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iPhone 15's USB-C Port: 4.5W Charging for Accessories, USB 3.2 Gen 2 for Pro Models, and More
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No different than it is on earlier phones. If it's lower power, it's just going to take longer to charge but otherwise should be fine.
I wasn’t arguing that the iPhone should have had TB3. The comment I was responding to was arguing that Apple used USB instead of TB to save cost.
My only point was I don’t think there is a cost difference for Apple to use USB over TB.
My 14 Pro does. In the car, with AC on, in the shade, maps and music or something playing, it will say something along the lines of "charging paused until phone returns to normal temperature."
it doesn't shut down though. And it never was an issue for usage. 😀
Almost nobody needs an iPhone 15 Pro either...just saying…
Right but they've also not increased the price of the phone for quite a few years despite there being pretty strong inflation at the moment. I'm fine with this, I bet 99%+ of people only ever use the cable to charge their phone and not for data so it's the right choice to cut items like this as one of the steps to help keep the price down for buyers.
I’m not even referring to the speed of data transfer here. I’m referring to the act of data transfer itself. It seems to have this connotation, at least here on MacRumors, as some kind of computer whiz feature. Cue the techno music and green binary flashing all over the screen everytime someone plugs their iPhone into a computer
Are you using wireless charging? My iPhone 14 Pro Max is fine doing that with a cable, if I use wireless charging in my car it'll get hot but it's because the wireless coils don't align nicely. Similar in the wife's Tesla, if you want to wirelessly charge and not heat the phone up massively you need to put it on the charger upside down.
I believe the next frontiers of practical improvements for the iPhone will be charging, and cooling.
Now that Qi2 has 15w charging as an industry standard, Apple will probably have their own proprietary MagSafe chargers capable of doing 30w wireless charging, on the iPhone 16 Pro and all that come after.
Wired fast charging should get a bump to at least 60w
A future version of MagSafe also needs to implement some form of reliable data transfer - with speeds equivalent to the 15 Pro’s 10gbps - if they ever truly intend to make a “portless” iPhone that Pros will actually want to use.
And it should not be above Apple’s world class designers and engineers to come up with a unique passive cooling system. Maybe some sort of vapor chamber or who knows what.
I’m thinking Apple decided a full blown TB controller either used too much power at idle, took too much space on the A17 die or was overkill for the iPhone since it would really have limited commercial application at this point given iOS 17’s (self)limited use cases.
I’m not sure if that statement is true anymore. The vast majority of people use cloud based services or Airdrop to transfer files from or to their iPhone, and wired data transfer is particularly useful to very specific use cases.
Is that greedy from Apple? Yes, but the included cable is still capable of USB 2 which is the same as Lightning, and if that means that Apple is keeping the price the same rather than increasing it of 50$ across the board, I think it’s a good compromise
Whilst I know that Apple is a business and hence needs to make money selling pro upgrades, cords, and dongles…
It still really seems bizarre to me that being so anti-consumer as to put USB-2 cables in the box with a USB-3 device was something that seemed like a sound business decision.
I mean, I wouldn’t be surprised if numerous governments decided that was false advertising and demanded a recall.
It also just completely invalidates a green policy they are a pains to advertise with 15 minute videos in a keynote.
Meanwhile they are tarnishing their brand all over tech enthusiast circles.
Over some chump change to their bottom line??
It still really seems bizarre to me that being so anti-consumer as to put USB-2 cables in the box with a USB-3 device was something that seemed like a sound business decision.
I mean, I wouldn’t be surprised if numerous governments decided that was false advertising and demanded a recall.
It also just completely invalidates a green policy they are a pains to advertise with 15 minute videos in a keynote.
Meanwhile they are tarnishing their brand all over tech enthusiast circles.
Over some chump change to their bottom line??
How about the wasted cost for the 95%+ folks who don't need it. Those few who need the speed probably can afford to get the cable they need. In fact, they probably already have a high-speed cable. Apple doesn't have to supply everything.
It would actually be more bizarre if they did include such a cable. I can’t think of any non-accessory that includes such a cable, in the box.
Also, thanks for getting our ‘false advertising and recall’ bingo card spot filled in. Just have a ‘class action lawsuit’ spot left.
There’s nothing odd about USB-C cables running at USB 2.0 speeds. It’s part of the spec. Buy a $600 Focusrite Scarlet 18i20 USB interface and you’re getting USB 2.0 over USB-C. Nothing odd or unique about this at all.
Conversely, had Apple packed in a USB 3.2 10Gbps cable on the Pro model, this thread would be littered with posts from people claiming they didn’t need that cable and want Apple to lower the cost of the iPhone so they’re not buying something they're never going to need or use. Apple can’t win these sorts of battles and shouldn’t even want to or try to at this point. The complaining here is endless and is almost certain as death and taxes.
That is not true - there were quite significant price hikes in many countries in recent years, because Apple decides to choose Dollar exchange rate very freely. One could argue that people in other countries pay more so you in the USA could pay the same.
And this is based on what?
say you charge your phone with MagSafe, assume 80% efficiency, then you use your phone to charge the AW at 80%, so .8 x .8 = .64 --> 64% efficiency to charge your AW vs 80% thru a wall charger, that is inefficient.
I'm sorry but there is no data to back up the presumption that Apple limited the iPhone 15 Pro to 4K display support due to thermal management.
On the overwhelmingly number of users on this forum that said there was no point to transition to USB-C because they couldn't remember the last time they did a data transfer over a cable
Yes. Because of the thought of Apple missing out on 5$ profit on each phone sold is just impossible
This whole thread highlights how insulated the Apple user base was from the nightmare of the evolving USB 3 spec. Apple pioneered USB use with the iMac. They helped mainstream the standard with USB 2 and 3.0. When the USB-C port was introduced Apple had a huge role in designing and introducing it, but they held back on putting it everywhere, namely reserving it for host computers (Macs). As USB 3 forked into separate data and cabling/port standards, Apple stuck with Lightning over USB 2 for peripherals and promoted ThunderBolt, which they built with Intel as a premium feature and provided port compatibility with USB-C. That extended to the M2 Macs that have TB4/USB4 support, which are both bridges to TB5/USB4 v2.
USB3 is after many years a mature spec with no further revisions. Apple finally put it on an iPhone well after the dust settled. As stodgy as that sounds I agree with it. Apple mostly avoided the last near-decade of USB confusion only for it to come back to a niche of prospective iPhone 15 buyers. If people care that much about data speed over a cable, wait for the first USB 4 phone or for Apple to drop an M chip in an iPhone, which should include TB. The latter isn’t likely because there’s little business justification for it. USB 4 is mostly a wrapper for USB 3.2, and you don’t see many USB 4 products in the market. USB 4v2 was only recently introduced, so the standards cycle continues. It takes time. Apple’s moves regarding USB show that it will err on the side of broad compatibility over everything else, skipping over the intermediate steps.
USB3 is after many years a mature spec with no further revisions. Apple finally put it on an iPhone well after the dust settled. As stodgy as that sounds I agree with it. Apple mostly avoided the last near-decade of USB confusion only for it to come back to a niche of prospective iPhone 15 buyers. If people care that much about data speed over a cable, wait for the first USB 4 phone or for Apple to drop an M chip in an iPhone, which should include TB. The latter isn’t likely because there’s little business justification for it. USB 4 is mostly a wrapper for USB 3.2, and you don’t see many USB 4 products in the market. USB 4v2 was only recently introduced, so the standards cycle continues. It takes time. Apple’s moves regarding USB show that it will err on the side of broad compatibility over everything else, skipping over the intermediate steps.
I am a big advocate of switching to USB-C but the standard is a mess.
With Lightning if you bought a certified cable it would charge at full speed and albeit it would only do USB 2.0 that was it.
With USB-C there's like 5 different standards, different charging speeds, different transfer speeds. It's a mess.
With Lightning if you bought a certified cable it would charge at full speed and albeit it would only do USB 2.0 that was it.
With USB-C there's like 5 different standards, different charging speeds, different transfer speeds. It's a mess.