iCloud Drive are workarounds to get past sandboxing. If that works for you, terrific, but that introduces a level of indirection that wouldn't be needed without the restrictions of sandboxing.
My point is that it’s a layer of indirection that’s largely invisible to both the user and the app these days. It doesn’t really matter if you don’t have access to /usr/bin or to /var or if the file tree starts in a directory called iCloud Drive instead of C:\, Macintosh HD, or the desktop (which it kinda did in Mac OS Classic). And sandboxing offers a great deal of protection to the user, too, it’s not all downside. A rogue application can’t access your crypto wallet, for instance, if the crypto wallet is in your application’s sandbox. It’s also a critical aspect to enforcing the permissions API, an app has to ask permission instead of being able to surreptitiously access contacts, photos, etc. through the file system. (Which is probably why it took Google so long to introduce a similar approach to permissions on Android, since apps expected to have free access to the file system.)

In earlier versions of iOS, there was a real cost (in terms of the user experience, app interoperability) to sandboxing that just doesn’t exist anymore. And, indeed, sandboxing allows for a more logically oriented user-facing virtual file tree layout than the actual file system, no need to be confused by things like the AppData folder in Windows, /etc, /opt, /var, /dev in Unix-like OSes (including iOS’s native file system). And it’s better than just hiding those folders and otherwise keeping the file system intact, since the hierarchy can better reflect how the user interacts with the system. I’d say that, for most user tasks on iOS, there isn’t really a cost in terms of sandboxing and plenty of upside, at least in modern releases of iOS. Hiding implementation from interface allows changing out one implementation for another and is generally regarded as a best practice in software development. In terms of user interfaces, failure to do so can even result in fragile user interfaces that break with the slightest backend change.

It’s a lot like computerized transmission on newer cars over traditional manual, it’ll definitely outperform your manual input, but it gives a wholly subjective feeling of lack of control if you happen to be used to the sensation of driving manual. It doesn’t have the same feel of responsiveness, sure, but you don’t really need that if your goal is to get from A to B. And, if your goal is to feel conceptually like the machine is an extension of you, that you have direct control, buy a car with a traditional manual transmission. Likewise, if you want that sense of “I have total control of the underlying system”, you should really be using a desktop computer (or maybe a Surface Pro for Windows or Raspberry Pi for Linux) and something like Arch Linux, anyway. An iPad would be the wrong device for you.

Fundamentally, an iPad running macOS would cease to be an iPad. It would be a macPad, even if they called it an iPad. I’d imagine that, circa 2008, Apple likely did have a netbook project that didn’t get very far into the development process. It might have resulted in the OG MacBook Air. I imagine they found that shoehorning macOS into a sub-11” display compromised the user experience dramatically. And Apple won’t change the software that runs the iPad Pro without also changing the software that runs the iPad mini, so an Apple tablet natively running macOS likely wouldn’t be an iPad. (Hint, it would be Macintosh branded, all of Apple’s Intel Macs, except for the XServe, have had Macintosh branding. The only “Macs” never to have Macintosh branding are the PPC and Intel XServe, the 68k and PPC PowerBooks, and the PPC iBooks.) Even if it were branded as an iPad, on some level, it wouldn’t be (especially if the iPad mini continues on with the iPadOS).
 
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Digitalguy

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The Surface Pro X page says up to 15 hours.

First Microsoft is not Apple, so when they give you estimated battery life, divide that by 2.
Second, this is for the SQ2, with a bigger battery, which has roughly 8 hours real, the SQ1 is estimated at 13 hours and gets 6-7 hours at best.
In the linked page the give the Sq2 estimation for both, by saying "up to". Smart, it's pretty misleading but not false. It's like saying that the battery life of the M1 Macbook pro / Macbook air is up to 20 hours....
 

GDF

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I purchased a SPX SQ2 16gb Ram and 512go HD from BestBuy Open box for 1/2 off. Figured at that price would try it again. I really want to like it. It feels thinner/lighter than my 2021 iPad 12.9 with or without keyboards. I really like the stand too and wish Apple would copy that. Installed Windows 11 on it, as was hearing how it really improves the experience.

Unfortunately, that is where the positives end, as the SPX is still not even close to the 2021 iPad. Screen is not as bright or clear, Win 11 still no match for iOS15, as it still is very clumsy and slow, SPX feels slow and this is the maxed out SPX. The magic keyboard is way better than the SPX keyboard. SPX keyboard feels antiquated and too big, although magic keyboard is still to heavy. Also, it is not as easy to activate cellular on SPX, as not as many choices for eSim.

Too bad, as I would like to keep it and use both, as at times do need to use Windows, but it is so rare. Still love the looks of the SPX, kickstand and how light it feels without the keyboard, but after that the love affair starts ending. Will give the SPX another couple more days, but most likely returning it.
 
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grandM

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I love iPad and use it every day, and have done so since launch day with the iPad 1. I use it as a computer replacement for most of my non-work stuff. I also own a Surface Pro X. I installed Windows 11 on the Surface Pro X.

Microsoft has made the entire user interface touch friendly, with a vastly improved touch typing experience as well as swipe gestures. And I'm honestly surprised at how bug free it is. I always think of iOS as something that "just works", and I love that reliability on my phone, and it's more or less there too on the iPad, but W11 surprisingly is also very bug free-- especially for a beta.

I honestly never thought I'd see the day where Microsoft beat Apple at making their flagship operating system touch friendly. But as it stands the Surface + Windows 11 looks like an iPad killer to me. IMO, The iPad has historically been so good that it hasn't really had competition. I think this is about to change and it's going to be really good because Apple will be forced to up their game and give us real functionality in iPadOS!

The iPad with its beautiful hardware is stuck in almost a prison with a painfully crippled operating system. You can have your M1 but can't even do basic things like easily sign PDFs or navigate the file system properly. In contrast, my entire windows and linux development environment runs flawlessly on the Surface Pro X. It's capable of running Windows software, Linux software through WSL (CLI + GUI) and x86 and amd64 software via emulation. And soon Android app support. All with a touch friendly interface. It puts the ipad to shame. iPad may have mind blowing faster hardware, but it doesn't matter at all because you just can't do very much with it compared to the Surface.

With Windows 11, Microsoft is taking on both Apple (the iPad) and Google (with Android support).

Apple will have to retaliate now by opening up iOS even more over time. Make no mistake, the Surface + Windows 11 is currently a real iPad killer. And it's only going to improve as Windows 11 officially launches, as the SQ3 chip is released in the Surface lineup this year, and as Android support is added to W11.

As this ^ unfolds people are going to pay attention and Apple is going to lose market share to the Surface. They will have to throw us some meat to make us happy and compete. I'm very excited!
What's the Surface's battery life?
 

grandM

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I have to disagree on almost everything.

First of all, I highly doubt about W11 being a touch-friendly OS, basically because I heard the same about W10 and it’s almost impossible to make a good touch interface on the foundation of a mouse based UI. You still have resizable windows (which many people here like, but are horrible for a tablet), small controls, etc. I give the benefit of the doubt, but I’ve seen this movie before and I have already seen W11 videos.

And Android support won’t solve anything. You’re saying that iPad apps aren’t powerful and expect Android apps to solve it? Which aren’t even designed for tablets? That’s even worse than Apple putting iPad apps on the Mac.

Apple got clear from the beginning that if you want a tablet to be an alternative to the traditional computer, you have to offer something different, better in some aspects. It needs a reason to exist. In case of the iPad, that’s a lightweight device with direct input, no default orientation, without legacy stuff like ports, complex file system, security issues, infinite viewports to adapt, etc. I honestly think it’s impossible to turn Windows (or Mac) into that, no matter how hard you try.

Of course it’s more difficult to port some apps with that approach (like FCP, Logic or Xcode), but it’s the right way. Because, if not, you end up just having a traditional computer, that’s how almost everyone uses a Surface. Maybe it’s not even possible/not optimal to find a solution for those apps (if you have to turn it into a traditional computer in order to have them, what’s the point?), but we already have a lot of new pro uses outside of the usual suspects (development, video editing, etc.) that are only possible/better on the iPad and take 100% advantage of its power: AR, graphic design, monitoring…

TLDR people forget too quickly, we already had that debate 10 years ago and the iPad concept won. If the iPad is going to be a boring and difficult to use device, then it has no reason to exist. And because of all that, it’s a very successful device, so Apple is not going to commit suicide and put macOS on it.
I think the OP ought to use Numbers on the Mac, then on the iPad and notice what a delight the different approach on the iPad is.

It's a different form factor, a different way of input. The OP is a professional user. His brain is conditioned/trained to a desktop environment. The iPad however aims to be a natural device. Why do you think you swipe something away? Because that's the way a non-thinking person would swipe everything away from the table in anger. You still do this with a mosquito, don't you?
 
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