iPhone 15's USB-C Port: 4.5W Charging for Accessories, USB 3.2 Gen 2 for Pro Models, and More

[BeatCrazy]

This comment is moronic and always has been. No one simply stops supporting all the companies they dont like. If they say they do they are lying. Ive said a million times, I love Apple's products but I despise the company, especially its senior leadership.

Then you’re literally part of the problem.

 

[hans1972]

I can’t believe Apple is not including a USB 3 cable with the Pro phones. There really is no excuse to pinch pennies like that on a premium device.

Yes, it is. Apple will save money and those few people who'll need it will already have such cables or be able to purchase one.

 

[dukebound85]

professional people who need high transfer speeds, already knows that USB cables has different capabilities.

Only technical people who doesn't use the iPhone Pro for income will complain since they believe they are entitled to get the best of everything.

what an absurd argument

Why should apple even include the actual phone with that mindset?

 

[darngooddesign]

what an absurd argument

Why should apple even include the actual phone with that mindset?

Apple does not include a phone when you buy the faster cable.

 

[btrach144]

Apple doesn’t sell a USB A to USB C cable. Weird

 

[hans1972]

It seems they did not understand the purpose of the EU law. The idea was that you need less cables and chargers. So what Apple did is even worse than not supplying a cable at all.

The purpose of the EU directive was to reduce e-waste from chargers. It was always about e-waste and never about standardising on a port or having one universal cable.

 

[citivolus]

Have you tried recording 4k video on your phone with WiFi and Bluetooth on for 60-90min or played a triple a game for the same duration? When you push your iPhone to the max it gets hot.

Yes but that’s not what I am talking about. I am referring to displaying the iPhone’s screen on an external monitor.

 

[hans1972]

What Apple has done is oddly unique - they've intentionally designed a USB-C cable that is limited to 2.0 speeds, despite the fact that pretty much any other USB-C cable in the world has at least 3.0 speeds.

You're confusing standards.

Apple provides a USB 2.0 cable with USB-C ports.

USB-A, USB-B and now USB-C defines the port, not the transfer speed.

 

[hans1972]

And this article does not even mention actual speeds for the $799+ regular plain ol' iPhone 15 and 15 Plus.
Those cast-off children of the PROs, are outfitted with a USB-C shaped connector port, but wired so that it will only EVER transfer data at the year 2000 USB 2.0 specification. \
Look it up yourself on the Apple Spec pages. Finally they come clean (you know... that the fabulous Lightning connector of iPhone 14 and all prior was also USB 2.0 speed rated as well. For-ev-er.

Those commentators who are truly apple fanboy apologists try to make light of it by saying just go and buy a better cable -- well one should not have to do so, and two, that only works if you buy the iPhone 15 Pro. No cable no matter how expensive will not make an iPhone 15 or 15 Plus transfer data faster than USB 2.0. E-v-e-r.

https://www.apple.com/iphone-15/specs/

https://www.apple.com/iphone-15-pro/specs/

And that 480 Mbits/sec -- that is a MAXIMUM throughput in IDEAL LAB conditions. Not what you will find in everyday real life home and office.
Sigh.
Apple you really show your true greed colors here.

USB-C doesn't define any data transfer speeds. Those are defined in other standards like USB 2.0.

No one will be suprised to find USB 2.0 speeds with USB-C ports if they know the USB standards.

 

[fwmireault]

It is apple selling and advertising usb 3.2 type c speeds as a selling point but then including a non performing cable. It is misleading to the consumer and arguably a poor practice

People who really need that most likely already own such cable. If you are like me and you bought an external SSD, this SSD probably comes with a higher bandwidth USB-C cable anyway. I don’t know why you say it’s misleading, there are tons of features in smartphones and electronics in general that require additional hardware. Apple is upfront that the cable in the box is not USB 3.2, so there is no attempt to mislead anyone

 

[mrochester]

No. It is apple selling and advertising usb 3.2 type c speeds as a selling point but then including a non performing cable. It is misleading to the consumer and arguably a poor practice. Not how you build good will

We know what it is, we are talking about the why.

 

[mrochester]

what an absurd argument

Why should apple even include the actual phone with that mindset?

You are buying a phone when you are buying an iPhone 15 pro, not the accessories.

 

[hans1972]

what an absurd argument

Why should apple even include the actual phone with that mindset?

Because you're buying a phone and thus are expecting a phone to be included.

Buying a phone doesn't infer that a cable or a specific kind of cable has to be included.

 

[mrochester]

Because you're buying a phone and thus are expecting a phone to be included.

Buying a phone doesn't infer that a cable or a specific kind of cable has to be included.

My advice is to get used to no phone coming with a cable, unless it is needed for some sort of proprietary charging system.

 

[hans1972]

stop apologizing for apple. This is a 1.1-1.7k device. It should be included

That's your expectation. I don't even expect the cable to be included.

 

[Aurizen]

How fast is charging on the 15 pro max on usb-c?

 

[mrochester]

How fast is charging on the 15 pro max on usb-c?

No ones knows for sure but expect it to be the same as the 14 pro max.

What’s really surprising to me is the number of people who think the shape of the port determines what data rate or charging speed the device supports.

 

[JeMeCasse]

They're money grabbing BLEEPS and always will be.

 

[mrochester]

They're money grabbing BLEEPS and always will be.

Yep, Apple is a business.

 

[mlayer]

Anti-Trust and Anti-Consumer are quite different. The EU's action was not made using anti-trust constructs.

The portless comment is interesting, because that may actually involve use of anti-trust legislation (which are similar but also very different in some ways in the US vs EU), because the amount (and ease) of walled gardening possible in wireless protocols is quite different (having to add a hardware device, certification program, supply chain, etc is a major impediment to creating a proprietary system like MFI/Lightning, but a proprietary wireless protocol [or a crippled one] is as simple as a few bits or walling off of access to a PKI system).

Why do you need to retain Lightning cables if you have no Lightning devices? You certainly can elect to, and I just packaged up over 100 Lightning cables/dongles/devices for friends not upgrading to come get, but bringing in "I have to do this for my family" is not actually about the tech or the market, it's your choice with family, I mean, why do you have to be the family cable stash.provider? That's a red herring that is not at all related to the reality.

For the same reason you bundle over 100 Lightning cables for friends. We are the go-to family tech support. Being prepared is a choice. So is ignoring a potential problem. Over the years I lessened my travel electronics pile thanks to advances in technology like USB-C. The others in my family are still going to have legacy iPhones for at least the next year or two. It really isn't a big deal to consider their needs.

The wireless issue has more complications than protocols or standards. In practical use batteries seem to have shorter lifespans with prolonged MagSafe or Qi use. A poorly designed or misaligned Qi charger may have killed my iPhone 12 mini in the spring. Whatever the case, low-and-slow wired charging seems to be the most reliable option if not the most convenient. I can live with that. I still have my MagSafe battery I can use in a pinch - that needs to be charged via Lightning. Same with my Magic Keyboard 2. I'm not getting replacements for those anytime soon as they are still useful and have value. I'm making a transition, not taking some deep philosophical stand.

 

[HiRez]

professional people who need high transfer speeds, already knows that USB cables has different capabilities.

Only technical people who doesn't use the iPhone Pro for income will complain since they believe they are entitled to get the best of everything.

The point isn’t that they don’t know there’s different cable types, it’s that it should be a fair assumption that a cable provided with a premium piece of gear would be appropriate to take full advantage of its native abilities. What does the difference cost Apple? $1?

 

[bmustaf]

For the same reason you bundle over 100 Lightning cables for friends. We are the go-to family tech support. Being prepared is a choice. So is ignoring a potential problem. Over the years I lessened my travel electronics pile thanks to advances in technology like USB-C. The others in my family are still going to have legacy iPhones for at least the next year or two. It really isn't a big deal to consider their needs.

The wireless issue has more complications than protocols or standards. In practical use batteries seem to have shorter lifespans with prolonged MagSafe or Qi use. A poorly designed or misaligned Qi charger may have killed my iPhone 12 mini in the spring. Whatever the case, low-and-slow wired charging seems to be the most reliable option if not the most convenient. I can live with that. I still have my MagSafe battery I can use in a pinch - that needs to be charged via Lightning. Same with my Magic Keyboard 2. I'm not getting replacements for those anytime soon as they are still useful and have value. I'm making a transition, not taking some deep philosophical stand.

And that's great: but carrying extra cables with you is more related to that (entirely related, actually) and not any implicit issue with the switch to USB-C.

Come Friday, I will travel with only three cables: a MagSafe wireless charger, a MagSafe 3 for 140W to my MBP and a USB-C 3.2 EPR-capable cable to charge an Anker 737 PD 3.1 Power Bank or charge my iPhone from my MBP, Power Bank, or a PD 3.1 wall wart. I will let my family fend for themselves, or they can use the wireless charger, after all, too.

 

[mrochester]

The point isn’t that they don’t know there’s different cable types, it’s that it should be a fair assumption that a cable provided with a premium piece of gear would be appropriate to take full advantage of its native abilities. What does the difference cost Apple? $1?

Don’t make that assumption as no other manufacturer, some selling even more premium devices, also don’t supply such cables.

The best assumption to make going forward is that you’ll get no cable.

 

[dumastudetto]

Almost nobody needs an iPhone 15 Pro either...just saying…

The iPhone 15 Pro Max is certainly the better choice for 99% of people.

 

[TigerNike23]

Well, most people on here whined and complained about Lightning, and how the EU was going to force Apple’s hand. Apple complied to the letter of the law, and now you want more.

There’s no satisfaction on these forums.

Let’s not kid ourselves. Everyone on here who complained about Lightning likely already has a USB-C cable.